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in Islam, “God” is known as The Kind, and The Gentle, but never known as the angry, or the vengeful. Muslims don’t use these as names for God, among all the names God has in the Qur’an. Why?

And since you know you’re not a scholarly expert, you might not be able to answer the question, but think about it–when is God ever called angry or vengeful in the Qur’an? While instead He is called Merciful, Forgiving, Kind, Gentle, Loving, etc.
Well, North Korean Leader the late Kim Il-sung’s titles ( in North Korea ) include :

the Great Hero of Mankind
the Great Leader
the Sun of Korean people
the Undefeatable Steel Commander
Genius for Theory and Practice of Management
Cresset of the Union
Legendary Hero Sun of the Nation
Father Marshall
etc.

Fact, North Koreans experienced a famine that killed an estimated one million people, or about 5 percent of the population.
hundreds of thousands of others fled to China to find food for themselves and their families and many who survived suffered long-lasting or permanent damage to their health.
Also, Per capita income in North Korea is one of the lowest in the world.
So, title claims doesn’t really mean anything without proof, does it?

And yes, the God of Islam is both angry and vengeful.
A lot ( infact, too many ) of the verses are basicly Allah angry and cursing at someone or something.
There’s also 160+ verses mentions or mandates military expedition, fighting or slaying ( not to mention those about distributing war spoils ).
There’s even dozens of megalomaniac verses in the Quran like : Disobey Muhammad, burn in hell. Please Allah & Muhammad. Allah gives Muhammad Lordship and Power over whomever He wills. Muhammad may have whomever he desire; there is no blame. Etc.
 
I know that Allah is simply the Arabic word for God and that it is used by Arabic-speaking Christians. But why is it that Muslims use the word “Allah” for God even when they are speaking English?
YOU ARE WRONG.

The regular arabic noun for the word god is ILAH. The usage of allah to mean the literal meaning of god has more to do with habits & ignorance.

The word allah is actually a NAME.

Surah Al Asraa’ (17), Aayah 110: Say: “Call him Allah, or call him Rahman; by whatever names ye call him (it is well).

Remember, the muslims always say la ilaha ill allah, which means there is ‘no god but allah’. If the word allah means god then that very statement should be translated as ‘there is no god but god’. But we all know that sounds dumb, so muslims’ excuse for that is, allah means ‘the god’.

Basically these are all excuses. allah is the name of the islamic deity which the muslims are desperately trying to elevate to god-status.

God’s name is Yahweh according to the Jews. So, if muslims claim to worship that same God they must also call upon Yahweh. Not another name.

Exodus 3:15 God also said to Moses, "Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

The islamic deity allah has been found to be none other than Hubal Baal. See this: biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

REMEMBER, IF YOU CALL ALLAH AS GOD, YOU ARE EQUATING AN IDOL TO GOD. THAT IS OF COURSE APOSTASY.

More on the arabic language;
arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

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YOU ARE WRONG.

The regular arabic noun for the word god is ILAH. The usage of allah to mean the literal meaning of god has more to do with habits & ignorance.

The word allah is actually a NAME.

Surah Al Asraa’ (17), Aayah 110: Say: “Call him Allah, or call him Rahman; by whatever names ye call him (it is well).

Remember, the muslims always say la ilaha ill allah, which means there is ‘no god but allah’. If the word allah means god then that very statement should be translated as ‘there is no god but god’. But we all know that sounds dumb, so muslims’ excuse for that is, allah means ‘the god’.

Basically these are all excuses. allah is the name of the islamic deity which the muslims are desperately trying to elevate to god-status.

God’s name is Yahweh according to the Jews. So, if muslims claim to worship that same God they must also call upon Yahweh. Not another name.

Exodus 3:15 God also said to Moses, "Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

The islamic deity allah has been found to be none other than Hubal Baal. See this: biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

REMEMBER, IF YOU CALL ALLAH AS GOD, YOU ARE EQUATING AN IDOL TO GOD. THAT IS OF COURSE APOSTASY.

More on the arabic language;
arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

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What do you think of the following argument:

If you call “Jesus” “God,” then you are equating a human to God. Consider the implications.

Laa ilaaha illa Allaah.

The moon god theory, should you wish to objectively investigate it, has been covered indepth here.
 
I appreciate your passion on this subject, Scientiphic, but wasn’t “Allah” in use among the Arabic-speaking Christians prior to the invention of Islam? I don’t think it is strange for a Christian to use it if Arabic is their native language, or even if it isn’t but they know the language (I am currently learning Arabic and they have taught us a few common phrases with “Allah”; I do not feel strange or bad using them), as long as they are not praying the Muslim prayers or anything like that.

Also, Catholics were recently forbidden to vocalize the tetragrammaton (YHWH), but I would hope that we are still following the God of the Bible who was also called by that name! A rose by any other name… 🙂
 
What do you think of the following argument:

If you call “Jesus” “God,” then you are equating a human to God. Consider the implications.

Laa ilaaha illa Allaah.

The moon god theory, should you wish to objectively investigate it, has been covered indepth here.
You’re skipping the line here and attempting to compare apples to pineapples. Yes, we call Jesus, God…but Jesus is not the n-a-m-e of God. Neither does it literally mean god. The name of God as admitted by God Himself in the book of Deuteronomy is Yahweh. And God wants this name to be used for ALL generations.

The name allah does not literally mean god either. It is a name of something that needs first to be qualified & checked (for which I won’t argue with you here cos its too lengthy).

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I appreciate your passion on this subject, Scientiphic, but wasn’t “Allah” in use among the Arabic-speaking Christians prior to the invention of Islam? I don’t think it is strange for a Christian to use it if Arabic is their native language, or even if it isn’t but they know the language (I am currently learning Arabic and they have taught us a few common phrases with “Allah”; I do not feel strange or bad using them), as long as they are not praying the Muslim prayers or anything like that.

Also, Catholics were recently forbidden to vocalize the tetragrammaton (YHWH), but I would hope that we are still following the God of the Bible who was also called by that name! A rose by any other name… 🙂
dzheremi, that’s why I left that link there. Check it out:

arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

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What do you think of the following argument:

If you call “Jesus” “God,” then you are equating a human to God. Consider the implications.

Laa ilaaha illa Allaah.

The moon god theory, should you wish to objectively investigate it, has been covered indepth here.
This is a very flawed argument because we do not equate a human to God when we say Jesus is God. Islam cannot criticise the Christian docrtine of Jesus’ divinity without foolishly denying the Incarnation of the Logos. This is one of the main differences between Islam and Christianity:

Islam mistakenly supposes that Christians believe a man became God whereas Christians actually believe that God became a man.

Besides, the Koran claims that Christians did not say Jesus is God or Jesus is Allah, but that ALLAH is the Messiah (Surah 5:72).

There are lots of things you must learn from your new scripture. 😉
 
dzheremi, that’s why I left that link there. Check it out:

arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

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I read the link. It is interesting, but doesn’t really deal with what I was getting at: Doesn’t the use of the word “Allah” pre-date Islam? That’s what I have always been told by linguists that I know (Arab and non-Arab alike).

It seems likely that this is another one of those things that Muhammad incorporated into his religion to make it more platable to those religious communities he would go on to destroy. If the pagans had “Allah” as their creator god (the highest among many, I suppose), or the Christians had “Allah” as their term for God (separate from Yesua, Sister Amy! :p), then Islam took these communities’ concept of “Allah” and refashioned it into something tailored for Islam, just like when Muslims are told that Jesus was a Muslim, and that He spoke approvingly of Muhammad’s arrival after Him…maybe it worked on some sixth century Christians just like it has worked on Sister Amy, American Revert, and all the other converts here…who knows. If not, there is/was always the sword once Islam had enough willing warriors. The Muslims gain either way, because Islam’s Allah apparently does not care about the circumstances under which he gains new followers.
 
Interesting factoid:

The name of Muhammad’s father was Abd-Allaah. (I.e., the slave of Allah.)

And at that time, the Arabs knew Allaah to be God, to be Lord, to be their Creator–but that just didn’t stop them from worshipping other “gods” and “godesses” and “idols” and what have you.

But the link I quoted above sufficiently debunks the moon god theory–it really should no longer resurface among intelligent conversation.

More to the point, if Muslims call on “Allaah” and it is not God, then when Christians similarly call on “Allaah” they can’t be calling on God either. Or even Jews.

But yet, Jews, Christians, and Muslims call upon the name “Allaah.” It just so happens that Muslims do it even if they aren’t Arabs. 🤷
 
More to the point, if Muslims call on “Allaah” and it is not God, then when Christians similarly call on “Allaah” they can’t be calling on God either. Or even Jews.
While I am of the opinion that this “Allah v. another name for God” debate is unnecessary, I do not think that the above is true. Signifiers vary by community agreement - what they signify does not. That is a bedrock principle in Linguistics. So Muhammad’s redefinition of “Allah” to suit his vision of who or what God is does not in fact change the character of the signified (God, YHWH, Egziabher…whatever you call your deity).

It is better to say that for any Arabic-speaker, “Allah” is God, and then the details of what God is varies by religious community. Allah still remains God, though. It has come to signify the Islamic concept of God only because Islam has so completely dominated the people who use that word as part of their native language to signify that concept/idea, sort of like how when you say “Catholic” most people think of Roman Catholic, not Chaldean or Ruthenian, because RC is the largest of the Catholic churches.
But yet, Jews, Christians, and Muslims call upon the name “Allaah.” It just so happens that Muslims do it even if they aren’t Arabs.🤷
No need to shrug as though it is incidental; Arabic is the language of Islam because Muhammad was an Arab, and you seek to imitate him in all ways. Had Muhammad been a Mongolian, you’d have a whole new set of words to debate over. 🙂
 
While I am of the opinion that this “Allah v. another name for God” debate is unnecessary, I do not think that the above is true. Signifiers vary by community agreement - what they signify does not. That is a bedrock principle in Linguistics. So Muhammad’s redefinition of “Allah” to suit his vision of who or what God is does not in fact change the character of the signified (God, YHWH, Egziabher…whatever you call your deity).
Actually, when I examine the argument put forth by Scientiphic, I find that he is saying that EXACTLY because Muslims use the name “Allaah” they are doing idol worship or worshiping some pagan god or whatever. He objects to the term “Allaah” on what are, in my opinion, erroneous grounds. But only for Muslims does he make this distinction, as if the term is specific to Islam.
It is better to say that for any Arabic-speaker, “Allah” is God, and then the details of what God is varies by religious community. Allah still remains God, though. It has come to signify the Islamic concept of God only because Islam has so completely dominated the people who use that word as part of their native language to signify that concept/idea, sort of like how when you say “Catholic” most people think of Roman Catholic, not Chaldean or Ruthenian, because RC is the largest of the Catholic churches.
The Qur’an is in Arabic, and if you pick it up to read the very first words, you’ll see why the name “Allah” has spread. It’s not because Islam dominates people (a harsh thing to say if you ask me.) Anyway, the first two words…

baa–seen–meem alif–laam–laam(shaddah)–haa 🙂

You can read Arabic, right?
No need to shrug as though it is incidental; Arabic is the language of Islam because Muhammad was an Arab, and you seek to imitate him in all ways. Had Muhammad been a Mongolian, you’d have a whole new set of words to debate over. 🙂
Arabic is the language of Islam not because Muhammad was an Arab, but because the Qur’an was revealed in Arabic.

I will ask you to do just a little bit of research, or at least thought, on the following question:

When Muslims want to learn Arabic–why do they want to learn it?

Do they want to learn Arabic because (a) Muhamamd spoke Arabic?

Or do they want to learn Arabic because (b) the Qur’an is in Arabic and they wish to understand the Qur’an?

You might find this article helpful: NOW is the time to learn Arabic!
 
Actually, when I examine the argument put forth by Scientiphic, I find that he is saying that EXACTLY because Muslims use the name “Allaah” they are doing idol worship or worshiping some pagan god or whatever. He objects to the term “Allaah” on what are, in my opinion, erroneous grounds. But only for Muslims does he make this distinction, as if the term is specific to Islam.
I know. I am agreeing with you that he is wrong, just not for the reason you said he is in the post I replied to.
The Qur’an is in Arabic, and if you pick it up to read the very first words, you’ll see why the name “Allah” has spread. It’s not because Islam dominates people (a harsh thing to say if you ask me.) Anyway, the first two words…
Islam does dominate the Arab lands, though. It is the dominant religion of the Arabs…what is the problem with that? (Well…the problem with admitting that, I mean. :D)
baa–seen–meem alif–laam–laam(shaddah)–haa 🙂
You can read Arabic, right?
I am getting there, insha’Allah.

I have always found this disputed Hadith fascinating since I read it a few years ago (now I will test YOUR Arabic skills, I guess):

“'Ahibbu al’araba lithalathin: li’ani 'arabiyyun, wa al-qur’anu arabiyyun, wa kalamu 'ahli al-jinnati 'arabiyyun.” (“Love the Arabs for three reasons: because I am an Arab, because the Qur’an is in Arabic, and because the inhabitants of Paradise speak Arabic.”)

I’m definitely NOT saying that Muhammad actually said that (it’s disputed for a reason, of course), but the idea that Arabic is the sacred language comes with Islam, not before it, so whether or not you see Islam as a tool of Arab supremacists or not (I personally do, though it doesn’t have to be), you can’t deny the fact that majority of the world’s Muslims are following a book written in a language that is not their own, reciting prayers in a language that is not their own, and in many cases adopting customs that are not their own, all in an effort to be better Muslims. Is it permissable, preferable, or not? That should be up to the individual. Rastafarians claim that Amharic is the sacred language because that is what “god” (Haile Selassie) spoke, and I give their idea just about as much creedence as I do the idea that Arabic is sacred for ANY reason.
Arabic is the language of Islam not because Muhammad was an Arab, but because the Qur’an was revealed in Arabic.
I would say you have it backwards: The Qur’an was revealed in Arabic because Muhammad was an Arab. What good would a reveleation that its own carrier could not understand be to anyone? So, yes, it still comes down to Muhammad’s Arab identity. I don’t mean that in a derogatory way. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek because those were the languages of the people who wrote it down (or at least the most widely understood languages of the area from which they came). There’s no problem with that.
I will ask you to do just a little bit of research, or at least thought, on the following question:
When Muslims want to learn Arabic–why do they want to learn it?
How should I know? Ask one of them.
Do they want to learn Arabic because (a) Muhamamd spoke Arabic?
Or do they want to learn Arabic because (b) the Qur’an is in Arabic and they wish to understand the Qur’an?
It could be both, or a combination of both or one and other factors. The Arabs in my Arabic class (not necessarily Muslims; I don’t inquire) want to learn it for cultural reasons and possibly religious reasons, I want to learn it for linguistic reasons, others want to learn it for other reasons. We all agree that it is inherently worth learning, no matter what the reason. What is your point?
You might find this article helpful: NOW is the time to learn Arabic!
I’m already learning it. I don’t need any Islamic reason to do so. Who cares what the Quran says? Muslims, e.g. not me.
 
Islam does dominate the Arab lands, though. It is the dominant religion of the Arabs…what is the problem with that? (Well…the problem with admitting that, I mean. :D)
Because Arabs are less than 20% of Muslims. (That’s right, more than 80% of all Muslims are not Arab.)
I am getting there, insha’Allah.
“Bismillaah”
… you can’t deny the fact that majority of the world’s Muslims are following a book written in a language that is not their own, reciting prayers in a language that is not their own, and in many cases adopting customs that are not their own, all in an effort to be better Muslims. Is it permissable, preferable, or not?
I’ve never heard that hadith. Not once. And it actually matters a tremendous deal whether or not a hadith is authentic. Let me take a moment to briefly explain why: there are two primary sources of Islam, of understanding Islam. There is the Qur’an, directly revealed to Muhammad, and there is the teachings of Muhammad. It would be very easy for someone to give credence to his non-Islamic opinion by simply saying that it was a teaching of Muhammad (i.e., a hadith). However, to do so undermines the authority of the actual true authentic reports. So to say something is a hadith that might not be authentic is basically saying, “this might be a lie, a fabrication, but I’m going to tell it to you anyway.” That’s how lies are spread… and that shouldn’t be done, except to confirm their deficiencies. So if a hadith is not authentic, it shouldn’t be considered authoritative.

And unless you can provide proof that the hadith you quoted is authentic, we (both of us and all readers) should assume that it is inauthentic. I really don’t mean to offend you, but this is a serious matter, or at least one that I take very seriously because of the weighty implications it has.

Now, there is a hadith which I know is authentic, it is from the farewell khutbah, where the Prophet Muhammad explicitly says that an Arab is no greater than a non-Arab, and a non-Arab is no greater than an Arab. And he also says a white man is no greater than a black man, nor is a black man greater than a white man. Except in piety, and righteous deeds. Frankly, this thoroughly authentic hadith actually refutes the assumed superiority of the Arabs.

(Of course, some Arabs like to fancy themselves as somehow superior in understanding implementing Islam, or that they are blessed or elevated by their ethnicity… but they aren’t. It’s that simple.)

So, over 80% of Muslims are not Arabs, and they follow an Arabic book. Do they do that because they just think Arabic is superior? Or do they do it because God Almighty chose Arabic to reveal the Qur’an, and they accept it as the revelation?
I would say you have it backwards: The Qur’an was revealed in Arabic because Muhammad was an Arab. What good would a reveleation that its own carrier could not understand be to anyone? So, yes, it still comes down to Muhammad’s Arab identity. I don’t mean that in a derogatory way.
And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur’an that you may warn the Mother of Cities [Makkah] and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze. (42:7)
How should I know? Ask one of them.
It could be both, or a combination of both or one and other factors.
I’m already learning it. I don’t need any Islamic reason to do so. Who cares what the Quran says? Muslims, e.g. not me.
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to insult you–please forgive me.

I am “one of them,” and I know the answer. I have never EVER heard anyone, Muslim or otherwise, advocate learning Arabic because Muhammad was an Arab. This is immense, really. Nobody says that. Nobody learns Arabic to imitate Muhammad. They really don’t.

They learn it to understand the Qur’an. The reason I quoted the article wasn’t to convince you to learn Arabic. It is an article written by a Muslim to other Muslims to encourage THEM to learn Arabic, and offer advice on how to do that. The underlying assumption is that all Muslims do want to learn Arabic for the same reason–which is to understand the Qur’an. That is the sole religious reason for learning Arabic–to understand the Qur’an. And never because of Muhammad or to imitate him.

Other people have other reasons–to talk to family, read the news. And a person who learns Arabic for those reasons, unfortunately, won’t be able to understand the Qur’an as it’s a different kind of Arabic.

But anyway, I’m telling you the answer to my question–that Muslims want to learn Arabic because they want to understand the Qur’an, and that is the sole religious motivation to learn the Arabic language.
 
There are thousands of Muslims in the world who do not understand Arabic and do not need to learn it although they practice Islam. This is because being Muslim is also a cultural issue. Speaking Arabic or understanding the Koran in its original language is not an obligation stated in the Koran.

Some non-Muslims freely choose to learn Arabic to authorise themselves in the critique of the Islamic scripture and tenets.

As a non-Greek convert to Christianity, I would love to learn Greek to read the Gospels in their original language. However, I believed in the Gospels without understanding and reading them in Greek.
 
I read the link. It is interesting, but doesn’t really deal with what I was getting at: Doesn’t the use of the word “Allah” pre-date Islam? That’s what I have always been told by linguists that I know (Arab and non-Arab alike).

It seems likely that this is another one of those things that Muhammad incorporated into his religion to make it more platable to those religious communities he would go on to destroy. If the pagans had “Allah” as their creator god (the highest among many, I suppose), or the Christians had “Allah” as their term for God (separate from Yesua, Sister Amy! :p), then Islam took these communities’ concept of “Allah” and refashioned it into something tailored for Islam, just like when Muslims are told that Jesus was a Muslim, and that He spoke approvingly of Muhammad’s arrival after Him…maybe it worked on some sixth century Christians just like it has worked on Sister Amy, American Revert, and all the other converts here…who knows. If not, there is/was always the sword once Islam had enough willing warriors. The Muslims gain either way, because Islam’s Allah apparently does not care about the circumstances under which he gains new followers.
Dzheremi, I believe the issue is simply whether the word ‘allah’ is a NAME or a NOUN.

To begin, one very glaring admission by the muslims is that the word ‘allah’ is one of 99 names of their deity. Which means the muslims themselves admit this is a NAME.

It is no surprise that this thing was already worshipped by muhammad’s forefathers because the 360 idols including this allah object was already in the ka’aba before Muhammad was born.

Our challenge is to show that the regular noun to depict god in ancient past is really ILAH, but just like you said because it has been so prevalently used by the numerous arabs, the word becomes now a regularly used ‘noun’, even though it isn’t. And as I have already shown, the very statement of ‘la ilaha ill allah’…is yet another clear admission that the word ‘allah’ does not mean god. (ie. nobody ever says ‘there is no elephant but elephant’).

There should therefore be a deliberate attempt by all who are conscious of this error to put things right and stop calling allah as god.

Afterall, you cannot have someone going to your house and call you Ms Palin when you’re really a Mr Bernanke. Its an insult.
 
Because Arabs are less than 20% of Muslims. (That’s right, more than 80% of all Muslims are not Arab.)
Indeed.
I’ve never heard that hadith. Not once. And it actually matters a tremendous deal whether or not a hadith is authentic. Let me take a moment to briefly explain why: there are two primary sources of Islam, of understanding Islam. There is the Qur’an, directly revealed to Muhammad, and there is the teachings of Muhammad. It would be very easy for someone to give credence to his non-Islamic opinion by simply saying that it was a teaching of Muhammad (i.e., a hadith).
OK, well, I did say that it is a disputed hadith. Sorry if I made it sound like it was authentic, because it says right in the footnotes of the book I read it in that this hadith is of disputed authenticity. I did not mean to imply anything else.

However, my reason for including it remains, as was given in my last post: The idea that Arabic is the sacred language came with Islam. To accept Islam is to accept, if not the superiority of the Arabs per se, at least the idea that their language and culture is favored by God. That’s my only point.
However, to do so undermines the authority of the actual true authentic reports. So to say something is a hadith that might not be authentic is basically saying, “this might be a lie, a fabrication, but I’m going to tell it to you anyway.” That’s how lies are spread… and that shouldn’t be done, except to confirm their deficiencies. So if a hadith is not authentic, it shouldn’t be considered authoritative.
Again, I specifically wrote that it is of disputed authenticity, so it cannot be proven that Muhammad actually said it. I’m sorry if I have offended you, but I have explained why I brought it up, and I stand by that reason.
And unless you can provide proof that the hadith you quoted is authentic, we (both of us and all readers) should assume that it is inauthentic. I really don’t mean to offend you, but this is a serious matter, or at least one that I take very seriously because of the weighty implications it has.
Go ahead and assume it is inauthentic. I do, as well.
Now, there is a hadith which I know is authentic, it is from the farewell khutbah, where the Prophet Muhammad explicitly says that an Arab is no greater than a non-Arab, and a non-Arab is no greater than an Arab. And he also says a white man is no greater than a black man, nor is a black man greater than a white man. Except in piety, and righteous deeds. Frankly, this thoroughly authentic hadith actually refutes the assumed superiority of the Arabs.
It is from the final what? Thank you for illustrating my point that although Arabs may not specifically elevated above non-Arabs in Muhammad’s final sermon/speech/whatever, their culture and language still predominates the religion, and hence imprints itself to some degree on the people.
(Of course, some Arabs like to fancy themselves as somehow superior in understanding implementing Islam, or that they are blessed or elevated by their ethnicity… but they aren’t. It’s that simple.)
That’s good to know. Let’s hope those Arabs come to understand that message for the good of their non-Arab co-religionists.

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So, over 80% of Muslims are not Arabs, and they follow an Arabic book. Do they do that because they just think Arabic is superior? Or do they do it because God Almighty chose Arabic to reveal the Qur’an, and they accept it as the revelation?
I do not know. Perhaps one of the reasons they follow the book in its original Arabic is because they are told that it is to be best comprehended in the original. That would be a good reason. Some non-Aramaean/Greek/Hebrew Christians will learn those languages in order study the primary texts of the Bible, with much the same reasoning.

I do not object to anyone learning Arabic or any other language for any reason. It is the associated mindset that comes along with the religious study that is strange to me, as a non-Muslim. I respect and understand the idea of a sacred language to be used in communion and prayer (RC Mass was not in the vernacular until very recently, of course), but unless I am misunderstanding the Muslim position, the idea is as you have written it above: God CHOSE Arabic as the language of His last revelation. This is a notion that is foreign to Christianity, as I understand it.
And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur’an that you may warn the Mother of Cities [Makkah] and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze. (42:7)
Hmm. Alright. So it is for the Arabs of Mecca and the surrounding areas?
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to insult you–please forgive me.
It is okay. I should likewise apologize to you. I’m truly sorry if my tone has been less than charitable. I just don’t want to be misunderstood, because my point is not that Muslims should not learn Arabic or that anyone shouldn’t learn any language they want to for any reason (including religious reasons), but that the associated domains of culture and values should be respected for each community in turn. I do not like the idea that Roman Catholicism should impose its forms upon the Chaldean, Maronite, Syriac Malankara or other Eastern Catholics (in the form of “Latinizations”). We do not say that God chose Latin or Greek or what have you, but we may use them liturgically in recognition of the traditions of our given rite.
I am “one of them,” and I know the answer. I have never EVER heard anyone, Muslim or otherwise, advocate learning Arabic because Muhammad was an Arab. This is immense, really. Nobody says that. Nobody learns Arabic to imitate Muhammad. They really don’t.
I recognize that this was probably a poor choice of words on my part. I apologize if I have offended you by writing “imitate”. What I mean is not a simplistic sort of “Muhammad was an Arab and he is the prophet of God, so if I want to be more like the prophet, I should speak his language” imitation. Rather, I recognize that for the Muslim the behaviors, teachings, and values of Muhammad do provide a good model by which they should live their lives. So in this sense, it is good to imitate Muhammad in your own life, if you are a Muslim. This may also include learning Muhammad’s dialect of Arabic in order to read the Qur’an in the original. Unless you want to make the argument that learning Muhammad’s dialect as it is written in the Qur’an is somehow not indicative of imitating Muhammad, or that learning the language of the Qur’an is not intimately tied to following it to the utmost of your ability (for those who choose to learn it with that mindset, that is; as Angelos rightly points out, there are plenty of Muslims who choose NOT to learn it).
But anyway, I’m telling you the answer to my question–that Muslims want to learn Arabic because they want to understand the Qur’an, and that is the sole religious motivation to learn the Arabic language.
OK. Thank you. Your point of view is clear, and hopefully mine is now, as well. Again, I apologize for any offense I may have caused you. It was entirely unintentional.
 
I have read all the posts and I must say I am surprised how many times Muslim beliefs are belittled. As a Protestant who is now in RCIA, whenever we meet we always agree to discuss other religious viewpoints with the respect we would want if someone were discussing ours. While we Christians do not believe in Islam, we have to understand that if we want to discuss the differences in our faiths, making fun of Islam will not win anyone over. Islam is now the worlds largest religion, beating out all Christian faiths. There has to be a reason Islam is spreading so fast, and if we want to understand why people are drawn to it, we have to respect those who practice it and not demean their faith.
 
I have read all the posts and I must say I am surprised how many times Muslim beliefs are belittled. As a Protestant who is now in RCIA, whenever we meet we always agree to discuss other religious viewpoints with the respect we would want if someone were discussing ours. While we Christians do not believe in Islam, we have to understand that if we want to discuss the differences in our faiths, making fun of Islam will not win anyone over. Islam is now the worlds largest religion, beating out all Christian faiths. There has to be a reason Islam is spreading so fast, and if we want to understand why people are drawn to it, we have to respect those who practice it and not demean their faith.
t68ware, are you AWARE of the severity of the error in calling the devil as god?

We all know that the devil wants to be god. But he cannot do it overtly because the wise will know of it and have nothing of it. The best way is to get them to worship him without them realising it and wasting their lives in ignorance.
 
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