Graphic abortion pic outside of Catholic Church

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nodito said:
I think a parent should be able to bring her children to Church without worrying that they might be exposed to something horrific on the sidewalk out front.
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I agree with this as well. It upsets me too! You’d think you wouldn’t have to prove the horror of abortion in front of s Catholic Church but this is the world we live in.
 
pnewton said:
First of all, it is an unprovable and unlikely
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Not to me. I’ve held in my arms a baby who’s mother declared to me that her child would not be alive if not for "that picture ".
 
pnewton said:
What you suggest makes no more since than showing kids pictures of Islamic beheadings to discourage Muslim extremism.
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If I knew of a beheading and I was told holding a graphic sign might save that person, I’d be there with my sign. Even if it might upset someone.
 
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pnewton:
What you suggest makes no more since than showing kids pictures of Islamic beheadings to discourage Muslim extremism.
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If I knew of a beheading and I was told holding a graphic sign might save that person, I’d be there with my sign. Even if it might upset someone.
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That is not your call. Parents are the ones that have the right and the duty to protect their children from creeps and abusers of all kinds. I consider what you are proposing both creepy and abusive. If your goal is to offend people, damage legitimate pro-life work and traumatize children, an hope someone will be present to stop it.

I have a suggestion, By What Authority, follow your user name and get permission from your bishop, or even your priest, and I will withdraw my opposition, though I still would take my child to a different parish for his protection.
 
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pnewton said:
get permission from your bishop, or even your priest, and I will withdraw my opposition,
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Funny you say that. I have a dear friend who is a priest who fully supports this and might even be there holding a sign with me. (He’s retired so no need to worry about forced sabbaticals, lol)
 
How do you know that the photo of the aborted child is actually what you think it is?

Sometimes babies die at a very young age in the womb and need to be removed, sometimes a stillbirth is not an option for the mother. Are you 100% sure that the image you are using would be of a baby that is being aborted?

I don’t think that showing the image is a means to an end.

Again, dialogue and assistance is more important that shock imagery. If you care about aborted babies, talk to those who live in low socio-economic areas and help them raise children by creating free baby boxes, easy access to free or low fee childcare and much more.

Picketing is inherently selfish IMHO, it is more a statement about picketer. It benefits picketer because they feel like they’re helping. Many women who attend those clinics would say picketers don’t help, and that they alienate them even further.

How about creating a picket that says free baby boxes for all mothers here or we will help you with your newborn or we will say yes to life with you.

But no, choose the graphic imagery.

No wonder people don’t feel heard, or loved by the Church. Picketing is not the compassionate approach.
 
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LittleFlower said:
How do you know that the photo of the aborted child is actually what you think it is?

Sometimes babies die at a very young age in the womb and need to be removed, sometimes a stillbirth is not an option for the mother. Are you 100% sure that the image you are using would be of a baby that is being aborted?
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Yes, 100% sure. At the time I was carrying the picture of baby Malichi. I actually know a lot about him. He was found in a clinic refrigerator in Dallas Tx. He was killed by an abortionist with the last name “Prince”. He was 21 weeks old. Here’s a link to his story. http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/babymalachi.htm

Priest for Life always verifies their pictures. Most have pathologist reports attached.
 
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ByWhatAuthority said:
Priest for Life
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Fr Frank Pavone? Who put an aborted fetus on the altar of a Church?

Nope, nope, nope—I am not touching this one with a ten foot pole. 🤐

From the link:
Olivia Gans Turner, president of the Virginia Society for Human Life, told the Register that the videos had “the potential to harm and hurt” both women who live with the trauma of voluntary abortion and women who have experienced the grief of involuntarily miscarrying their babies.
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Turner, who is a Catholic and post-abortive mother, said she completely understands the urgency of fighting for an end to abortion by electing good people and “fighting the good fight to educate people about the true nature and horror of abortion.”
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She said she appreciates the work of the many people connected to Priests for Life, “who are committed 100%” to provide loving care and protection to unborn children and their mothers. However, she said that the use of graphic images of unborn babies’ corpses is traumatic “on many levels” to all women who have lost a child. The livestream, she explained, took this traumatic viewing even further.
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I love all your ideas! You really seem called to do all those things. I support you all the way! I feel called to carry these signs. So I hope I hope you can respect my approach as well. We all have the same goal, right?
 
Yes, we do.

However, as the quotes from the source I have posted—graphic imagery is not effective and is actually harmful.

I would strongly suggest that you reflect on what your goal is. If you want women to choose life, then you need to approach them in a manner that will allow them to do that and not in the manner that you think it correct.

It’s market research basically. You want someone to listen to your message and choose your option? Then approach them in a manner that will do that.

Bombarding these women with graphic imagery doesn’t achieve that.
 
LittleFlower said:
However, as the quotes from the source I have posted—graphic imagery is not effective and is actually harmful.
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I could never agree with you. The child I held in my arms (baby Mia) would also probably disagree. I think she loves life.
 
i’m sorry your priest is allowing pro-abortion advocates w/in a mile of your church

but to be 100% honest major “catholic” universities like notre dame, georgetown & boston college welcome pro abortion opinions & suppress pro-life

our Holy Father is giving priority to “other issues”

the Evangelical wing of the Protestant church is carrying the guidon for pro-life

the most "pro-abortion’ states in the USA are the bluest of the blue states in the NE , middle west & california; where the largest catholic populations live

it is a shame & a disgrace
 
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LittleFlower said:
Fr Frank Pavone? Who put an aborted fetus on the altar of a Church?
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Why do you take issue with this? Fr. Povone is awesome!!! I wish we could clone him. (He’d get upset about that. cloning is a no no, lol)
 
Don’t think graphic signs right in font of church as kids go by is the best move. That’s not how we do things as catholics, seems to me. Be prolife but use some discretion IMHO.
 
If the OP is in the United States, then as long as their sign doesn’t contain obscene material or hate speech and they abide by reasonable time, place and manner restrictions, they have freedom to speak in public places.

Whether it’s prudent or good judgment to do so may be a debatable subject, but free speech is a right and whether or not I like what’s being said, people should be able to practice that right within the boundaries defined by our courts.
 
ByWhatAuthority said:
I could never agree with you. The child I held in my arms (baby Mia) would also probably disagree. I think she loves life.
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But? You aren’t talking to those attending abortion clinics? You are just reaffirming you’re view point. The picketing is therefore only to benefit you, and that you feel like you are doing something.

If you wanted to really help women choosing abortion or debating whether to choose abortion you would choose a different method.
ByWhatAuthority said:
Why do you take issue with this? Fr. Povone is awesome!!!
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“Father Frank Pavone has posted a video on his Facebook page of the body of an aborted fetus, which is against the dignity of human life and is a desecration of the altar,” Bishop Patrick Zurek of the Diocese of Amarillo, Texas, …
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Source: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...esan-investigation-over-aborted-baby-on-altar

He desecrated an altar! 😡

And he is celebrated? What the?
 
LittleFlower said:
He desecrated an altar! 😡
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You are acting like that baby was nothing but something dirty that “defiled” the altar. Abortion is the desecration of life! I’m glad and proud that Fr. Povone recognizes that. I hope every Catholic in America sees that clip. The blood of the innocent is on the hands of those who are silent in the face of this horror.
 
aren’t those issues the same thing?

despite the straying of Mother Roman Church into politics, anti-trumpism, immigration & communion for divorced re-married catholics

the pro-life agenda seems to have been left to Father Pavone (who for whatever reason is no longer allowed on EWTN)

and the evangelical protestants
 
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