God knows what will happen in the future, correct?

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Bahman said:
The problem is where does the omniscience come from?
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I don’t know. Does it matter?
You can strive on timeless picture to argue that God sees the future events in his eternal now but we are faced with two problems that you constantly ignore: 1) How the act creation can be performed in timeless pictures?,
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This was not ignored. You have not explained why God needs time to create.
  1. How God could knows our decisions assuming that he present in all times?
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That one of His many abilities.
The second question is valid since being present to future just resolve half of the problem about God’s knowledge. The part which is unresolved is that how God could have access to our minds at the moment we make decision?
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How is this unresolved? God is omniscient.
 
Bahman said:
I didn’t say that God needs to create. Please reread again. “God is” is not a good definition. I can also say that “I am”. This is universal property any being share in common.
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God IS.

God is Being.

Self - subsisting Being.

Created beings are all contingent.

Contingent on God in fact.

More of course can be said of God that is also true. God is Love. God is Truth. God is Logos. etc…

All that is good, true and beautiful comes from God…

and all that is - comes from God who IS.
 
Bahman said:
I don’t think so. I was no able to only experience. That is my world view. But lets assume yes for sake of argument.
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At the time were you not, did something exist? If you admit an existence outside yourself, then you can hardly use the word “also”, as if your own “I am” takes in all of existence.

You are not “also” with all of existence, by the definition of your own “I am”, which is limited in existence.

So, you have not defined yourself truthfully, how can you begin to find and define that which you are not?

Can you give an answer to these questions without changing the subject?
 
davidv said:
I don’t know. Does it matter?
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Sure it matter. We have to question anything that we believe otherwise people could believe in whatever. Does that make sense?
davidv said:
This was not ignored. You have not explained why God needs time to create.
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Well. We have to agree on only one fact that any action requires a before and a after. In simple word any action deals with a change. Hence we need the very concept of time to perform any action including creation. God is in state of timeless though hence time must be created first which is paradoxical.
davidv said:
That one of His many abilities.
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So God can read people minds!? I thought that mind is something personal no-one has access to it.
davidv said:
How is this unresolved? God is omniscient.
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Please read two comments before.
 
clem456 said:
At the time were you not, did something exist? If you admit an existence outside yourself, then you can hardly use the word “also”, as if your own “I am” takes in all of existence.

You are not “also” with all of existence, by the definition of your own “I am”, which is limited in existence.

So, you have not defined yourself truthfully, how can you begin to find and define that which you are not?

Can you give an answer to these questions without changing the subject?
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According to my world view I just didn’t experienced. According to your point view I didn’t exist. According to my world view I just needed to attached to reality. According to your view I need a creator. According to my world view there is no creator. According to your point of view there. My world view is anomaly free. Your point view is not.
 
eddie_too said:
there is no “before” God created. God is the eternal Creator.
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There is a before before the act of creation according to genesis. There was only God. And there was God and creation after the act. Moreover creation has to be eternal once you accept there is no before before the act of creation. This is however problematic since a eternal universe does not need any creator so the concept of God does not grant any advantage.
 
Bahman said:
So God can read people minds!? I thought that mind is something personal no-one has access to it.
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Yes God knows all. Yes God knows our thoughts.

You “thought wrong” (and God knows that :))

As I noted:
Bookcat said:
  1. God knows all that is created. We cannot even make a decision without God. Not one thought - not one breath - not one step. Our minds exist only by God - every atom -every nerve cell exists and is known fully by God. Every atom and our soul is all created - and held in existence by God. I can do nothing without God. And God knows all that I think or do. Coming for freshly in freedom.* God does not know as if God were just watching*.
God does not know as we know. God knows as God.*

If you continue to try to think of God as if God were not God but some creature - you will keep asking the same questions.
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rstrats said:
Bookcat,

re: “Creation has a beginning…”

Creation of what?
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Creation means all that is created…there was a beginning of such.

Some of creation was created earlier…and some later…and later…
 
Bookcat,

Since you somehow seem to know that there was a first act of creating something, you must know what that something was and when it was created in order for you to be able to say that.
 
rstrats said:
Bookcat,

Since you somehow seem to know that there was a first act of creating something, you must know what that something was and when it was created in order for you to be able to say that.
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I know from Revelation, Theology, reason…

As to when?

When God created…

We are not given the exact information about such though.

What exactly was first created?

No I do not know such either.

Why would I?

I am not God. I was not yet created.

God does not give us that sort of scientific detail.
 
Bookcat said:
I know from Revelation, Theology, reason . . . God does not give us that sort of scientific detail.
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👍 Why would He?

That is our job - to “name the animals” and take care of His garden.
We have these intellectual capacities, gifts, reflections of His glory to enable us to participate in who He is - Love.

What do we do?
We use these gifts for ourselves.
It is quite disgusting actually.
Consider a Caribbean cruise, with its comfort and plenty.
What could be a mere hundred kilometers in physical distance
is in reality the abyss of Lazarus and the rich man,
created by human thought and will,
a seemingly unspannable chasm between what is on the ship and places like Haiti.

God here and now confronts me with my duty to love.
Does God here and now know my final outcome? Most assuredly.
It is my choice what I do, and He is with me to help me choose correctly.
It is always my choice.
 
Aloysium,

re: “Does God here and now know my final outcome? Most assuredly.”

Did He know your final outcome before He created you?
 
rstrats said:
. . . Did He know your final outcome before He created you?
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This is not a rational question from my perspective. The tense “did” indicates a view that sees God as existing in time but apart from His creation. He creates time, there can be no before-it-is-created.

We are talking about a Being who stands in relation to me as I stand in relation to what I am writing.
What I create, has no life in itself, or capacity for understanding. However, we do, which reflects His glory.
God’s fullness encompasses all time and all space, and as its Creator, He is greater.

God “knows” my final outcome as far as beings in time are concerned.
He knows this as my Father who is with me here and now - always was and always will be.

All this wonder emerges as a manifestation of His infinite compassion, whose depth, we cannot fathom.
God does not create in time. From out of time, we are brought into being, at our beginning and in each moment.

It is these moments that constitute our encounter with God.
If this is not enough, it is not enough.
If you do not know Him, it is time to start. If not now, when?
 
Bahman said:
It is called reproduction which is the process at which consciousness is attached to its sit, body.
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You spoke of being attached to reality. Not to a body.

So what I noted stands.

Secondly I would note that such is not something that we hold to be true but rather something we would say is contrary to reality.

and thirdly this is though off topic really as much of this later thread is.
 
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