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GaryTaylor
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I did and your prior assertion is still wrong.
You send yourself, so what isn’t God like? And what does this mean…
These would be your appeal to canon law in which you condemn yourself properly understood?
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SighGuy
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What I was in reference to were your words here:
"Not for being in another faith etc… " They seemed to be implying that the Catholic position is that those of other faiths will go to Hell. If they were implying such, they were wrong, and if they weren’t implying such, I don’t know what the point of including it was.
Regardless, I apologize if my posts have become a little heated. For my part I have done what I can and will withdraw. There was a time in my life when I was stuck at the same point as you are, Lucius. I know what you’re going through. I was every bit as rabid about it, revolted, fired up. I can only assure you that you’re not understanding what I’m saying properly, and that from my position, with my understanding, God is even more just and good than from your position. The only evil is on behalf of people. I know that’s hard to accept, and it doesn’t seem to make sense, but when you get to the other side of that hurdle you will be able to grasp it. I know that I could not have grasped it until I was on the other side as well, and that was only possible because of God.
"Not for being in another faith etc… " They seemed to be implying that the Catholic position is that those of other faiths will go to Hell. If they were implying such, they were wrong, and if they weren’t implying such, I don’t know what the point of including it was.
Regardless, I apologize if my posts have become a little heated. For my part I have done what I can and will withdraw. There was a time in my life when I was stuck at the same point as you are, Lucius. I know what you’re going through. I was every bit as rabid about it, revolted, fired up. I can only assure you that you’re not understanding what I’m saying properly, and that from my position, with my understanding, God is even more just and good than from your position. The only evil is on behalf of people. I know that’s hard to accept, and it doesn’t seem to make sense, but when you get to the other side of that hurdle you will be able to grasp it. I know that I could not have grasped it until I was on the other side as well, and that was only possible because of God.
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LVCIVS_DEI
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If this goes on i will just stop praying altogether.
Nobody will listen anyhow.
It still sounds like “Do as i desire or burn in hell”
If i make a universe and give the ppl a choice between eternal suffering or obedience does that not make me a tyrant?
Even if it is their choice?
Bessides i never hear such talk in my churches.
I pray for everybody, and do not asume anybody will go to hell.
Christ will judge the living and the dead.
Not me,
Nobody will listen anyhow.
It still sounds like “Do as i desire or burn in hell”
If i make a universe and give the ppl a choice between eternal suffering or obedience does that not make me a tyrant?
Even if it is their choice?
Bessides i never hear such talk in my churches.
I pray for everybody, and do not asume anybody will go to hell.
Christ will judge the living and the dead.
Not me,
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LVCIVS_DEI
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No it seems to be this sites position that those of other faiths will go to Hell.
And that even little sins weigh more than all the good that person does…
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GaryTaylor
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I word…“Lucifer”
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LVCIVS_DEI
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That sort of stement needs a theme to go with it so here:I word…“Lucifer”
youtube.com/watch?v=g6Wbk058xEI
“And those who are prideful and refuse to bow down, shall be laid low and made into dust”
Hmmm?
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GaryTaylor
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So does the one below, thus Lucifer.
Only thing missing is your explanation of Lucifer. Either Lucifer sent himself to hell or God is indeed a dictator.
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fhansen
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Did you misread my post? I said that hell was self-created and self-willed. Or you don’t believe in hell? Are you a Jehovah’s Witness?
No loving God could ever send somebody to be tormented forver for not worshiping him.
You sound more like a prior of the ori from stargate sg-1 than as a catholic.
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GaryTaylor
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Oh I couldn’t miss that part. Its called selective readingDid you misread my post? I said that hell was self-created and self-willed. Or you don’t believe in hell? Are you a Jehovah’s Witness?
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LVCIVS_DEI
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He who speaks with the mouth of the lamb has no forked tongue.So does the one below, thus Lucifer.
Only thing missing is your explanation of Lucifer. Either Lucifer sent himself to hell or God is indeed a dictator.
There is a difference you dont see, becuase you think to fast.
Lucifer used violence in an attempt to overthrow God.
That clearly evil, becuase it causes war, derstruction and violence.
Sweraring a few times is not evil, its just a wrong thing to do.
But it wont send you to hell.
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LVCIVS_DEI
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I was tought that hell is for the worst of the worst, not regular ppl.Oh I couldn’t miss that part. Its called selective reading
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fhansen
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Did anyone say otherwise?
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GaryTaylor
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So God was justified in condemning Lucifer in your humble opinion?
What kind of loving God is He, that is not like that, who sent Lucifer to eternal damnation and in love for him made Lucifer its prince?
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LVCIVS_DEI
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Well it seems to me that you believe that even a small sin will negate a lifetime of love and labor, but catholic teaching says labors can give grace as well.
And i think you should not use Hell as a reason to believe.
I believe because i think i can help others with it, not myself.
Despite my unorthodox childhood/life.
And your views on love and sex are just wrong.
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LVCIVS_DEI
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Lucifer was clearly evil, there is a difference between evil and making small mistakes.So God was justified in condemning Lucifer in your humble opinion?
What kind of loving God is He, that is not like that, who sent Lucifer to eternal damnation and in love for him made Lucifer its prince?
You dont go to jail for the rest of your life for stealing candy now do you?
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Jim_Baur
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I do not know if this will help.
God promised us His love that gives us eternal life (I John 2: 25 & Luke 10 : 25-28).
His (medicinal) punishment is to guide us toward His eternal love and thus give us life.
An easy example: If I drink too many beers I get sick. The sickness is to inform me that I cannot find God and His Love in beer.
A tough example: If I love my wife, adore my children, work to provide for us, I am allowing God to work in me. I am a happy person because of His work being allowed in me. As Mary said: “Let it be done to me according to Your Word.”
God promised us His love that gives us eternal life (I John 2: 25 & Luke 10 : 25-28).
His (medicinal) punishment is to guide us toward His eternal love and thus give us life.
An easy example: If I drink too many beers I get sick. The sickness is to inform me that I cannot find God and His Love in beer.
A tough example: If I love my wife, adore my children, work to provide for us, I am allowing God to work in me. I am a happy person because of His work being allowed in me. As Mary said: “Let it be done to me according to Your Word.”
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LVCIVS_DEI
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Yes but that does not aply to everything.
And does not excuse ppl for judging others so harshly as they do.
And i dont think the need for intimicy is a sin.
Lust is.
I think it would do everybody good on this site to read the imitatio christi.
I says among other things:
“If you somebody sinning in public do not judge, for you do not know how long you can keep strong”
(Meaning little sins like swearing)
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GaryTaylor
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Its beyond my pay scale to speak who hell was reserved for. My point is we are called to be Saints because frankly God loves us and wills it. The confusion is over Gods love. Fear is not of God. So no he’s not a dictator and He is a Father because He loves you so much not only did He die for you, He offered you eternal salvation. He loves you so much too that if you refuse to follow Him, then, what should He do with you who was given free will to follow or not? Make you follow? Its impossible in that the order of free will to begin with deems this invalid.
As to those who slightly miss the mark? I seek refuge under the mantle of the Church as I see no other on earth who has explained this more clearly. Which imho becomes clear here at CAF.
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Jim_Baur
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I am only addressing God as a loving Being.
He has designed us to love. When we do not, He moves us to love!
If we miss it in a minor way, the move is minor. In a major way, the move is major.
He has designed us to love. When we do not, He moves us to love!
If we miss it in a minor way, the move is minor. In a major way, the move is major.
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LVCIVS_DEI
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Which imho becomes clear here at CAF?
What does that mean?
And i pray for others and have nowhere to seek refuge.
(I cant travel so i cant go to church)
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