God's Jealousy

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:hmmm: Ok. How is essence different from nature? Oh and personage? What exactly is personage as defined by St. Thomas and Aristotle?

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You asked, “How is essence different from nature?”

I don’t know if I really know but I would say that “Essence” is boiling something down to the most basic and simplest, which is that God Is a Being of Love.

Whereas “nature” would be the combination, even if not all of them, that go in to make up something, such as “human nature”.

Us, humans, being made “in the Image and Likeness of God…”, is just part of our human nature.

I have said before that since God is a Being of Love and we are made “in the Image and Likeness of God…” that when Love shines thru us it is God shining thru us.

You also asked, “What exactly is personage as defined by St. Thomas and Aristotle?”

I don’t have a clue.

I would guess that St. Thomas might be speaking of “personage” in a human perspective but maybe not.

I would also guess that Aristotle would probably most likely be speaking of “personage” in a human perspective.

Do you know “What exactly is personage as defined by St. Thomas and Aristotle?” and what has this to do with “God being a Being of Love” as opposed to Love being a mere attribute, among many, of God?
 
Tom_Baum said:
You asked, “How is essence different from nature?”

I don’t know if I really know but I would say that “Essence” is boiling something down to the most basic and simplest, which is that God Is a Being of Love.

Whereas “nature” would be the combination, even if not all of them, that go in to make up something, such as “human nature”.

Us, humans, being made “in the Image and Likeness of God…”, is just part of our human nature.

I have said before that since God is a Being of Love and we are made “in the Image and Likeness of God…” that when Love shines thru us it is God shining thru us.

You also asked, “What exactly is personage as defined by St. Thomas and Aristotle?”

I don’t have a clue.

I would guess that St. Thomas might be speaking of “personage” in a human perspective but maybe not.

I would also guess that Aristotle would probably most likely be speaking of “personage” in a human perspective.

Do you know “What exactly is personage as defined by St. Thomas and Aristotle?” and what has this to do with “God being a Being of Love” as opposed to Love being a mere attribute, among many, of God?
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I don’t know myself if I would say “God is a being of love” so much that God’s being is love. At least that’s the way I’ve always took it.

Bill
 
billcu1 said:
I don’t know myself if I would say “God is a being of love” so much that God’s being is love. At least that’s the way I’ve always took it.

Bill
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God Is Love, that is what is written and that is what I perceived God the Father to be when God the Father revealed Himself to me in my heart, I would say that it was probably in my spiritual heart, as opposed to my physical heart, that this took place, but only God knows for sure.

And as far as, “God’s being is love”, would you say that “God’s being” is God?

When I say that “God is a Being of Love”, I am just saying that God Is a Being, as in real, as in not just a concept, that is what I mean by the word “Being” in the statement that “God is a Being of Love”.
 
Tom_Baum said:
God Is Love, that is what is written and that is what I perceived God the Father to be when God the Father revealed Himself to me in my heart, I would say that it was probably in my spiritual heart, as opposed to my physical heart, that this took place, but only God knows for sure.

And as far as, “God’s being is love”, would you say that “God’s being” is God?

When I say that “God is a Being of Love”, I am just saying that God Is a Being, as in real, as in not just a concept, that is what I mean by the word “Being” in the statement that “God is a Being of Love”.
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I don’t think as some of the scriptures put it, for our understanding; that God “has love”. So much as God’s nature or essence (there’s a difference I know) is love. Justice and things that are attributes of God are one thing. I don’t like the philosopher is trying to tell us anything short of God’s being is love. Love is not an attribute of God’s.

HTH

Bill
 
billcu1 said:
I don’t think as some of the scriptures put it, for our understanding; that God “has love”. So much as God’s nature or essence (there’s a difference I know) is love. Justice and things that are attributes of God are one thing. I don’t like the philosopher is trying to tell us anything short of God’s being is love. Love is not an attribute of God’s.

HTH

Bill
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It is my opinion also that Love is not an attribute of God.

It is also my opinion that God’s “attributes” flow from the “fact” of God being a Being of Love.

Concerning John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

I think of this “Word” as Love and one could say that Love became Incarnate.

And as I have said before, I believe that it is this “Word” (Love), which I think of as the Essence of God, that is referred to when it says, “Let Us make man in Our Image and Likeness…”.
 
Tom_Baum said:
It is my opinion also that Love is not an attribute of God.

It is also my opinion that God’s “attributes” flow from the “fact” of God being a Being of Love.

Concerning John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

I think of this “Word” as Love and one could say that Love became Incarnate.

And as I have said before, I believe that it is this “Word” (Love), which I think of as the Essence of God, that is referred to when it says, “Let Us make man in Our Image and Likeness…”.
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When the Son as the image of the Father and the Father and Son loved one another a new being was created. The Holy Spirit. The love was so strong that a new being was created. Generation of the persons. The Son is the word. The Holy Spirit is love. The love of the father and son.

Bill
 
billcu1 said:
When the Son as the image of the Father and the Father and Son loved one another a new being was created. The Holy Spirit. The love was so strong that a new being was created. Generation of the persons. The Son is the word. The Holy Spirit is love. The love of the father and son.

Bill
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Begotten, not created. Big difference there.
 
billcu1 said:
When the Son as the image of the Father and the Father and Son loved one another a new being was created. The Holy Spirit. The love was so strong that a new being was created. Generation of the persons. The Son is the word. The Holy Spirit is love. The love of the father and son.

Bill
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Jesus is only “the image of the Father” in that Jesus is God-Incarnate and the Holy Spirit is NOT the “love of the father and son” nor did the Holy Spirit come into being as “a new being was created”.

According to what you wrote, God is NOT a Trinity since for God to be a Trinity, God had to always be a Trinity, are you trying to say that God is NOT a Trinity?

Who we know as Jesus was always the Second Person of the Trinity but He became the Son of God and the Son of Man in the Incarnation when Mary said YES.

Who we refer to as the Holy Spirit was always the Third Person of the Trinity, just as Who we refer to as God the Father has always been the First Person of the Trinity.

The “words”, (First, Second, Third), in referring to Persons of the Trinity mean nothing more than differentiating the Persons of the Trinity.

I can not “explain” the Trinity and I would say that no one can explain the Trinity but either God is and always has been a Trinity or God isn’t a Trinity.

God did NOT grow into being a Trinity.
 
Tom_Baum said:
Jesus is only “the image of the Father” in that Jesus is God-Incarnate and the Holy Spirit is NOT the “love of the father and son” nor did the Holy Spirit come into being as “a new being was created”.

According to what you wrote, God is NOT a Trinity since for God to be a Trinity, God had to always be a Trinity, are you trying to say that God is NOT a Trinity?

Who we know as Jesus was always the Second Person of the Trinity but He became the Son of God and the Son of Man in the Incarnation when Mary said YES.

Who we refer to as the Holy Spirit was always the Third Person of the Trinity, just as Who we refer to as God the Father has always been the First Person of the Trinity.

The “words”, (First, Second, Third), in referring to Persons of the Trinity mean nothing more than differentiating the Persons of the Trinity.

I can not “explain” the Trinity and I would say that no one can explain the Trinity but either God is and always has been a Trinity or God isn’t a Trinity.

God did NOT grow into being a Trinity.
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Here is what I am speaking of. This is outside of time actually too remember.

newadvent.org/summa/1027.htm

There is procession within God of persons.

Bill
 
billcu1 said:
Here is what I am speaking of. This is outside of time actually too remember.

newadvent.org/summa/1027.htm

There is procession within God of persons.

Bill
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Do you know what you are trying to say and if you do what is it?

Do you believe God is a Trinity or don’t you?

As far as I am concerned, trying to “explain” the Trinity is an exercise in futility, either God is a Trinity or God isn’t.

God did NOT become a Trinity, either God always was a Trinity or God never will be a Trinity.

You wrote, “There is procession within God of persons.”

Nice sentence, what do YOU mean by that sentence?
 
Tom_Baum said:
Do you know what you are trying to say and if you do what is it?

Do you believe God is a Trinity or don’t you?

As far as I am concerned, trying to “explain” the Trinity is an exercise in futility, either God is a Trinity or God isn’t.

God did NOT become a Trinity, either God always was a Trinity or God never will be a Trinity.

You wrote, “There is procession within God of persons.”

Nice sentence, what do YOU mean by that sentence?
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Exactly what is said by the link I provided in the last post. Yes there is a trinity. Procession within God of persons does not negate trinity.
 
patrick457 said:
““You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. **You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, **visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."
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Can anyone tell me which book in the Old Testament this is from, Exodus, Deuteronomy or Leviticus?
Thank you.
 
Jealousy: Desiring to retain that which is yours.

Envy: Desiring that which belongs to another.
 
billcu1 said:
I know the scriptures say that God is a jealous God. Jealousy to me is an imperfection because you are not seeing things clearly. And God is perfect so, how can he be jealous? I’m a little confused about this. What is being said?

Bill
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NO:)

Exactly the opposite; this was a manifestitation of His PERFCET Justice & sense of fairness:thumbsup:

God Bless you

Patrick
 
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