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Bradskii said:
You have a gun culture. Your country is overloaded with them. It’s not unusual to own one. It’s not unusual to discuss them as a means of defence (even from your own government!). It’s not unusual for people to take them to church. It’s not unusual to have armed guards at schools. It’s not unusual to drop a term like ‘corner gun shop’ into a discussion and not blink an eye.

If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. You’ve grown up inside this bubble and you don’t know any different.
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Why don’t you understand the concept or correaltion, or cause and effect.

Except for armed guards in schools, all the points you mentioned have been at play for well over a century. It’s only in the last two decades that mass shootings at schools has become a thing, it has another societal change as it’s cause.
 
There’s this place where people keep sharks in their pools. Hey, it’s entirely normal. They sell sharks in corner shops, in supermarkets. Even schools have them in their pools. Everyone thinks it’s fine. And yeah, some people fall in and get eaten.

But recently there have been a lot more deaths. And some people say it should be regulated. You should have checks before you can keep these things in your pool. But shark owners say that’s rubbish. It’s the kids these days, lack of parental supervision, drugs and booze. They don’t understand cause and effect. They have no idea about correlation.

And you tell someone about this place and they are like: ‘What? They keep sharks in their backyard? I think they are missing the obvious here!’
 
Guns hold the US back a lot. It’s not 1788 anymore, there’s literally zero need for an armed population, and it actually causes a huge amount of pain, as many high school students have sadly found out for themselves.
 
I’ve heard about Australia’s shark problem. I certainly would not go swimming there. Have they considered arming hunters to get rid of the sharks? Maybe the thousands of U.S. Military personnel protecting your nation could lend a hand, too. 😎
 
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TheOldColonel said:
They also appear quite dangerous to the user and everyone nearby as they operate by decreasing the user’s grip on the weapon. That flies in the face of any concept of gun safety or responsible ownership.
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Thanks. I don’t know much about guns, I’ve never owned one, and this is informative. I was never in favor of bump stocks because, as I think you said above, a weapon that is effectively a full-auto weapon is not needed for self-defense, but I wasn’t aware that it also made the weapon less safe.
 
Yes, full auto or weapons with a bump stock are much more dangerous. Instead of controlling and pointing the weapon once per shot, you have to fight to keep it on your target as it keeps shooting. It’s more like trying to control a fire hose.
 
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Bradskii said:
Yes, it’s because guns are part of your culture, that you have (and I can’t believe I have to spell this out) a gun culture! … The problem is staring you in the face and you don’t see it.
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If you’re really serious about reducing violence, especially lethal violence, then read on.
There is a well established drinking culture in Australia of ‘drinking to get drunk’, whereby the consumption of alcohol, frequently at excessive and harmful levels … Key issues in alcohol-related violence | Australian Institute of Criminology

37% of victims known to have consumed alcohol died in a domestic homicide. The same proportion died in an acquaintance homicide. …
http://crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/
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Now ask your mates at the pub, “It’s a cultural problem and the problem is staring us in the face! Think of the children. Who’s going to join me to support banning alcohol?” Let us know how that works out for you.
 
Voted no. I’d rather not go running around with a gun in a holster like a cop. I’d rather the only folks who have guns be police and military personnel. Other than that, I’d rather have people using guns only in fiction novels, comics, movies, video games, and tv shows.
 
Hey, no problem. It’s been well know for as long as I can remember that Australia has a drinking culture. And it causes problems. And the answer is…to change the attitude that people have to drink. That’s what every reasonable parent tries to do with his kids.

You can put all the checks and balances into place that you want. You used to be able to share a few beers down at Bondi beach. But not any more. Then they restricted the hours that you were allowed to buy booze. Then restricted the number of drinks you could buy at the bar in clubs. And tightened access to pubs if you were already a little drunk. And hey, some of them work. But to solve the problem, what do we really need to do? We don’t ban booze. We just need to change the culture.

Get it?
 
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You have a less than 5% of being in a traffic accident, but you still wear your seatbelt, right?
 
And if someone breaks into your house, are you just going to sit there and wait for the police (which could take 5 or 10 minutes)?
 
It appears that you do actually get it. Drinking booze out of a brown paper bag is generally a sign of a drinking culture gone bad.

Should we then ban booze? Should we then penalise everyone whether they use alcohol responsibly or not?

Nah. We change people’s attitude to booze. You go to the root of the problem. Extrapolate from that as you will.
 
Bradskii said:
It appears that you do actually get it. … You go to the root of the problem. Extrapolate from that as you will.
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Most on this forum get it. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn got it. Atheism murdered 60 million of his countrymen.

Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
 
The right to keep and bear arms is really the right of self defense and the right of self defense is an integral part of the right to life.

Anytime there is a suggestion to deprive someone of some sort of firearm the question should be asked if they really deserve to have their right to life infringed upon.
 
Indeed. We finally get what you’re saying. 😎

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America is not a Banana Republic.
 
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As far as I know, she’s an atheist… a real bad case. 😎
 
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