Greenday - American Idiot CD?

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Libero:
Then who is a realistic role model?
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You have to be kidding. Do you need someone to tell you who could be a better role model than Green Day? Try the lives of the Saints. They’re as realistic as you get, with their eyes fixed on the true reality–GOD!!! As Fr. Corapi said, being out of touch with reality is a good definition of insanity, and God is reality, so being out of touch with God is insanity!
 
You have to be kidding. Do you need someone to tell you who could be a better role model than Green Day? Try the lives of the Saints. They’re as realistic as you get, with their eyes fixed on the true reality–GOD!!! As Fr. Corapi said, being out of touch with reality is a good definition of insanity, and God is reality, so being out of touch with God is insanity!
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Well, I’m not kidding, I did add realistic in my comment, a 13 year old requires someone other than the saints, they need someone from the 21st century, not religious figures. perhaps a person who engages in religion, but they need a role model who would be more expectable from a non religious adolecent, rather than a middle aged devout catholic (nothing wrong with this, it’s jsut not that appropriate for a teenager) - if you understand what I mean.
 
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Libero:
Well, I’m not kidding, I did add realistic in my comment, a 13 year old requires someone other than the saints, they need someone from the 21st century, not religious figures. perhaps a person who engages in religion, but they need a role model who would be more expectable from a non religious adolecent, rather than a middle aged devout catholic (nothing wrong with this, it’s jsut not that appropriate for a teenager) - if you understand what I mean.
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WOW - you have surely been hoodwinked!
 
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You have to be kidding. Do you need someone to tell you who could be a better role model than Green Day? Try the lives of the Saints. They’re as realistic as you get, with their eyes fixed on the true reality–GOD!!! As Fr. Corapi said, being out of touch with reality is a good definition of insanity, and God is reality, so being out of touch with God is insanity!
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When is the last time one of the Saints released an album?
I think the problem some of the posters who are objecting to Green Day have is that they think you can only listen to one type of music. I listen to mainstream bands like Green Day, U2, Nickelback, and Evanescence. But I also listen to Christian bands like Sonicflood, ThirdDay, Newsboys, Jar of Clay, Steven Curtis Chapman, Michael W. Smith, D.C. Talk, Seven Sorrows, and Disarm. And I listen to Classical and neo-classical, by Bach, PDQ Bach, Vivaldi, enya, ect.
Most young people are like this, they listen to a wide range of different styles and sounds, and thanks to apple, we can carry thousands of hours in our pocket. And, some of you have been quite insulting with your opinion of young people’s discernment skills, so cut it out.
Yours in Christ,
Thursday
 
I have to agree with Thursday on that one issue, most of my friends listen to a large varity of music. Just as an example, my three favorite bands are Nirvana (angsty), Led Zeppelin (classic rock), CCR (classic rock + some blues). But not only that, but I also frequently listen to Rage Against the Machine (anti-government really), Guns N’ Roses (metal), Queen (what are they again? All well, they’re Queen, nuff said), Modest Mouse (indie), along with other people such as Green Day (not so much since they’ve become so much more emo), Bach, Rolling Stones, Willie Williams+Max Romeo (reggae), Radiohead, The Killers, and even those good ol’ blues such as Bessie Smith (1920’s era haha). So just as I’ve shown, I do not listen to one genre of music (of course some kids do) so just because I listen to say RAtM, I am not at all anti-government. If you are so affected by music that you start acting like the music may imply for you to act, then I think you have some issues yourself, such as being far to bendable to whatever is said to you. Hopefully this may make some sense.
 
Actually, you are making more sense. I do not believe one should only listen to strictly Christian or Catholic music. But I do not want to listen to music that is actively anti-Christian, uses profanity or the Lord’s Holy Name irreverently, etc. And if someone is trying to come closer to God, they can’t go wrong by eliminating such tastes 🙂
 
I have been listening to Green Day since their first album came out, so naturally I own this album.

I would let my 13 year old have it because even though some of the songs might deal with anger, sex, or profanity, I know that they would not engage in it because my child would be able to differentiate between “just listening” to "acting it out. That they can separate fantasy music from reality.

As far as the “Jesus of Suburbia” song. I noticed that only part of the lyrics are posted. This song is over 8 minutes long and I have listened to it many many times. My opinion is that they calling out people who say Jesus only loves them (ie: People who live in peace in suburbia). I find this to be the truth because I have actually met people like this.
 
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Libero:
Well, I’m not kidding, I did add realistic in my comment, a 13 year old requires someone other than the saints, they need someone from the 21st century, not religious figures. perhaps a person who engages in religion, but they need a role model who would be more expectable from a non religious adolecent, rather than a middle aged devout catholic (nothing wrong with this, it’s jsut not that appropriate for a teenager) - if you understand what I mean.
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There are plenty of saints from the 21st century! What better example for teenagers than those who perservered in the faith during our time? The saints aren’t just alabaster “religious figures.” They were sinners too who faced real struggle and hardship in their lives. They come in every ethnic background, age, occupation, vocation, etc.

It is essential to have good examples for good spiritual direction. Holding the saints up as examples for adolescents is better than settling for someone who is making millions of dollars (looking pretty successful) but at the same time ignoring or bashing the faith.
 
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I have been listening to Green Day since their first album came out, so naturally I own this album.

I would let my 13 year old have it because even though some of the songs might deal with anger, sex, or profanity, I know that they would not engage in it because my child would be able to differentiate between “just listening” to "acting it out. That they can separate fantasy music from reality.

As far as the “Jesus of Suburbia” song. I noticed that only part of the lyrics are posted. This song is over 8 minutes long and I have listened to it many many times. My opinion is that they calling out people who say Jesus only loves them (ie: People who live in peace in suburbia). I find this to be the truth because I have actually met people like this.
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What people actively say that Jesus loves them and only them? Or do you mean to say people who act as though Jesus only loves them?
 
Well, it’s interesting to see what my query has started. I’ve been busy enjoying the holiday with family out of town and haven’t been back to see what further transpired on this thread. It’s been an interesting read getting caught up.

You may be interested to note that after I printed out the lyrics and asked her to take a look at them, she agreed that much of the CD isn’t something she wants to support and she was fine with the idea of not buying it. She is reserving the hope that perhaps some of the songs might be ok, and we haven’t gone through them together to determine if I agree with her assessment, but I think we might be able to agree on a couple of songs.

I think I will bring up the fact that it might be prudent to not support a band who is writing and promoting music which sends such a destructive message. I do believe it is destructive to send the message, even if meant as allegory, that Jesus should be disrespected.

I greatly appreciate the referrals to the faithful alternative bands. I’ve tried looking up their lyrics or getting clips, but haven’t gotten very far as yet. I’ll keep trying. I’d really like to infiltrate her peer group, using my daughters listening as a vehicle, with good music which promotes healthy messages. Why should these kids only have access to the junk food equivalent of music? They deserve stuff that will lift them up.

For me, because I have such a faithful young lady for a daughter, it’s pretty easy. I give her guidance and she doesn’t rebel against it, she takes it for what it is, guidance given with her best interest in mind. I care for her soul and I desire that I aid her in becoming the best person she can be. So far, she really hasn’t been rebellious. I’d like to believe it’s because I’ve been a great parent, but I know I’ve been lucky, through the grace of God. She’s a good kid, and I want to do my darned best to ensure she stays such.

Again, thanks for all the (name removed by moderator)ut! It really helped me to see the wrong-thinking that goes behind the idea that music doesn’t really matter, it’s just sound being pumped into our brains.

God Bless,

CARose
 
We do subconciously absorb some of what we listen to.Whether we want to admit it or not. Song about death or despair or anger or other negative feelings would not be listened to if they did not have a catchy tune. As almost everyone has admitted so far, the “tune” is what catches you and keeps you listening,…then subliminal messages in the music are absorbed. Guard yourself and your children. Make concious deliberate choices about everything in your life.
 
I meant that there are some people who belive that Jesus only loves them. Maybe this is in my neighborhood, but where I live here there are not many Catholics. Mostly Southern Baptists here in TN.

I have legitimately met some people who thought that Jesus only acknowledged THEIR church and THEIR beliefs. These people just happened to live in a very nice suburb area here. That’s where I made the connection on this song.
 
It is essential to have good examples for good spiritual direction. Holding the saints up as examples for adolescents is better than settling for someone who is making millions of dollars (looking pretty successful) but at the same time ignoring or bashing the faith.
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It is important for a teen to have a spiritual role model, but also to have one other than that, it could be said that these saints from the 21st century have not had to live through the challenges of the 21st century, our world is changing so frequently, it is very unlikely that the majority of saints have experienced some of the more challenging issues that adolescents encounter nowadays, its always helpful to be able to admire someone who is still living, to see how they are responding to these controversial issues that are arising.
 
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CARose:
I don’t think the message they’re promoting through their lyrics is especially great
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The good news is that you can’t always understand the lyrics in today’s music. :dancing:
 
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Libero:
It is important for a teen to have a spiritual role model, but also to have one other than that, it could be said that these saints from the 21st century have not had to live through the challenges of the 21st century, our world is changing so frequently, it is very unlikely that the majority of saints have experienced some of the more challenging issues that adolescents encounter nowadays, its always helpful to be able to admire someone who is still living, to see how they are responding to these controversial issues that are arising.
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Even if it’s a bad example?
 
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ElizabethAnne:
Even if it’s a bad example?
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I think it’s better to have that kind of person to look up to, because if you’re going through bad times it’s nice to find somebody who you can relate to, or even a song.
Seeing as how we all have bad days, and some people just don’t want to listen to music with a positive religious message (they can channel their anger through a song, not hurting them or anybody else. Or “leading them away” from God – I doubt that would happen if they’re faithful to their religion).
 
I think listening to Greenday would be considered a near occasion of sin. Besides, I do not think that Greenday would bring any good in a persons life, instead it could bring wrong ways of thinking, permissiveness to sin, etc. There are plenty of other musicians that have good sounds and good lyrics that you could listen to instead of Greenday.

Here’s a little review of the album: pluggedinonline.com/music/music/a0001940.cfm

I see absolutely no reason why people would want to fill their minds with this music. ‘I like how it sounds’ is not good enough.
 
CA Rose, I can help you, if you are willing to take my advice. Here’s what you do:

Since you and your daughter decided Greenday was not for her, that part is settled. However, she probably would still like to hear some quality punk. So, encourage her to get the CD “Rock for Light” by the band “The Bad Brains.” It has all positive lyrics on it, many of which are religious. At the same time, it is a good album, not an atrocious piece of tripe like any “Christian” artist people are likely to reccomend. That is because it was made by people with real problems, who faced real discrimination as opposed to teenagers who wanted to start a band to impress the girls in youth group. also, it has the advantage of being one of the most important albums in hardcore/punk history. It will not only provide your daughter with listening pleasure, it will make her way cooler than buying “american idiot” would. For example, if her friends said, “hey american idiot is really good.” she could non-chalantly reply, “I guess if you like poppy stuff, but I’m more into real stuff like old 👍 bad brains.” Thus, this would be good for her soul, and for her street cred.
 
Quality punk would be stuff from the 70’s and 80’s; GG Allin, Sham69, The Casualties, The Adicts, etc.

I would understand why Green Day, and other bands, would say something bad about religion that you don’t approve of. A lot of religious people today are being overly zealous and shoving religion down peoples’ throats, all kinds of people believing their religion is the only one that’s true. There’s a lot of scandals. Hardly anybody likes the president, I’m assuming there are John Kerry fans on this board more than there are George Bush fans.
Be a good parent and shield your child from the truth and reality, though. 😛

Bad Brains… didn’t they smoke marijuana? :confused: shrug
I don’t know, I didn’t think they had positive lyrics with song titles like “Pay to Cum”, “Supertouch/Shitfit”. But then again, I don’t listen to them, and the lead singer’s voice is strange enough to the point where you can’t even understand the lyrics. :rotfl:
But, I’d think if she told somebody familiar with Bad Brains that she listens to them, that person would assume she listens to bands with not-so-positive lyrics. O_o

What’s going to stop your daughter from listening to Green Day when she’s an adult? What if she’s hanging out with friends and decides to “live a little” and listen to Green Day at her friends’ house? You won’t always have control over her, and their lyrics aren’t going to have her start cutting herself and “send her to Hell”.
 
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