Grandma Enthusiasm

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While I don’t think my mom has any intent of making me care for her, her physical limitations keep her from being able to cook, or vacuum, or do anything that involves standing for more than a few minutes. I’ll have my freezer stocked with chili beforehand, and between that and my husband’s culinary talents, we should be set.

**I know she wants to help, but I also know that realistically, her help will probably be exclusively snuggling and loving on her new grandbaby. ** I’m so ok with that; my kid couldn’t have a better grandma. Hubby and I have always been an ‘us against the world’ team and I know we can count on each other and get into a rhythm that works. It will just take a little time and trial and error.

I know I might sound overconfident, and who knows, having my first may hit me with a huge dose of reality. But my situation is pretty good as far as marriage, finances, and family go. People raise great kids starting from infancy in far worse circumstances than mine, so I kind of feel like hard doesn’t mean insurmountable.
If so, I think you do deserve at least a week head’s start on the snuggling.

(My parents came and actually did that with my second, but at that point it was helpful, as they were able to hold Middle Kid while Big Girl (2.5 at the time) got more mommy time.)
 
…she apologized and explained that she just really wanted to be there because her mom was so involved when I was born. But my father was a raging lunatic drunk, so there’s that…
Your husband may be a terrific husband and great father to your new baby, but he cannot be your mother or the child’s grandmother.

I hear what you are saying about not wanting her there and not needing her help while your husband is home, but I don’t think you understand the long-standing tradition of mothers coming to “help” their daughters when a new baby arrives. You are certainly not the first woman to go through this. Your grandmother did not just help because your father was a raging lunatic drunk–almost all women with mothers had their mothers’ “help” after giving birth, particularly with the first child in the first week(s).

Just as you will be learning your new role as a mother, your mother is learning her new role as a grandmother. She’s following the example of those grandmothers she knew in her life and trying to do like they did. She may even think you “need your mother to help show you how to be a mother” because you’re new at this motherhood gig. And as she’s also obviously old enough to be a grandmother, (meaning she’s middle-aged or older), she may also be trying to figure our her place in this world as she ages. For many years, she has identifies as “Blue-Eyed Lady’s Mother”, and now she embraces the role of both “good mother” *and new role as *“helpful grandmother”. Both roles may be far more appealing to a middle aged lady than simply aging.

Your mother may feel like it is her “duty” to come. No matter what you say to her, something inside her may be telling her that she’s not being a “good mother” unless she comes, because based on her history and tradition, that’s what good mothers do for their daughters. Now that you told her that you don’t want her to come, she may not know what to do, because inside her something compels her to come, yet she’s not wanted or needed. And if she’s not needed, then that might make her feel even worse.

Welcome to motherhood! While the sleepless nights with a newborn baby may seem to last forever, by the time your baby has a baby, you will realize that it went by in the blink of an eye.
 
Please don’t shoot me!! I understand that your situation is very different than mine but I would like to give a different perspective from a grandmother of 1 who is now 7 years old. When my daughter was 7 months pregnant she and my son-in-law both took new jobs in a city 6 hours away from us. I was so worried about them moving so late into her pregnancy, having to change doctors, being away from family. Since this was their first child I was concerned about how her labor and delivery would go. As her mom, I was very worried and wanted to be there with her. Turns out it was very difficult and she ended up having a c section. Labor and delivery are not easy under the best of circumstances. If any of my children were having any other procedure I would be there. This was no different to me.

Of course after she was born and my daughter was OK, I was able to dote on my granddaughter. We did stay in a hotel, not my daughters house. Money was tight for us but we were able to make it work. And I did actually help with laundry and cooking, etc. In between holding my granddaughter of course LOL. If they had said that they didn’t want us to come when the baby was born I would have been so worried and very hurt. I would have respected their wishes and not tried to manipulate them but I would have probably cried my eyes out with worry and disappointment. There is nothing like sitting in a waiting room waiting for your first grandchild to arrive, then see them in the nursery as soon as they are brought out. We were able to watch her first bath and hold her within hours of her birth. We loved the perks of being there when she was born but for me it was more about being there with my daughter and son-in-law for support in case things didn’t go as planned.

I know that I probably drive them crazy sometimes. I try really hard not to but I probably do anyway. They are very kind and patient with us and allow us to “take over” when we are together LOL. But I always try to respect them as parents. If I overstep, my daughter will let me know as she should. I know that I get carried away sometimes.

Again, I know that your situation is different than mine and I’m not saying that you should let your mom come for that first week. Only you and your husband can determine what is the right thing to do in your situation. I just thought that my experience may allow you to see some of what she may be feeling, other than just wanting to be there to see the new grandbaby.

I will never forget the time that my daughter looked at me as I was acting crazy trying to get a reaction out of my 2 or 3 day old granddaughter and asked me “Was Mimi as crazy as you are when I was born?” Yes, yes she was!! How I treasure that memory!!
 
If you know you are the kind of person who needs space and privacy, you won’t regret setting boundaries. Some people have trouble understanding that for many of us, privacy and time to adjust to new situations, especially one this life-altering, is not actually just something we “prefer”, but an actual necessity in order to remain functional.

I am so glad we ended up setting clear boundaries and sticking to them when our son was born, because childbirth did not go as planned and my recovery was much more difficult and painful than a normal delivery. We had some visits in the hospital and in the first week at home, but only after prior arrangement- we made it clear that we were not up for unexpected company. This worked well, and everyone was respectful about it. People visited and left.

I could never have handled anyone staying with us, especially in our small apartment. My husband and I handled everything fine, I got a chance to breathe and figure out being a mom with some space. My husband did the laundry and grocery shopping, since I could not do much or move well, and we relied on quick easy meals, and it worked out. There are people who want help and company right after their children are born, and it works out fine for them too. While some of the posters on this thread are right that it is nice to appreciate the perspective of Grandma, and understand her concern and enthusiasm, it is more important for Grandma to respect the needs of the new family, whatever those might be. It is perfectly reasonable to ask your mom to come when you are ready, and I hope that she is able to respect that without continuing to drag other family members into it.
 
Maybe mothers were once more helpful? Mine showed up, uninvited and played on her phone while holding a baby half heartedly while I mopped, cooked and cleaned…and she made a big fuss about feeling unwelcome. Well, there was a reason 🤷
My mother made a couple of meals, announced she couldn’t do anything else, then went to her room and sulked when we told her that we were asking my in-laws to come over. She finally came out of her room after I cried and reminded her that I’d given birth 3 days ago.

Another time we asked her to go upstairs and entertain our daughter (as in, smile at and talk to her; we didn’t want my mom lifting the baby) if our daughter woke up while we walked around the neighborhood. When we came back, the baby was screaming over the monitor and my mom was in the kitchen telling us with much amusement how her cries had started out sad, then become angry, then desperate.

My MIL, on the other hand, was extremely helpful, and she asked US when it would be helpful for her to come.
 
. I’ll have my freezer stocked with chili beforehand, and between that and my husband’s culinary talents, we should be set.

I know she wants to help, but I also know that realistically, her help will probably be exclusively snuggling and loving on her new grandbaby.
Okay so you want to skip the chili and other spicy food if you are breast feeding.

All the best
 
My mother made a couple of meals, announced she couldn’t do anything else, then went to her room and sulked when we told her that we were asking my in-laws to come over. She finally came out of her room after I cried and reminded her that I’d given birth 3 days ago.

Another time we asked her to go upstairs and entertain our daughter (as in, smile at and talk to her; we didn’t want my mom lifting the baby) if our daughter woke up while we walked around the neighborhood. When we came back, the baby was screaming over the monitor and my mom was in the kitchen telling us with much amusement how her cries had started out sad, then become angry, then desperate.

My MIL, on the other hand, was extremely helpful, and she asked US when it would be helpful for her to come.
Oh wow.

Yeah, YMMV a lot with grandmas, and it’s hard to tell what kind you’ve got until it’s too late to turn back.
 
Okay so you want to skip the chili and other spicy food if you are breast feeding.

All the best
Not necesarily. Chili can be very mild, and my personal experience has been that spicy stuff has not tended to make my kids fussy. But I know people sometimes avoid garlic, onions, etc, so whatever works for you is fine. (Including formula, BTW.)
 
Not necesarily. Chili can be very mild, and my personal experience has been that spicy stuff has not tended to make my kids fussy. But I know people sometimes avoid garlic, onions, etc, so whatever works for you is fine. (Including formula, BTW.)
Yeah, this is another YMMV thing.

When it matters, it really matters, but sometimes it doesn’t.
 
Yeah, this is another YMMV thing.

When it matters, it really matters, but sometimes it doesn’t.
This is the perfect demonstration of why I don’t want my mom (or MIL, or SIL, or any female relatives or friends) over my shoulder from day 1. Even being pregnant I’ve gotten so much conflicting but well-meaning advice that I can and do just brush off. But when the person is your mother, living with you, and it’s about a baby instead of a pregnancy and you’re recovering from a big medical thing, it’s harder to ignore.

Unless it comes from my OB or pediatrician, I’m really not too concerned about it. I hate it when people play amateur lawyer because they can ruin their lives or someone else’s. Playing doctor is even worse!
 
This is the perfect demonstration of why I don’t want my mom (or MIL, or SIL, or any female relatives or friends) over my shoulder from day 1. Even being pregnant I’ve gotten so much conflicting but well-meaning advice that I can and do just brush off. But when the person is your mother, living with you, and it’s about a baby instead of a pregnancy and you’re recovering from a big medical thing, it’s harder to ignore.

Unless it comes from my OB or pediatrician, I’m really not too concerned about it. I hate it when people play amateur lawyer because they can ruin their lives or someone else’s. Playing doctor is even worse!
…and even more popular!
 
Not necesarily. Chili can be very mild, and my personal experience has been that spicy stuff has not tended to make my kids fussy. But I know people sometimes avoid garlic, onions, etc, so whatever works for you is fine. (Including formula, BTW.)
It seems that every culture has a different list of foods that are good and bad for breastfeeding mothers. The La Leche League suggests a fresh wholesome diet is all that is necessary. The mother needs to be careful only if the baby has an allergic or adverse reaction to breast milk. In the case of chili, I think common sense would dictate that extra mild is better than hot. You would be surprised though how little common sense a person has when sleep deprived. A good doula, grandmother or helper senses a mother’s special needs and works to keep every one safe.

I feel very sorry for all those women/new mothers who don’t feel comfortable with their own mothers at the special time afterbirth. There are many, many very good mothers/grandmothers who are perfectly suited and able who help DDs or DILs postpartum.

While my own DM and MIL weren’t perfect I appreciated the time I had to see and understand their humanity and expressions of love however feeble.

We are all inadequate. This is what all truly great mothers learn. Only Our Blessed Mother exemplifies radiance and perfection :harp:❤️
 
It seems that every culture has a different list of foods that are good and bad for breastfeeding mothers. The La Leche League suggests a fresh wholesome diet is all that is necessary. The mother needs to be careful only if the baby has an allergic or adverse reaction to breast milk. In the case of chili, I think common sense would dictate that extra mild is better than hot. You would be surprised though how little common sense a person has when sleep deprived. A good doula, grandmother or helper senses a mother’s special needs and works to keep every one safe.

I feel very sorry for all those women/new mothers who don’t feel comfortable with their own mothers at the special time afterbirth. There are many, many very good mothers/grandmothers who are perfectly suited and able who help DDs or DILs postpartum.

While my own DM and MIL weren’t perfect I appreciated the time I had to see and understand their humanity and expressions of love however feeble.

We are all inadequate. This is what all truly great mothers learn. Only Our Blessed Mother exemplifies radiance and perfection :harp:❤️
Back in the day men rarely got involved with the early phase of a child’s life and rarely had time off work to help with housework. Nowadays the roles that men and women take on in the home are more fluid.

In addition, in the past a woman would likely live with her mother until marriage and become pregnant soon after marriage. Nowadays adults tend to work and live independently before a later marriage.

While it’s wonderful if a grandmother wants to help and her daughter wants that help, I would argue that it would be far worse for the child if that help was to the detriment of the father bonding with the child and to the detriment of the comfort of the mother.
 
Let us say your husband is Eric.

I think you have to
  1. say “no” means “no” and mean it. (Variation: “Hi, Mom. Oh, yes, Eric’s mom called, and she thinks we ought to change our minds about having you come to stay with us. You are going to love her. We’re not changing our minds. We have had everyone and their dog Mike call us, we’ve thought about it carefully, and we are sticking with the original plan. Sorry, but the discussion is closed.”)
  2. and then tack on: “…and if you show up anyway even though we asked you not to, we are going to get you a hotel room and you are going to stay there. I’m the parent this time, Eric (or whatever your husband’s name is) is the parent this time, and our number one rule for your grandchild is that we make the rules. No exceptions, you may as well realize now that we mean what we say and say only what we mean, and do not say we didn’t ever tell you that.”
  3. decide on natural consequences that will follow for people who intentionally violate your boundaries, ranging from “warning issued because maybe you didn’t quite understand” consequences, through “ten yard penalty and loss of down” consequences and all the way up to “ejected from the game” boundaries. (Let us hope no one gets themselves banned for life from the Hall of Fame.)
  4. then select the four people you are going to get pre-approval from as your guilt trip survival support group, so you won’t wear out one person with your venting.
  5. When the push back comes (and some day it almost surely will):
    a) enforce the boundary as you said you would
    b) repeat “the definition of a dysfunctional family is any family with more than one person in it. We may not be normal, but we are definitely typical. We’ll get through this.”
    c) try to laugh
    d) if laughing doesn’t work, call your Vent Support Network.
If you draw your line and defend it, you may get 20 years of snarky remarks, but you will get through it and this will pass. No, there is not an easier way, because the other way is to just parent exactly the way your parents tell you. (Tell me if that doesn’t curl your hair! :eek: :D)

You already know children test boundaries. Well, just think about it: Everyone does. Grown-ups test boundaries, too. When you went from child to adult, your parents may have even tested your adult boundaries. Even if they didn’t, the push-back you’re getting now seems to suggest they are going to test your boundaries as a parents dealing with your child’s grandparents. (Note the plural: parents dealing.)

When you become the adult and make rules for your parents and in-laws that are more restrictive than they like, you should plan on having your boundaries tested. As with children, you should have a natural consequence ready, and then another consequence (at least) in reserve to add on for continued refusal to comply.

You are one of the smartest people on this forum. You know all of this. Actually doing it, though? Don’t skip step 4. You may want more than 4 people, even…)
 
While it’s wonderful if a grandmother wants to help and her daughter wants that help, I would argue that it would be far worse for the child if that help was to the detriment of the father bonding with the child and to the detriment of the comfort of the mother.
A good postpartum caregiver does not get in the way of new parents bonding with baby. There are very good helpers. Certainly new parents should always be discrete about who is allowed in the ‘nest’. A female turtle drops its egg in the sand and walks away. Humans are called to nurture for several years. Being too persnickety with Grandma from the start might not bode well for the future. She also needs to bond and have a sense of place in the new family. There is room for everyone at the table 😉 Think spaciously 🙂
 
Let us say your husband is Eric.

I think you have to
  1. say “no” means “no” and mean it. (Variation: “Hi, Mom. Oh, yes, Eric’s mom called, and she thinks we ought to change our minds about having you come to stay with us. You are going to love her. We’re not changing our minds. We have had everyone and their dog Mike call us, we’ve thought about it carefully, and we are sticking with the original plan. Sorry, but the discussion is closed.”)
  2. and then tack on: “…and if you show up anyway even though we asked you not to, we are going to get you a hotel room and you are going to stay there. I’m the parent this time, Eric (or whatever your husband’s name is) is the parent this time, and our number one rule for your grandchild is that we make the rules. No exceptions, you may as well realize now that we mean what we say and say only what we mean, and do not say we didn’t ever tell you that.”
  3. decide on natural consequences that will follow for people who intentionally violate your boundaries, ranging from “warning issued because maybe you didn’t quite understand” consequences, through “ten yard penalty and loss of down” consequences and all the way up to “ejected from the game” boundaries. (Let us hope no one gets themselves banned for life from the Hall of Fame.)
  4. then select the four people you are going to get pre-approval from as your guilt trip survival support group, so you won’t wear out one person with your venting.
  5. When the push back comes (and some day it almost surely will):
    a) enforce the boundary as you said you would
    b) repeat “the definition of a dysfunctional family is any family with more than one person in it. We may not be normal, but we are definitely typical. We’ll get through this.”
    c) try to laugh
    d) if laughing doesn’t work, call your Vent Support Network.
If you draw your line and defend it, you may get 20 years of snarky remarks, but you will get through it and this will pass. No, there is not an easier way, because the other way is to just parent exactly the way your parents tell you. (Tell me if that doesn’t curl your hair! :eek: :D)

You already know children test boundaries. Well, just think about it: Everyone does. Grown-ups test boundaries, too. When you went from child to adult, your parents may have even tested your adult boundaries. Even if they didn’t, the push-back you’re getting now seems to suggest they are going to test your boundaries as a parents dealing with your child’s grandparents. (Note the plural: parents dealing.)

When you become the adult and make rules for your parents and in-laws that are more restrictive than they like, you should plan on having your boundaries tested. As with children, you should have a natural consequence ready, and then another consequence (at least) in reserve to add on for continued refusal to comply.

You are one of the smartest people on this forum. You know all of this. Actually doing it, though? Don’t skip step 4. You may want more than 4 people, even…)
Most mammals are quite protective with the nest. Think of how the killdeer bird will go so far as fend intruders with the distraction of a pretend broken wing!!! Fortunately, we are humans and can think more spaciously than animals when it comes to being social. Although some humans are really quite good at creating unnecessary boundaries in the heart and home.

Yes I know a Killdeer is not a mammal.
 
There is room for everyone at the table 😉 Think spaciously 🙂
That’s the problem - a small apartment. Hard to “think spaciously” when you’re on top of each other.

My mother didn’t visit until about 6 weeks after my first child was born (can’t remember why - she may have still been teaching). In-laws came after about 4 weeks. Their choices. It worked out for me as I was a basket case - I was older & literally knew nothing about caring for babies! Husband taught me how to change diapers. 🙂
 
That’s the problem - a small apartment. Hard to “think spaciously” when you’re on top of each other.

My mother didn’t visit until about 6 weeks after my first child was born (can’t remember why - she may have still been teaching). In-laws came after about 4 weeks. Their choices. It worked out for me as I was a basket case - I was older & literally knew nothing about caring for babies! Husband taught me how to change diapers. 🙂
awww
Every situation is different. My dear mother meant well and I learned a quietude from her the brief time I had her after my NB came home. My MIL was busy on the phone with friends and work most of the time she ‘helped’ me. I learned what NOT to do observing her LOL.
Either way I appreciated their help and concern but was happy when they left.
The point is that they continued to be a part of my new family life for years to come. Grandparents go away when they die and then you miss them.
 
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