God was behind Big Bang, universe no accident: Pope

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I believe in the Big Bang. God said, “Let there bee…” and

BANG!!!

There it was.

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CHRISTINE77 said:
The “Galileo thing” was really nothing much. Galileo was really outstepping his bounds and riduculing the Pope.

Pope Urban VIII only broke his good relations with Galileo when the latter wrote the book Dialogo, or Massimi Sistemi, in which he tried to ridicule the Aristotelian-Thomist philosophy in dealing with the systems of Ptolemy and Copernicus. Only then, in 1633, did the Pope deliver him to be judged by the Holy Inquisition for the second time . Here’s an excellent article about Galileo:

traditioninaction.org/History/A_003_Galileo.html
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Plus, Galileo thought that Scientists were not accountable to anybody but themselves and that they should Disseminate whatever Theories they may have developed without Church Authority, to Heck with what Societal Impact they may have had.
 
estesbob said:
Actually there’s really nothing to live down. Galileo was not punished not for claiming that the earth revolved around the sun but for mocking the pope in the book he worte explaing the theory. The truth is that the church was the champion of scientific discovery and the forerunner in establishing universities. Whenever you hear people start railing at the church about Galileo, the Crusades and/or the Inquisition you know they really have very little knowledge of church history or in fact history at all.
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Indeed. Mocking the Pope as an Aristotelian Idiot was ALSO not a Good Idea.
 
estesbob said:
My mother is fond of telling the story of our pastor’s response to a parent who was upset about my mother teaching evolution in our Catholic grade school. The pastor said to the woman “in the church we are not concerned so much with the how as we are by the who”
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Good Response. 👍
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Indeed. Mocking the Pope as an Aristotelian Idiot was ALSO not a Good Idea.
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Especially when Galileo’s “proofs” were observably wrong, the final proof for heliocentricism came in 1838…

I don’t feel bad for Galileo, in fact considering what he did and how he did it, he appears to have gotten off unusually well.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Plus, Galileo thought that Scientists were not accountable to anybody but themselves and that they should Disseminate whatever Theories they may have developed without Church Authority, to Heck with what Societal Impact they may have had.
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Galileo enjoyed the patronage the Church thoughout career. In fact 20 years before his trial he had advanced the same theory.and far from being punished by the Church, he recieved praise from them and an award for his research from a prominent Scientific group.

The book that got him in trouble was " Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems" were he advanced Copernican theory through an imaginary conversation between three people. It should be noted that he had the full approval of the Pope to write this book and the Pope was fully aware he intended to advance the Copernican theory. In the book one of the three imaginary characters, named Simpliticus, was presented as a complete idiot and roundly mocked and unfortunately for Galileo appeared to be a caricature of the Pope.
 
For myself it’s always been pretty simple:

1.) Who was the Author, the Creator of Life? God. 👍

2.) Evolution is one possible THEORY of the process, NOT the cause, of how life came about.

3.) Creation account could be literal, but the main point is God is the Creator, and the first humans blew it by lack of obedience and faith.

The only time I get bent out of shape is when Evolution is taught as fact and / or that the the Universe, and therefore - all of life - is merely an accident. :rolleyes:
 
estesbob said:
Galileo enjoyed the patronage the Church thoughout career. In fact 20 years before his trial he had advanced the same theory.and far from being punished by the Church, he recieved praise from them and an award for his research from a prominent Scientific group.

The book that got him in trouble was " Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems" were he advanced Copernican theory through an imaginary conversation between three people. It should be noted that he had the full approval of the Pope to write this book and the Pope was fully aware he intended to advance the Copernican theory. In the book one of the three imaginary characters, named Simpliticus, was presented as a complete idiot and roundly mocked and unfortunately for Galileo appeared to be a caricature of the Pope.
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Actually he didn’t have the full support of the pope, he had the tacit support of the pope as long as he did not portray the heliocentric theories as reality, but merely as a device necessary to make math work. It later came to light that he had been earlier ordered by one of the cardinals (Belarmine I think, but I’m too lazy to look it up now) not to mention the heliocentric theory in his works at all. Because Galileo was a jerk who had pissed everyone off, the cardinals petitioned the pope to try him for violating this order, showing the pope the insulting caricature against him (note: Don’t ever write something and put the words of someone who holds your life in his hands in the words of an idiot, it doesn’t end well).

This case is still a disturbing example of the Catholic church trying to place doctrine into scientific discovery. While the particular theory that book was dealing with was wrong, as most scientific theories turn out to be, the bit he was charged for was not.
 
edwest2 said:
Scientists cannot demonstrate multiverses exist.
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Why not? Lorentzian traversable wormholes held open by a negative-mass cosmic string could conceivably provide contact from one universe to another.
 
sidbrown said:
Why not? Lorentzian traversable wormholes held open by a negative-mass cosmic string could conceivably provide contact from one universe to another.
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Yes, of course. Are you aware of an observation or manipulation of a cosmic string?

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Yes, of course. Are you aware of an observation or manipulation of a cosmic string?

Peace,
Ed
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There are two question here:
  1. Have scientists as yet observed the multiverse: The answer here is NO.
  2. Is it impossible for scientists to demonstrate the existence of a multiverse.
    I don;t see any evidence from you to show why this has to be true. And I have given a possible way to show the possiblity of demonstrating the plausibility of a multiverse.
 
I have wondered for a long time what the problem was in reconciling “In the beginning God…” and The Big Bang. That priest’s comment is right on.

Theology is concerned with questions of “Who” and “Why”. Science with questions of “How”, “Where” and “When” With both having having (name removed by moderator)ut on “What”.

Faith and Reason both exist for the purpose of revealing the truth, either alone is insufficient but when combined…

Blessings,
 
Harri_Laaksonen said:
I have wondered for a long time what the problem was in reconciling “In the beginning God…” and The Big Bang. That priest’s comment is right on.

Theology is concerned with questions of “Who” and “Why”. Science with questions of “How”, “Where” and “When” With both having having (name removed by moderator)ut on “What”.

Faith and Reason both exist for the purpose of revealing the truth, either alone is insufficient but when combined…

Blessings,
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The Holy Scriptures give some clear answers on the issue of ‘how’ and ‘when’ that everyone likes to ignore because they’re intimidated by consensus opinions masquerading as proven facts. The Big Bang as a whole is just a compromise with secularism which chooses to ignore revealed truth from God and chase after the fantastical myth known as Darwinian evolution. Portions of reasoning behind the Big Bang are good, even excellent, but as a whole, it can’t all be reconciled with the clear details given in Scripture and reiterated by God Himself. Also if you’re keeping up with secular science itself, there are issues with the Big Bang model. Like other past models, it is likely to be replaced by something else, or just held onto in the background for no other reason other than nobody’s come up with something better. Don’t take anything in ‘science’ for granted, newer research often overturns old ones, and decades of stuff can be tossed out overnight despite how often it was crowed about as being reliable or ‘factual.’ God’s Word is unchanging and a foundation that is always rock solid, unlike science textbooks.

The problem with science these days, well actually for the longest time, is that scientists like to assume too much and place their own unprovable authority over clear reveltion from God. In their own pride they’ve made up a mythos of their own to replace God and Christianity and move them out of the picture. And society has suffered as a consequence.

Don’t be fooled by the false idea that theology is only restricted to a simple few vague questions. Theology is involved in everything. And don’t be fooled by the idea that only science offers answers to certain things. You’d be amazed how much foolishness and falsity passes under the guise of ‘science.’ It’s now only a game of how far you can kick God out of the picture and make Christianity out to be foolish. Don’t play that game. Study real science, know when you’re being had or not, and learn critical thinking. Science in the end is only a methodology. The results it spits out must be interpreted by scientists, who are human, biased and read into results whatever they prefer to.

God, who created everything, knows what He did, how He did it, when He did it, and how long it took Him to do it, and why He did it the way He did. He has shared with us some of these details, and who are we to tell Him we think otherwise? That’s the issue here. It’s not about what God could do. It’s what He told us He did. To find out, read Genesis 1 & 2.
 
i agree with the pope’s decision because there are some things in this universe that have so much awe that it just has to be contributed to God!
 
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