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See…I do not think there is anything to relate one to the other. At all.
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The Department of Child and Family Services. They remove children from abusive, neglectful or otherwise unhealthy households.
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graciew
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Thank you! I looked it up in the meantime.
No…perhaps you haven t read how things happened and you are moving in the sphere of ideas, without some experience.
You said you were a young man,so perhaps you are too young to know what we are refering to and that is ok.
It is important to share we have had this discussion in CAF that we make a distinction between the person and the worldview.
In other words,in this particular case,a person who believes in Communism is to be respected. The Church does not go along with Communism ,this worldview. This doesn t mean we,as a Church , are going against the person who may think differently. Much less approving of stealing their babies. …unimaginable ,and not only for Catholics,but for people of good will…
No…perhaps you haven t read how things happened and you are moving in the sphere of ideas, without some experience.
You said you were a young man,so perhaps you are too young to know what we are refering to and that is ok.
It is important to share we have had this discussion in CAF that we make a distinction between the person and the worldview.
In other words,in this particular case,a person who believes in Communism is to be respected. The Church does not go along with Communism ,this worldview. This doesn t mean we,as a Church , are going against the person who may think differently. Much less approving of stealing their babies. …unimaginable ,and not only for Catholics,but for people of good will…
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At this point I cannot tell what there is of " Catholic" or " symphonic" in this proposal.
It is the violence and going against human dignity the Church so much condemns.
Property taken also ?
It is the violence and going against human dignity the Church so much condemns.
Property taken also ?
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The Church allows the state to carry out force and arbitrate justice with the sword (READ ROMANS 13!) If I teach my child it’s ok to commit suicide and encourage such, should the state not intervene and seize my child? Well when you raise a child communist you teach them spiritual suicide is a good, and the death of their nation a must.
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And what does one do with a catholic child raised to think that " the sword" meant a " weapon" and force and imposing?
How does one lead the child to look inside his true loving and merciful nature? His image made after our Father in Heaven?
How does one lead the child to look inside his true loving and merciful nature? His image made after our Father in Heaven?
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Jesus did not tell Pontius Pilate he didn’t have the right to kill Him, he said God the Father allowed such. St Paul said in Romans 13: 13 Let every soul be subject to higher powers: for there is no power but from God: and those that are, are ordained of God.
2 Therefore he that resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist, purchase to themselves damnation.
3 For princes are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good: and thou shalt have praise from the same.
4 For he is God’s minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God’s minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.
5 Wherefore be subject of necessity, not only for wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.
6 For therefore also you pay tribute. For they are the ministers of God, serving unto this purpose.
That’s pretty clearly talking about the State being allowed to carry out justice even with violence.
2 Therefore he that resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist, purchase to themselves damnation.
3 For princes are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good: and thou shalt have praise from the same.
4 For he is God’s minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God’s minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.
5 Wherefore be subject of necessity, not only for wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.
6 For therefore also you pay tribute. For they are the ministers of God, serving unto this purpose.
That’s pretty clearly talking about the State being allowed to carry out justice even with violence.
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graciew
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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...e_doc_20060526_compendio-dott-soc_en.html#The foundation of political authority
Chapter III.
This is the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church.
Start from the beginning whenever you have time,if you can…
Chapter III.
This is the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church.
Start from the beginning whenever you have time,if you can…
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