Greater Threat to Humanity: Abortion or Global Warming

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700 killed in intense heatwave in Chicago in 1995. by 2020 mortality rate in NYC due to global warming may increase by 145%

REgional climate stress due to global warming may increase malnutrion victims by 300 million each year.

The world’s leading authority on global warming, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), has concluded that unchecked global warming will cause a significant increase in human mortality due to extreme weather and infectious disease.

sierraclub.org/globalwarming/health/conclusions.asp

Global Warming Could Cause up to 10,000 Deaths Per Year in Asia-Pacific, WHO Official Says
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MILAN, Italy (AP) — Climate change may be to blame for some 150,000 deaths each year, with tropical places and poor countries being the most vulnerable, the United Nations’ health agency said Thursday. with some scientists warning that global warming could worsen over the next decades, and last summer’s heat wave blamed for more than 20,000 deaths in Europe, U.N. officials urged more attention be paid to how climate change might be harming health.
usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-12-11-climate-deaths_x.htm

WHO estimated that by 2030, climate change — which many blame on greenhouse gas buildup — could cause 300,000 deaths annually. (same link).

Then there are issues such as deaths of livestock, which I haven’t been able to find numbers on. public health depends on safe drinking water, sufficient food, secure shelter, and good social conditions. A changing climate is likely to affect all of these conditions.
 
The Drudge Report last night had three new and interesting reports on the phoniness of global warming and about how former AGW (anthropogneic [man-made] global warming] advocates were “converting” to scepticism.

www.drudgereport.com

[Visit www.drudgereport.com and click on archives and type in “global warming”. There’s a ton of stuff there. Too many to chase down the links and post them all here.]
 
The Drudge report also carried these two stories:

Stongest Snowstorm in half a century buries China.

Record cold of minus 35 degrees Registered at Watertown, NY.

I did not see any news story about the fallacy of global warming on the website, other than the old “Newsmax” thing on Al Gore, which is really an advertisment.
 
Valke2 said:
The Drudge report also carried these two stories:

Stongest Snowstorm in half a century buries China.

Record cold of minus 35 degrees Registered at Watertown, NY.

I did not see any news story about the fallacy of global warming on the website, other than the old “Newsmax” thing on Al Gore, which is really an advertisment.
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In the archives, there are 337 items for “global warming”. Here are the most recent that I referred to.

‘Global Warming Is Lies’ Claims New Documentary… ^
From the March 05, 2007 14:38:34 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

Prominent French Scientist Reverses Belief in Global Warming - Now a Skeptic… ^
From the March 05, 2007 13:21:30 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ Set to Rock Climate Debate… ^
From the March 04, 2007 19:12:02 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

‘Global Warming Is Lies’ Claims New Documentary… ^
From the March 04, 2007 19:12:02 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

EU likely to miss global warming goal… ^
From the March 02, 2007 17:09:41 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.
 
I read in the first article that the main person behind the documentry has just released a book claiming clouds are the cause of global warming. I guess ifyou turn over enough rocks, you are going to find a scientest that will say anything.
 
Valke2 said:
doesn’t matter. THe question is not how many have died from abortion vs. global warming. The question is what is the greater threat to humanity.

How many cities, homes, businesses and villages have been destroyed because of abortion?
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Ok, How many cities, homes, businesses and villages have been destroyed because of global warming? This is the playing field you always come back to so compare apples to apples.

Now let’s make it even easier how many cities, homes, businesses, and villages will be destroyed because of global warming? And I would ask for proof positive not mere conjecture.

I think that the one thing we can count on is that some people will get rich studying what might be. I wish we’d spend that money on helping Africa to finally get on its feet or even upon space exploration. Or even how we might finacially benefit from whatever happens with the climate.

CDL
 
Valke2 said:
Abortion is no threat to humanity whatsoever. No one believes that we are going to become extinct or that civilization will cease to exist because of abortion. Assuming that more abortions are committed each year than the amount of people now dying from global warming events, the fact is that global warming poses a real threat to humanity. Abortion does not.
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if you believe in junk seculer science youd come to the conclusion that globalwarming is a threat to huminty. but as a degreed meteorologist I dont follow junk science and as a catholic I realize there more than science. Im not going into all the benefits global warming can cause like longer growing seasons and making it possbile to grow food ever further north, or how its just part of a cycle byond our control. I do know this. God in the past has punished soicieties in the past for grave imorrality, and to think we are above that is pure folly. when God’s punishment comes to us for for abortion, Im just going to say " I told you so". the punishment wont be for meerly murdering the unborn, but for the broader sin of putting nature in front of human need, for worshiping the creation rather than the creator.
 
Valke2 said:
700 killed in intense heatwave in Chicago in 1995. by 2020 mortality rate in NYC due to global warming may increase by 145%

REgional climate stress due to global warming may increase malnutrion victims by 300 million each year.

The world’s leading authority on global warming, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), has concluded that unchecked global warming will cause a significant increase in human mortality due to extreme weather and infectious disease.

sierraclub.org/globalwarming/health/conclusions.asp
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Once again the Sierra Club got it wrong. The summer of 95 in Chicago was a only little warmer than normal, we often have temps in the upper 90’s. The coroner in Crook, err Cook County blamed any death that was remotely related to heat on the heat wave. If a homeless person would not go to a cooling shelter and insisted on staying outside in 3 coats during the heat wave and had a stroke and died the death was due to the heat wave. Old people who stayed indoors and would not open their windows because of fear of crime in their neighborhoods and died, their death was due to the heat wave. A person who had heart problems, smoked 2 packs a day, was 80 lbs over weight and had a heart attack walking home from the local tavern, their death was due to the heat wave. Why? Follow the money. Cook County wanted more money from the state and feds for social welfare programs like cooling/heating centers, more people on the payroll to check up on the elderly/sick, more cops to do nothing about the gangs, more money to help poor people pay their utility bills. All of this so that the people would be grateful for the handouts and continue to vote Democrat, never mind that they still live in a crime ridden slum, don’t have an education or job. What did all this have to do with global warming? Nothing!
 
KOLONIA, Micronesia (AP) — Rising seas due to global warming are engulfing small islands in the Pacific island nation of Micronesia, a local environmentalist says.
 
Lance said:
Once again the Sierra Club got it wrong. The summer of 95 in Chicago was a only little warmer than normal, we often have temps in the upper 90’s. The coroner in Crook, err Cook County blamed any death that was remotely related to heat on the heat wave. If a homeless person would not go to a cooling shelter and insisted on staying outside in 3 coats during the heat wave and had a stroke and died the death was due to the heat wave. Old people who stayed indoors and would not open their windows because of fear of crime in their neighborhoods and died, their death was due to the heat wave. A person who had heart problems, smoked 2 packs a day, was 80 lbs over weight and had a heart attack walking home from the local tavern, their death was due to the heat wave. Why? Follow the money. Cook County wanted more money from the state and feds for social welfare programs like cooling/heating centers, more people on the payroll to check up on the elderly/sick, more cops to do nothing about the gangs, more money to help poor people pay their utility bills. All of this so that the people would be grateful for the handouts and continue to vote Democrat, never mind that they still live in a crime ridden slum, don’t have an education or job. What did all this have to do with global warming? Nothing!
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Dying Alone
An interview with Eric Klinenberg
author of Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago

press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/443213in.html

The heat wave in July 1995 in Chicago was one of the worst weather-related disasters in Illinois history with approximately 525 deaths over a 5-day period.
sws.uiuc.edu/atmos/statecli/General/1995Chicago.htm At times during the heat wave tempetures reached 106 degrees.
 
People forget that during the time of Galileo the “scientific consensus” was for the Ptolmaic geocentric theory. But Kepler was right - even though his theory wouldn’t be proved by Galileo or anyone else during that century and wouldn’t conclusively be proven until the mid-1700’s.

In this past century, the “scientific consensus” of 1975 was that “for sure” we were entering a new Ice Age and “for sure” North America would be buried in ice a mile thick - the “scientific community” called for draconian socialist control of the economy, a quintuppling of THEIR research grants, and population control.

Funny how a mere 30 years later the same “scientific consensus” has changed to Global warming and their calls for more socialism are the same.

I think “science” proves beyond all doubt that the SUN does not produce heat at a constant level but has cycles. Cosmic radiation too is not constant, nor is the Earth’s magnetic field - the magetic north pole is shifting year by year.

These 3 factors have WAY MORE TO DO with earth weather patterns and heat distribution than anything else. But there’s more: volcanos spew far more particulate matter into the atmosphere PER YEAR than human industry does. And they’re not regular either.

Plus the geological record shows REPEATED COOLING AND HEATING CYCLES IN THE LAST MILLION YEARS…so it’s not unthinkable that we’re in a mini-heating cycle and eventually things will cool again, completely apart from human intervention.

You have to be skeptical of ANY person claiming to be “scientific” who demands instant global socialism (and perpetual power and influence for themselves, the new priestly caste) because of some pie in the sky, theoretical doom that MIGHT occur depending on what computer model they plug numbers into.

Global warming - if indeed it’s happening at all - is not so sudden or so dramatic that human ingenuity and freedom won’t be up to the task of handling. The only reason people die of famine or flood is politics, specifically centralized command economic politics.
 
Valke2 said:
Dying Alone
An interview with Eric Klinenberg
author of Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago

press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/443213in.html

The heat wave in July 1995 in Chicago was one of the worst weather-related disasters in Illinois history with approximately 525 deaths over a 5-day period.
sws.uiuc.edu/atmos/statecli/General/1995Chicago.htm At times during the heat wave tempetures reached 106 degrees.
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I live here and don’t need to read anything about the heat wave. That would be like a Titanic survivor needing to read about the last few minutes before she went down. I just told you how those deaths were accounted for. As for the infrstructure problems, most were caused more by years of neglect and many more happen every year. When you have temp swings of 100+ degrees you are going to have road, sewer and other utility problems. Check out how ComEd had neglected for years to upgrade their equipment because the rates were frozen.
 
“Rising seas due to global warming are engulfing small islands in the Pacific island nation of Micronesia, a local environmentalist says.”

Key word: “says”!

Who here believes the Pacific ocean is deeper today than it was yesterday? Last year? Last decade? If those little islands are being submerged then EVERYONE ELSE would notice it around the Pacific rim.

More than likely, if the islands are taking on water is the possibility that they’re subsiding into the ocean, not that the water is getting deeper… Venice and New Orleans’ substrata of rock and mud are slipping too - i.e. a problem of land sinking, not water rising.
 
Speaking of ConEd… another example of socialism failing the people they claim to serve… ever wonder why all the major cities run by democrats have become crime ridden, poverty stricken shells of their former glorious selves?

One reason of course is their politics of taxation that are perverse incentives for businesses and homeowners to LEAVE.

The second is their “well intentioned” schemes to help the poor which actually backfire into creating economic ghettos that hurt the poor by a) reducing job opportunities b) reducing incentives for businesses to INVEST in infrastructure and development in high tax zones and c) lock remaining businesses into zero profit growth while making them pick up the tab for increased services…which means maintainance and upkeep suffers!

If Democratics and Leftists in general were smarter and holier than the general population (as they claim to be) why pray tell are the cities and states they run such shambles? If their economic and civic policies are so enlightened and so wonderful in creating worker’s paradises…why, despite all the federal aid, are they not doing so well?
 
Joe_Stong said:
Speaking of ConEd… another example of socialism failing the people they claim to serve… ever wonder why all the major cities run by democrats have become crime ridden, poverty stricken shells of their former glorious selves?

One reason of course is their politics of taxation that are perverse incentives for businesses and homeowners to LEAVE.

The second is their “well intentioned” schemes to help the poor which actually backfire into creating economic ghettos that hurt the poor by a) reducing job opportunities b) reducing incentives for businesses to INVEST in infrastructure and development in high tax zones and c) lock remaining businesses into zero profit growth while making them pick up the tab for increased services…which means maintainance and upkeep suffers!

If Democratics and Leftists in general were smarter and holier than the general population (as they claim to be) why pray tell are the cities and states they run such shambles? If their economic and civic policies are so enlightened and so wonderful in creating worker’s paradises…why, despite all the federal aid, are they not doing so well?
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I have said it over and over, we have done horrible damage to the poor in the name of social justice.
 
I agree… the Church should focus on social solidarity as in “we’re all sinners, we all need God’s mercy” rather than perpetuate the class warfare/envy card of “the poor = good people who deserve everything/the rich=bad people who better give what we ask or else”.

Because a) that kind of guilt tripping doesn’t motivate as much as love and brotherhood does and b) it’s not true. People aren’t better (or necessarily worse) because of their economic standing. You shouldn’t love someone because they’re poor. You should love them because they’re PEOPLE. And in the same way, don’t love the rich because they’re rich, love them because they’re people.

There is tremendous spiritual poverty, spiritual wretchedness among the rich classes that isn’t solved by demanding they shell out money to the ‘poor’. Solidarity, brotherhood, a sense of being together in the Church as brothers of Christ would help.
 
Here is something I saved from another claim that islands in the South Pacific are drowning owing to global warming.
THE TRUTH ABOUT TUVALU A New Zealand climate scientist and a Pacific Island writer give assurances Tuvalu is not sinking.

Dr Vincent Gray: NZ CLIMATE & ENVIRO TRUTH NO 103 JUNE 15TH 2006 SNOW JOB ON TUVALU

Everybody knows about Tuvalu, It is becoming inundated by the rising sea level because of global warming. The New Zealand Government has recognised the plight of the embattled inhabitants by offering special deals for immigration. So have the Australians. It forms a regular topic at meetings of the Pacific Forum and beyond, and there cannot possibly be any disagreement on the matter.

A couple of years’ ago I was interviewed by the Dunedin-based Natural History Unit as part of documentary for the National Geographic Channel. I had over an hour to give my views on greenhouse warming, which I expected would appear in an internationally distributed documentary.

They sent me a copy of the final doco “to enjoy”.

I found that it was all about how Tuvalu is faced with imminent disaster, with a “moaning Minnie” lady persistently bemoaning the loss of her homeland from a comfortable flat in Brisbane. My contribution had been almost eliminated.

But Tuvalu reminds me of a comic song I used to sing of Gracie Fields called “He’s dead but he won’t lie down”. Tuvalu persistently refuses to subside.

A tide gauge to measure sea level has been in existence at Tuvalu since 1977, run by the University of Hawaii It showed a negligible increase of only 0.07 mm per year over two decades It fell three millimeters between 1995 and 1999.

The complete record can still be seen on John Daly’s website:

http://www.john-daly.com>www.john-daly.com
 
The ocean has claimed a sandy islet a couple of miles south of Pohnpei and split another nearby islet in the last five years, said Ben Namakin, an official with the Conservation Society of Pohnpei.

Namakin, whose home atoll of Kiribati has a mean elevation of less than 10 feet, said he’s worried about the future of Micronesia.

Pohnpei resident Rihse Anson said the sea is now just a few inches below her house floor after rising by about a foot in the last 20 years.

William Kostka, director of the nonprofit Micronesia Conservation Trust, fears residents could suffer a devastating loss of farmland with ocean levels predicted to rise by 7 to 23 inches by 2100

The oceans might even rise 4 to 8 inches higher than the projected 23 inches, depending on the rate of melting by polar ice sheets, according to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

The panel said human-induced global warming, caused primarily by the burning of fossil fuels, is also likely increasing the power of storms, which may flood the low-lying atolls of Micronesia.

seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600AP_HI_Micronesia_Vanishing_Islands.html
 
and yet, Global Warming gurus keep lying through their teeth just as they did in the 1970’s to jin up the big Ice Age scare, and Population Bomb scare…

I find it appalling that supposedly university trained people are so gullable as to believe any breathless report of doom and gloom coming from the prophets of disaster, but then turn a skeptics eye to spiritual prophets (such as Paul VI) who predicted all the sexual mayhem to follow from artificial contraception… the planetary prophets have always proven wrong, whereas Paul VI’s predictions came true.

Typically, the false-prophets are embraced by the spirit of the times, are fetted and honored, heaped with fortune and power, even as their predictions fall apart one after another. The real prophets’ are heaped with scorn and ridicule even as THEIR words prove true.

Yet the so-called “highly intelligent” among us who pride themselves on sophistication apparently can’t even figure out that water rising enough to wipe out islands would be rising everywhere else- enough to see it for themselves in San Francisco bay, on the beaches in LA, in Hawaii, and everywhere else in the world with beachfront property.
 
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