Government run by the (secular) people?

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I do not see an issue with what Franco did. Religious liberty is not a Catholic value except insofar as the Church can exercise her rights. I absolutely reject separation of Church and State and reject absolute free speech (blasphemy and heresy should be illegal). The U.S. Constitution is a masonic and un-Catholic document.
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Did this lack of religious liberty morally allow for them to take “newborns from mothers who were considered leftists or communists and gave them to families connected to the Franco regime.”?

 
According to the wiki article anyone that " endorse the separation of church and state and encourage individualistic thinking" is guilty of Heresy. WOW, then I am a heritic, I support the separation of church and state as the founders wanted it. Not as we have it today. I believe in free will so I have to be an individual thinker. One does not exist without the other.

BTW, If you think America is more anti catholic than Muslims nations, your priorities are wrong.
 
Just go ahead and say it was the Jews that killed Jesus
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Why would I say that without clarification.

Fact is, the Jewish authorities of Jesus time, did in fact arrest him, try him and convicted him of blasphemy. They handed him over to Pontius Pilate and pressured him tp crucify Jesus.

If you deny this, you don’t know the Gospels very well.

Also, Jesus did not intend for His religion to rule the world, He made no such ideas in the Gospels.

You need to update your information about Church history without trying to water it down.

The Holy Roman Empire was deep in corruption and it’s what drove Jesus to call St Francis of Assisi to reform the Church.

Do you support the idea of Papal armies led by a warrior Pope ?

Lastly, please stop presuming you know what I think, you have no clue.

Jim
 
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If you are a material heretic, accept the correction and amend your ways. It’s not really your fault that our modern day catechesis is garbage. You must put the Church and her ways above the nation. It was difficult for me as well, seeing as I’m a convert and was a turbo-American Nationalist.

Muslim countries are anti-Christian for sure, I’m more interested in the so called “Christian West” where in the colonial era priests were killed for being priests, Catholics were outlawed from public office and have been excluded to the peripheries of American life. We are the “other” even in modern times, seeing as lukewarm Catholics like JFK were scary and controversial to the founding stock of this country.
 
I agree that the Jews did that, but Nostrae Aetate waters that down.

Yes Jesus did intend for his religion to triumph. It is the only true religion and thus the great commission was to “conquer” the false demonic religions of this world. Most of that should be and was done peaceably, but the Church had a hard time with that with its people being killed keft and right. Of course martyrdom was used by God for greater purpose but He intended that the Church would grow and become mighty. What the symphony of Church and State did was allow Christendom to practice true religion under the protection of a king or emperor that would help protect true faith by beating back violent infidels (Charles Martel at the battle of Tourres kicking out the muslims, the Crusader States allowing local Christians to shirk their dhimmitude and practice the faith unmolested. etc) and also executing unrepentant heretics that were leading the faithful astray and found guilty in ecclesiastical courts. Heresy, scandal, and similar grievous errors are a form of spiritual homicide and to not repent from such is horrific and dangerous. Jesus wants as many souls saved as possible, but if there are false prophets leading the faithful away, a strategic put down of their leadership will save those many other souls, and the state has the right to arbitrate such justice.

Yes the HRE went through times of corruption as all states do. Jesus never said “Abolish the HRE, stop having kings and knights, and stop having my vicar anoint royalty and hold temporal power” he called for reform and repair. It’s time to shed the elementary school liberal civics and return to a true Christian social order. Perhaps something like Austria’s Christian Social party?

As for Papal Armies, the Pope did have military orders at his disposal in ages past and still dos today (albeit mostly ceremonial). I’m ambivalent about him having such, but you’re really reaching if you think I desire a “warrior pope” when the ministry of the clerical state precludes the shedding of blood. It is not befitting of a Pope to be a physical warrior.
 
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Yes, I know these characteristics of communism and fascism.

Regarding Mussolini, I guess you said the key word: miracle. That’s all that could explain an eventual change in him.

Because when he was using the Church to promote himself, things were pretty bad in his soul. Kinda like latin american communists using liberation theology to promote their agenda… they only pretend being in the Holy Church of Christ
 
Inquisitor_rex said:
Communists shouldn’t poison the brains of their children.
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Just so there’s no misunderstanding, you are completely fine with the government taking away children (in these cases it was done with the assistance of doctors, nurses, priests, and nuns) solely because you disagree with some of the opinions of the new parents?
 
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I don’t know if Catholics believe seculars should run the government, but at this point in time, the church is not run any differently than the government is now. It’s all about giving the people what they want without value for the truth. I love God and I love what the church has done for me, but not the people of the church, but the essence of the church and it’s mission. To preach the gospel to all nations and to heal all people from their infirmities WITHOUT judgement towards any man or woman. If you need help the church should give it and not be politically oriented. We are a spiritual hospital so-to-speak so we should act more like it. I think the government AND the church should be governed by people who are entirely given up to the sovereign and benevolent governor who is God and this can only truly be tested by people who DO God’s will and not simply SAY they do God’s will.
 
Yes. Communists don’t deserve to hurt their kids with their evil ideology and I’d say that it is better for those kids.
 
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Communism is the worst evil ever inflicted on mankind. I really don’t get the love affair many CAF posters have with it.
 
Our seminaries were infiltrated in the 20’s and the poison overfloweth. Leftist Catholics are the fruit. “The Decree Against Communism? Didn’t Vatican II magically overturn that like it magically overturned every other sacred teaching of the Church?” - Probably a few of the people in CAF
 
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Communism is the worst evil ever inflicted on mankind. I really don’t get the love affair many CAF posters have with it.
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I’m not a fan of communism either. That it doesn’t mean you steal their babies and tell the new mothers their children died at birth.
 
If they’re Communist then they should be thankful they’re being allowed to continue to steal oxygen.
 
Mat 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."
 
That’s Jesus who will exact judgment, not man. Man is to turn the other cheek. Man is not supposed to steal babies.
 
The Government is allowed to exact justice (Romans 13) and are ordained to do so by God.
 
Well,then stealing babies is a crime. Period
I do not think you will find “accomplices” to approve of criminal behaviour in this forum.
It is a Catholic Forum BTW…
I do not think you fully understand what you are saying honestly .
 
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And I’m a Catholic. So should DCFS remove children from toxic households? Because this is the moral equivalent. If the state removes your custody for good reason then its not “stealing”
 
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