Guess: is this church a protestant or Catholic church (picture)

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“Only what is required for the celebration of the mass”…

Would that include a small bowl of dirt and flowers, one wonders?
 
Catholic!!! I have the proof!!!

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OP, here –

To those who’ve made it clear they believe I have lied and that what I did was wrong, let me ask you this –

If I were to tell you that, upon zooming out even further from what’s in the original picture, it was revealed that what we see in the picture is actually a TV set, and there were no walls or any other architecture except for the little bit of ceiling we see in the picture, above which there are just lights and wires hanging as there are in any other studio where filming take place, and in the foreground you saw TV cameras and crewmembers working, would that change your mind about the “morality” of my original post (which you claim was duplicitous and wrong)? Then there would be THREE versions, all of which say something different.

Cropping the crucifix out was omitting the fact one was in this church. But I never told anyone they couldn’t simply guess that one might be just out of frame. I think a previous poster actually said “ well, we can’t see what is on either side, so we can’t tell. ” It’s that simple. I zoomed into the portion of this church that I thought was so barren that I felt compelled to share it widely.
 
Pitcairn17 said:
I agree with 1ke on all this. First, you posted a deliberately misleading title on your original post, because you KNEW this was a Catholic Church.
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I was sure before I opened the topic that it would be a Catholic Church the OP didn’t like.
 
Is that the same cat?

Certainly looks it. I always knew there was something suspicious about them.
 
The title isn’t misleading, it simply invites you to guess. Cropping the picture makes it harder to guess, but there’s really nothing on the line here - the OP didn’t mention any fabulous prizes for guessing correctly. Were you surprised when it turned out to be Catholic?
 
The Saint Abbess died around 659 AD but the cat should be the same… it is well known that cats have seven lives!!! 🤣
 
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The title isn’t misleading, it simply invites you to guess. Cropping the picture makes it harder to guess, but there’s really nothing on the line here - the OP didn’t mention any fabulous prizes for guessing correctly. Were you surprised when it turned out to be Catholic?
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Thank you! 😫

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Dovekin said:
…Nope. The altar is not the table by itself. It begins with the steps and includes all parts in the sanctuary.
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GIRM (2010)
  1. According to traditional practice, the veneration of the altar and of the Book of the Gospels is done by means of a kiss. However, where a sign of this kind is not in harmony with the traditions or the culture of some region, it is for the Conference of Bishops to establish some other sign in its place, with the consent of the Apostolic See.
  2. … The altar is incensed with single swings of the thurible in this way:
    a) if the altar is freestanding with respect to the wall, the Priest incenses walking around it;
    b) if the altar is not freestanding, the Priest incenses it while walking first to the right hand side, then to the left.
    The cross, if situated on the altar or near it, is incensed by the Priest before he incenses the altar; otherwise, he incenses it when he passes in front of it.
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Let me put it this way.

If you take a picture of the altar in any Catholic church, and crop out the stuff around it, it should appear barren. The altar itself is a primary image of the Eucharist that will be celebrated there. It will be prominent and central, drawing attention to itself. It is a focal point, and nothing but the celebration of the Eucharist can fill the vacancy.

There are altars with decoration. One near me has a carved imageof the twelve supporting the altar. Sometimes triptychs can be placed in front of an altar. Thesehave to be done carefully to avoid distracting from the altar waiting for the Lord, or distracting from the Lord present when the Eucharist is celebrated.

The original picture showed a Church that takes the altar seriously, making it central to the space it is in.
 
Ok. Well… below, please find further attempts on my part to deceive you with photos of altars that I have cropped to only show the altar – these are photos of churches only including the altar and whatever happens to be behind them.

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Oops! I did it again!
 
How many of these fulfill the requirements of the GIRM?
The altar, on which is effected the Sacrifice of the Cross made present under sacramental signs, is also the table of the Lord to which the People of God is convoked to participate in the Mass, and it is also the center of the thanksgiving that is accomplished through the Eucharist…
the altar should occupy a place where it is truly the center toward which the attention of the whole congregation of the faithful naturally turns.
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The point is that the altar is supposed to be the center of attention. You seem to be arguing that it should not be. These photos show that it is not always, but those could be counted as “liturgical abuses” since they do not even try to adhere to the GIRM. (most of them are probably exempt for historical reasons, so not abuses per se, but not good examples of following the liturgical rules.)

In most of these photos, if you crop out the tabernacles and crucifixes, you will see simple, barren altars. Just like the original photo.

Nice photos though. Thanks for posting.
 
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The point is that the altar is supposed to be the center of attention. You seem to be arguing that it should not be.
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The point?? The point of this thread was to invite people to guess. That has been totally lost at this point. And I never said the altar should not be the center of attention. I keep repeating that the original picture showed a spartan, barren, stark altar. Nothing about it not being the center of attention. What is wrong is bearing false witness and I feel you are not even making the smallest effort to step back and take a breath and understand that all these things you keep saying I did… didn’t happen.

And Oh. My. Word: none of the above churches fail to place the altar in the center. I manifestly do not understand that statement – do you just not see the altars right there? They’re there. They’re literally right there. In fact the last picture is Saint Francis Xavier on 16th street in Manhattan. A Jesuit from Fordham founded and built that church.
 
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