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starshiptrooper said:
Are you willing to kill people who have not harmed anyone else but possess an inanimate object that you find offensive?
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Again, as we tiresomely look at nations that have done this very thing -

Does this seem to be occurring? No. No it doesn’t. Thus your reply appears to be a fantasy perpetuated by the gun lobby upon the fearful and lacks any basis in actual reality.

For those that hold on to banned weapons in their home from the time before the bans; they just can’t leave the house. You can’t take them hunting or to the range without risking confiscation. They’re not going to shoot you in the process of confiscating your illegal weapon unless you threaten their lives - under which conditions they should shoot you.
Different culture.
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Empty, junk answer.

They’re literally among the places that are the most like America without actually being America.
 
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European hunters use them all the time and they’re not too hard to get from what I understand, for them anyway. I would love a suppressor for hunting and will likely get one someday for that purpose.

I looked into it and here in the states you have to pay a $200 stamp tax for each suppressor, in addition to the cost of the suppressor. You can set up a trust with family members so they can use it as well. The process takes several months.
 
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Theo520 said:
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silencers do not eliminate the noise it just reduces it. it is still at a level above the normal range. you still need ear protection
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My understanding is silencers were best utilized at the shooting range, where you are firing the gun many times and the extra weight is not really a hindrance.

Hunters will only fire their gun without hearing protection a couple times a year (hopefully they are not missing or having to take multiple shots very frequently)
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The “silencers are for protecting shooter’s hearing” argument has been sufficiently lampooned.

Allow me to introduce everyone to technology that does a better job at a lower price point without decreasing public safety:

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Vonsalza said:
The “silencers are for protecting shooter’s hearing” argument has been sufficiently lampooned.

Allow me to introduce everyone to technology that does a better job at a lower price point without decreasing public safety:
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Uhh, no
It also protects the hearing of people near the shooter.

The arguments for silencers are quite valid, even if slightly overstated
  • they protect the hearing of everyone near the shooting
  • they don’t mask the gun noise like the movies, they just tone it down to a safer level
  • they aren’t an accessory used by criminals
There is no valid reason to make them illegal
 
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Theo520 said:
Uhh, no
It also protects the hearing of people near the shooter.
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For those folks, there’s also some pretty nifty technology.

For fellow shooters;
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For non-shooters;
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You kinda forgot to address the points I made.
Also if you are shooting in a rural location, it helps keep down the noise for people near by but not right next to the shooter. Your neighbor then won’t wish he had plugs in.
 
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Hearing protection isn’t really practical while you’re hunting. I like to hear things around me while I’m walking through the woods. I’m saving up for that ridiculous tax stamp so I can get a suppressor.
 
Yes, it clearly is beyond you.

I’ve never suggested it was essential, just something that would be nice to have when shooting.
There really are no legal justifications not to allow them broadly, they aren’t a crime accessory
 
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Theo520 said:
Yes, it clearly is beyond you.
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Oh the tiresome, obviously close-minded conservative hand-waving… 😴
I’ve never suggested it was essential, just something that would be nice to have when shooting.
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I never suggested that you made any such claim.
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they aren’t a crime accessory
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Wasn’t the federal language in the 30s about them due to the St. Valentines Day Massacre?
 
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I made points, and you evaded them.
That’s just deflection on your part, not hand-wringing on mine.
 
Theo520 said:
I made points, and you evaded them.
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No. I informed you that fellow shooters could also use ear protection and non-shooters can use their hands/fingers.

But lets not let common sense get in the way of good conservative pontificating!
 
They are legal, you just have to jump through bureaucratic hoops and pay $200 dollars a pop for them. I’ll go through the process to get one, but if I didn’t care about the law it would be easy to get one, or even make one. The basic design isn’t complicated.
 
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That there are alternatives obviously used, doesn’t refute any of the points I made.
 
Never shot a .223Rem bolt gun suppressed, but my dermatologist and various state law enforcement swear by them for varminting.

For all those complaining about “silencers” … I’m sure that Youtube has some video clips of people shooting AR platforms with “cans.” They don’t make them whisper quiet. There’s just too much gas venting, etc. Probably the quietest you’re going to find in a rifle is a bolt gun with subsonic ammo.

At the other end of the spectrum are muzzle brakes, which most hunters I know of don’t like.

Apart from being stolen, and a crappy homemade one, I haven’t seen a suppressor used in criminal activities out here in the nearly decade I’ve been here. Most gang banger drive-by’s aren’t suppressor fests either, hard enough to shoot sideways and upside down with a regular gun let alone one with stuff hanging off of it 🙂
 
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