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queenofheartscv said:
youtube.com/watch?v=KrqLQK7ecNE

Life-long republican burn party registration over what happened at colorado convention.
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Yeah, as much as the Democrats have their issues with superdelegates, the Republicans are straight out trying to steal the nomination from Donald Trump. I don’t see how they don’t turn off a large part of their supporters and hand the election to Clinton.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Going along with this story:

thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/disgusting-colorado-trump-delegate-scratched-list-gop-convention-cruzers-take-delegates/

The Cruz camp and GOP establishment leaders strong-armed their way to a sweep by banning Trump delegates and omitting them from the ballots… and listing Cruz delegates TWICE!
If that is true, it’s beyond despicable.
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msnbc.com/msnbc/colorado-loss-reveals-chaotic-overwhelmed-trump-campaign

Trump aides concede that Colorado is not a promising state, but the level of disorganization at Thursday’s event suggested problems that ran deeper than the top-line results.

Addressing the audience, Trump’s new Colorado state director Patrick Davis told supporters to vote for the three pro-Trump delegate candidates on a glossy brochure the campaign distributed.

“Look for them on the back when you vote Donald Trump!” Davis said. “He’s going to make America great again!”

There was only one problem: Two of the three names weren’t listed on the ballot.
“That’s a good question,” Davis told reporters after his speech when asked why they were left off.

There were, however, three pro-Trump delegates on the ballot who weren’t sanctioned by the campaign. One of them, Cully Marshall, made his case for Trump in a poem.

After some digging, Davis returned with a solution to the mystery of the missing delegates. One of the delegates had failed to pay the necessary fee to get on the ballot. He assumed the other was left off for similar reasons.

“Administrative error,” he said.

To be fair to Davis, who is a veteran operative in the state, he didn’t have much time to get the campaign up to speed. He only joined Tuesday, right as a Trump aide assigned to the state, James Baker, was let go by the campaign. By the time he showed up for work, Cruz had already swept the six delegates in two Congressional District convention over the last week.

In some ways, Thursday’s performance was an improvement: The campaign didn’t even distribute brochures with delegate slates in those two events.

“Honestly, we didn’t have this level of sophistication last weekend,” Davis said, explaining the previous lack of flyers. “Had we, it might have been a different result.”

Helbis Varangot, the one official Trump backer on the ballot for delegate, had plenty of complaints about the way the campaign handled the run-up to the event.

“They haven’t been here in Colorado,” she said. “[Baker] disappointed all of us. He didn’t do what he was supposed to do so he got fired. He told the campaign he was organizing, he never set foot in Colorado as far as I can tell.”

A source close to the campaign said Baker, who was also working on efforts in other states, was in Colorado at the time of his firing

----I would just like to voice my opinion that I think that the majority of Trump’s losses are to be largely blamed on the ineptitude and incomptence of Trump’s Colorado campaign
 
Here is some interesting speculation that Trump loses the first ballot and Cruz’s support evaporates after that. That the Cruz support is weak and only there to prevent Trump getting the nomination on the first ballot.

Cruz’s Value “Evaporates” When Trump Is No Longer A Threat: GOP strategist Alex Castellanos tells… bit.ly/20uOYka
 
gilliam said:
Not if they follow the local party rules, which they are doing.

It might show corruption in the party, but it isn’t illegal.
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Thank you. It doesn’t seem to reflect the will of the people, who should be electing the president, not either party.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Going along with this story:

thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/disgusting-colorado-trump-delegate-scratched-list-gop-convention-cruzers-take-delegates/

The Cruz camp and GOP establishment leaders strong-armed their way to a sweep by banning Trump delegates and omitting them from the ballots… and listing Cruz delegates TWICE!
If that is true, it’s beyond despicable.
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Wouldn’t the more likely explanation be that it is a typo on the printed ballot? 🤷

The article only lists the one repeated number. If there were several, it would be suspicious. Just one seems like a typo. And if there were more than one, it seems hard to believe that the website wouldn’t point it out with more photographic evidence (as it would greatly boost the credibility of the claim).
 
Joe_5859 said:
Wouldn’t the more likely explanation be that it is a typo on the printed ballot? 🤷

The article only lists the one repeated number. If there were several, it would be suspicious. Just one seems like a typo. And if there were more than one, it seems hard to believe that the website wouldn’t point it out with more photographic evidence (as it would greatly boost the credibility of the claim).
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Yes, an innocent typo plus a hacked twitter account.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Thank you. It doesn’t seem to reflect the will of the people, who should be electing the president, not either party.
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The Republican and Democratic parties are private parties. They have the right to exclusively select their nominees however they want.
 
Millie123 said:
The Republican and Democratic parties are private parties. They have the right to exclusively select their nominees however they want.
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Then why all the whining on this board about socialism? Seems we’re already living under a modified dictatorship as it is.
 
Millie123 said:
The Republican and Democratic parties are private parties. They have the right to exclusively select their nominees however they want.
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This is a point I never really thought of prior to this election cycle, but I’m seeing how this is really the way it has always been. The will of the people is realized in the general election much more so than the primaries.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Then why all the whining on this board about socialism? Seems we’re already living under a modified dictatorship as it is.
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I don’t necessary disagree with this sentiment.

Through the primaries the plurality of votes from the people won’t win a candidate the nomination. But rather, votes from specially selected and vetted delegates. For the Republican party this is how its been since 1856. It’s not necessary a bad set up. For example, During the campaign of 1860 both William Seward and Abraham Lincoln were competing for the spot as the Republican nominee. William Seward won the plurality of votes by the people, but in the end Abraham Lincoln won the nomination through multiple ballots voting at the contested convention that year. If the will of the popular vote had prevailed we would have had President Seward instead of President Lincoln.

When it comes time for the general election. Do you know how many times in history a president has gained the presidency without popular vote? Four times. The reason for that is because our presidents our voted by an electoral college. Most recently for example, if the will of the the popular vote had prevailed in 2000 we would have had President Gore instead of President Bush
 
Lily_Bernans said:
But every poll shows Hillary beating Trump handily. 🤷
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Not that it will change, but I think it can change after the nominee is actually selected. People say things now that they won’t necessarily stick to once the dust settles and the nominee is chosen (and has selected a running mate).

We’ll see, though. I don’t think the campaign season has done the GOP candidates any favor in terms of increasing their likeability. We’ll see how quick people are to forget.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Thank you. It doesn’t seem to reflect the will of the people, who should be electing the president, not either party.
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Millie123 said:
The Republican and Democratic parties are private parties. They have the right to exclusively select their nominees however they want.
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Beat me to it 😛

The presidential election is in November. What is going on now is the process of selecting the candidates who will be contending for the election in November. The other political parties (Libertarian, Socialist, Raving Loony, whatever) eschew the primary process completely and choose their candidates in conventions (or perhaps a pub crawl, in the case of the latter, if it existed on this side of the Pond). The Republicrats and the Democans could choose to do the same for the 2020 elections, without damage to the political process. It might actually benefit the country to amputate this whole primary election circus.
 
Millie123 said:
I would just like to voice my opinion that I think that the majority of Trump’s losses are to be largely blamed on the ineptitude and incomptence of Trump’s Colorado campaign
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Amen!

From this link:

But still, he’ll hire all the best people you guys. His big selling point is what a great businessman and manager he is. He’ll run government like he runs his businesses. We can only assume that’s how he runs his campaign too. And since his businesses consistently fail or go bankrupt, I guess we’ve stumbled on a campaign promise he’s actually keeping.
 
Erich said:
Amen!

From this link:

But still, he’ll hire all the best people you guys. His big selling point is what a great businessman and manager he is. He’ll run government like he runs his businesses. We can only assume that’s how he runs his campaign too. And since his businesses consistently fail or go bankrupt, I guess we’ve stumbled on a campaign promise he’s actually keeping.
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We are not there yet, are we?

Cruz is going all out for a second ballot win; we’ll see if we even get there. If anything, the process has shown us that delegates can be bought (anything is legal except cash transfer), so the game is ongoing, isn’t it?

Let’s also not forget, when Ron Paul ran in the last election, he probably had the best ground game but it didn’t matter because the GOP establishment was against him. It’s not the ground game; it’s who the party wants.
 
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