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Erich said:
Amen!

From this link:

But still, he’ll hire all the best people you guys. His big selling point is what a great businessman and manager he is. He’ll run government like he runs his businesses. We can only assume that’s how he runs his campaign too. And since his businesses consistently fail or go bankrupt, I guess we’ve stumbled on a campaign promise he’s actually keeping.
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The election is not a deal-making process between the candidate and party, which is essentially what Cruz has been good at doing. Voters–citizens of the country–have become a neglected party, but not to donald trump. Cruz may be good at getting the party hacks to do his bidding because they dislike trump (not because they like him), but trump is great at getting the people to support him. So the negotiation process goes on. Don’t forget the power of the people. It is very much in play here even though the party tries to suppress it.

Cruz may be winning the party vote but I’m not sure he’s winning the people’s vote. We’ll see who is the real leader in the end.
 
Came across this comment on a discussion board by a trump supporter who wanted to be a delegate in Arkansas:

“I am a candidate to be an arkansas delegate and I called my district chairperson to get some details on the April 30 selection meeting.
I was just told that the arkansas republican party is looking for energetic delegates to vote for a truly conservative candidate. **I asked who was a true conservative in their opinion and I was told “anyone but donald trump. **He is the opposite of conservatism and he will change as soon as he is elected.” So that’s the beginning of my journey it should be interesting. I am 1 of 10 on the ballot somewhere around 4th or 5th down the ballot. There will be 6 selected and 6 alternates or at least that was what I was originally told. I did tip my hand and it may be to my detriment.”
If this is happening across the country, can people still say that Cruz is winning because of ground game? Or can we say without a doubt that the GOP is trying to steal the nomination from trump?
 
RUSH: Now, there’s something else about these delegate fights that have taken place over the weekend where Cruz has just skunked Trump. It isn’t even a contest. It is fascinating to watch. And, of course, the Trump people think that games are being played and that tricks are being pulled. But that’s not happening. This is just somebody who understands the system using it. You know, we could go into a little discussion if you want about insider versus outsider, and I’ve tried to tell people: “These insiders are not just gonna let this stuff go, folks. They’re not just gonna sit idly by and let you take it away from 'em.”

rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/04/11/ted_cruz_isn_t_cheating_he_s_winning

Welcome to politics, folks!
 
gilliam said:
RUSH: Now, there’s something else about these delegate fights that have taken place over the weekend where Cruz has just skunked Trump. It isn’t even a contest. It is fascinating to watch. And, of course, the Trump people think that games are being played and that tricks are being pulled. But that’s not happening. This is just somebody who understands the system using it. You know, we could go into a little discussion if you want about insider versus outsider, and I’ve tried to tell people: “These insiders are not just gonna let this stuff go, folks. They’re not just gonna sit idly by and let you take it away from 'em.”

rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/04/11/ted_cruz_isn_t_cheating_he_s_winning

Welcome to politics, folks!
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Rush is no longer the authority. He adamantly declared that the establishment was more afraid of cruz than trump. Has he ever corrected himself on that? Sorry, rush is no longer trusted or correct.
 
Erich said:
Amen!

From this link:

But still, he’ll hire all the best people you guys. His big selling point is what a great businessman and manager he is. He’ll run government like he runs his businesses. We can only assume that’s how he runs his campaign too. And since his businesses consistently fail or go bankrupt, I guess we’ve stumbled on a campaign promise he’s actually keeping.
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I actually like Donald Trump as a person. He seems like he’d be very sweet to those he knows and likes. But for president, no. I realize he has business experience, but I don’t think that business experience would translate well into politics. But if I knew the guy personally, I think I’d like him.

Even though I don’t want him to be president, I think the Republican Party should play fair with him. Maybe Colorado was his fault, or the fault of his campaign manager, but the Republican Party is trying to oust him, and that’s not right. It might be playing by the Republican rule book, but it’s not morally right.
 
infowars.com/protest-planned-at-colorado-gop-headquarters-over-election-cancellation/

A protest has been planned for Friday at the Colorado GOP headquarters following news that all of the state’s delegates were awarded to Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz without say from voters.

“The Colorado Republican Party shamefully silenced its voters this election season,” read the details of an upcoming event posted to Facebook by the Colorado Votes Matter group.

“We demand that Colorado give the power to vote in the Presidential Primary to the voters. We will exercise our right to assemble and peacefully protest the corruption of the Colorado GOP and disenfranchisement that we the voters have suffered.”
 
queenofheartscv said:
breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/11/national-border-patrol-council-voters-disenfranchised-protect-gop-establishment/

The National Border Patrol Council (NBPC), the organization that represents nearly 17,000 of the Border Patrol agents who risk their lives to secure U.S. borders, is challenging the Colorado GOP for not holding a state primary and instead slating delegates mostly favorable to Trump’s rival Sen. Ted Cruz.
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Even with the Colorado delegates, Cruz won’t win the nomination.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Of course Cruz can’t win. I predict all this news about Cruz snatching delegates will not benefit his campaign.
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I don’t think it will, and I hope not. Benefit Cruz, that is. I don’t want it to benefit Cruz. Or Kasich. I can’t stand Kasich.
 
DaveBj said:
The presidential election is in November. What is going on now is the process of selecting the candidates who will be contending for the election in November. The other political parties (Libertarian, Socialist, Raving Loony, whatever) eschew the primary process completely and choose their candidates in conventions (or perhaps a pub crawl, in the case of the latter, if it existed on this side of the Pond). The Republicrats and the Democans could choose to do the same for the 2020 elections, without damage to the political process. It might actually benefit the country to amputate this whole primary election circus.
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Whatever the results turn out to be, one thing is certain: when we enter the voting booth in November to choose between Paul Ryan and Joe Biden, we’ll wonder why the heck we even bothered with primaries.
 
queenofheartscv said:
infowars.com/protest-planned-at-colorado-gop-headquarters-over-election-cancellation/

A protest has been planned for Friday at the Colorado GOP headquarters following news that all of the state’s delegates were awarded to Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz without say from voters.

“The Colorado Republican Party shamefully silenced its voters this election season,” read the details of an upcoming event posted to Facebook by the Colorado Votes Matter group.

“We demand that Colorado give the power to vote in the Presidential Primary to the voters. We will exercise our right to assemble and peacefully protest the corruption of the Colorado GOP and disenfranchisement that we the voters have suffered.”
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I give a numb and shallow “Ehhh” to this, and then a big yawn. It just sounds like a collosal waste of time. The Republican party does not not elect their nominees by populace vote. And Colorado’s populace vote is not in the least bit necessary for the GOP to elect a nominee and run him for the presidency. It shouldn’t even be a surprise to anyone that the GOP doesn’t support the popular vote.
  1. In 2011 the GOP voted against the National Popular Vote Initiative, which was an initiative to change the way we elect our president. Currently we elect our president by electoral college, the initiative would have gotten rid of the electoral college and had our president elected by popular vote. The GOP voted against this initiative. They do not support the popular vote
    washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/5/rnc-nixes-national-popular-vote-initiative/
And more recently:
Oklahoma sent an initiative to get rid of the electoral college and have elections determined by national popular vote and again the RNC unanimously voted against it.
theokie.com/five-questions-on-the-national-popular-vote-with-rncs-matt-pinnell/
  1. Senior members of the GOP even admit that the popular vote is not necessary:
“The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That’s the conflict here,” Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held."
cnbc.com/2016/03/16/we-choose-the-nominee-not-the-voters-senior-gop-official.html

Additionally he also has this to say:
“Do the primaries choose a nominee or do the convention delegates?” he asked. “It can’t be both.Democracy is pretty popular,” he added, but it’s simply not the way we do it."
nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/rnc-rules-insiders-speak-out-contested-convention-n541146

As crass as Curly Haugland sounds, I think he’s being honest. The RNC chooses their nominees, not the popular vote.
  1. Trump won popular vote in Louisiana but Cruz is winning more delegates.
4)Trump won 50 delegates by popular vote in South Carolina, but if the convention voting goes past 1 ballot. He may only have 1 delegate that remains faithful to him
politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-colorado-south-carolina-delegates-221762
–So much for the popular vote huh?
  1. Something very similar is happening to him in Virginia
    redstate.com/streiff/2016/04/11/donald-trump-losing-delegate-fight-virginia/
  2. The GOP just awarded Colorados their delegates without the populace voting at all, all of the delegates went to Ted Cruz
    –The popular vote isn’t even remotely necessary
Again, the Republican party is a private organization. They choose how to elect their nominees. They are making the rules regardless of popular vote. The writing is on the wall, it’s not like they’re being discreet about it. I don’t know how to make it anymore clearer, to the GOP the popular vote is not how they choose their candidates. And the Colorado populace not voting does not make the least bit of difference.
 
Millie123 said:
I give a numb and shallow “Ehhh” to this, and then a big yawn. It just sounds like a collosal waste of time. The Republican party does not not elect their nominees by populace vote. And Colorado’s populace vote is not in the least bit necessary for the GOP to elect a nominee and run him for the presidency. It shouldn’t even be a surprise to anyone that the GOP doesn’t support the popular vote.
  1. In 2011 the GOP voted against the National Popular Vote Initiative, which was an initiative to change the way we elect our president. Currently we elect our president by electoral college, the initiative would have gotten rid of the electoral college and had our president elected by popular vote. The GOP voted against this initiative. They do not support the popular vote
    washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/5/rnc-nixes-national-popular-vote-initiative/
And more recently:
Oklahoma sent an initiative to get rid of the electoral college and have elections determined by national popular vote and again the RNC unanimously voted against it.
theokie.com/five-questions-on-the-national-popular-vote-with-rncs-matt-pinnell/
  1. Senior members of the GOP even admit that the popular vote is not necessary:
“The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That’s the conflict here,” Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held."
cnbc.com/2016/03/16/we-choose-the-nominee-not-the-voters-senior-gop-official.html

Additionally he also has this to say:
“Do the primaries choose a nominee or do the convention delegates?” he asked. “It can’t be both.Democracy is pretty popular,” he added, but it’s simply not the way we do it."
nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/rnc-rules-insiders-speak-out-contested-convention-n541146

As crass as Curly Haugland sounds, I think he’s being honest. The RNC chooses their nominees, not the popular vote.
  1. Trump won popular vote in Louisiana but Cruz is winning more delegates.
4)Trump won 50 delegates by popular vote in South Carolina, but if the convention voting goes past 1 ballot. He may only have 1 delegate that remains faithful to him
politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-colorado-south-carolina-delegates-221762
–So much for the popular vote huh?
  1. Something very similar is happening to him in Virginia
    redstate.com/streiff/2016/04/11/donald-trump-losing-delegate-fight-virginia/
  2. The GOP just awarded Colorados their delegates without the populace voting at all, all of the delegates went to Ted Cruz
    –The popular vote isn’t even remotely necessary
Again, the Republican party is a private organization. They choose how to elect their nominees. They are making the rules regardless of popular vote. The writing is on the wall, it’s not like they’re being discreet about it. I don’t know how to make it anymore clearer, to the GOP the popular vote is not how they choose their candidates. And the Colorado populace not voting does not make the least bit of difference.
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If enough people make enough noise, things might be different.
 
Erich said:
Whatever the results turn out to be, one thing is certain: when we enter the voting booth in November to choose between Paul Ryan and Joe Biden, we’ll wonder why the heck we even bothered with primaries.
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Made me twist my face into an ironic smile and mutter “Amen!” under my breath.

I’ve pretty much decided that, barring a major change in the way that the Republican Party does business between now and November, I’ll be changing my registration from Republican to Independent.
 
DaveBj said:
Made me twist my face into an ironic smile and mutter “Amen!” under my breath.

I’ve pretty much decided that, barring a major change in the way that the Republican Party does business between now and November, I’ll be changing my registration from Republican to Independent.
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From what I’ve been reading, you are not the Lone Ranger.
 
Erich said:
Whatever the results turn out to be, one thing is certain: when we enter the voting booth in November to choose between Paul Ryan and Joe Biden, we’ll wonder why the heck we even bothered with primaries.
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That won’t happen. End of story.
 
Good_Tidings said:
This whole Colorado thing bothers me. Did the citizen give up their right to vote or what? What the heck happened in this state. I’m not a Trump supporter, but this just doesn’t make sense to me.
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The party decided to forgo election to save money, or that’s what they say. It was decided in August 2015.
 
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