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Bradskii said:
It’s telling that you effectively agreed with every point. And the fact that you consider, for example, ammo being sold next to the fluffy toys is entirely normal just goes to prove the point. Weapons are part of your culture.
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Do you really think it significant that the same store sells such disparate items as ammunition and…other things? Is it all that suspect to find spaghetti and rat poison in the same store, or is it somehow meaningful to have walls separating one thing from another?

Nor have I actually agreed with any of your points, let alone all of them. Your “arguments” lie entirely in the way things are presented as opposed to the way they are, your last comment exemplifying your approach. That a problem has not been solved hardly means that it has not been addressed, or more improbably, that no one considers it a problem. I don’t think you have a firm grasp with what “our” culture is.
 
I found this Cat burgling my house. Luckily i had a gun.

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Problem is i keep letting him go, and he keeps coming back.
 
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Bradskii:
It’s telling that you effectively agreed with every point. And the fact that you consider, for example, ammo being sold next to the fluffy toys is entirely normal just goes to prove the point. Weapons are part of your culture.
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Do you really think it significant that the same store sells such disparate items as ammunition and…other things? Is it all that suspect to find spaghetti and rat poison in the same store, or is it somehow meaningful to have walls separating one thing from another?

Nor have I actually agreed with any of your points, let alone all of them. That a problem has not been solved hardly means that it has not been addressed, or more improbably, that no one considers it a problem. I don’t think you have a firm grasp with what “our” culture is.
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Let me put it this way. I have travelled a lot. And I mean a lot. The countries I have visited run into the dozens. Including many months spent in the US. And I have never, and I mean never, seen such an attitude to guns as I see in America. There is a fixation that you have with them that has never been apparent anywhere else I have ever been.

I literally can’t recall seeing guns for sale anywhere except America (with the exception of Australia, where I have seen 2 or 3 gun shop in the last twenty years or so - yes, we still sell them and yes, you need a damn good reason for having one).

But you only have to stroll around any town in the States and you can’t avoid guns. Pawn and guns, hunting stores, gun fairs, ammo next to the kids’ toys. To anyone from outside the US, and you obviously don’t appreciate this, it is simply bizarre.

Short story to highlight your problem: We were in Rapid City just last week and heading back to the hotel after a few brews and passing the local high school which was literally opposite where we were staying. I found a students ID card on the road so I thought I’d take it in the next morning. As I was leaving after breakfast, my wife said, in all seriousness: ‘Why not leave it at the front desk and get them to ring the school. It will be safer’. And I said: ‘No, it’ll be OK. I won’t do anything stupid.’

Then I realised as I was walking across the road that we’d just had a discussion about the possibility of me getting shot just walking into a school. And we weren’t making a joke. There were no knowing looks and a wry smile. This wasn’t dark humour at the expense of the US.

So this is a gun culture. When you automatically factor in the fact that the school you are about to enter has an armed guard at the entrance who might consider you a threat.

I don’t know if you’ve been outside the US. I don’t know if you’ve considered how other countries view guns. I know you probably don’t give a damn. But it’s a real thigh slapper, a real laugh out loud, coffee through the nose moment when you claim that you don’t actually have a gun culture.

This is why you ain’t going to solve your problem. You are in denial and hence part of the problem.
 
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Then I realised as I was walking across the road that we’d just had a discussion about the possibility of me getting shot just walking into a school.
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Just so I understand: is it the fact that buying guns is legal in the US and not in other countries that means we have a gun culture? What is a “gun culture”? If a gun culture is an obsession with guns then that is not what you see here as I doubt that most Americans give any more thought to guns in a sporting goods store than to the availability of hunting knives, or bows and arrows. Or is this what makes us a gun culture - that we take them for granted and don’t obsess over them?

That you have so little grasp of our country that you actually thought you might get shot walking into a school suggests that you are not nearly as familiar with us as you think you are.
 
I do not have a concealed carry license, but I find that the people I have met( here in Texas) who do have a lot of useful safety knowledge. I would like to take the concealed carry course and become certified just to know what they know. Almost like taking a first aid course, you know what to do in certain situations. Whether that would result in me actually concealed carrying I cannot say.
 
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Bradskii:
Then I realised as I was walking across the road that we’d just had a discussion about the possibility of me getting shot just walking into a school.
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Just so I understand: is it the fact that buying guns is legal in the US and not in other countries that means we have a gun culture? What is a “gun culture”? If a gun culture is an obsession with guns then that is not what you see here as I doubt that most Americans give any more thought to guns in a sporting goods store than to the availability of hunting knives, or bows and arrows. Or is this what makes us a gun culture - that we take them for granted and don’t obsess over them?

That you have so little grasp of our country that you actually thought you might get shot walking into a school suggests that you are not nearly as familiar with us as you think you are.
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What on earth are you arguing about? This truly bizarre…

Yes, for heaven’s sake. Yes, it’s because you take guns for granted. Yes, it’s because there isn’t a town in America that doesn’t have a gun shop. Yes, it’s because you have armed guards, not just in your banks, but in your schools. Yes, it’s because a reasonable proportion of people in any given bar are carrying guns. Yes, it’s because the suggestion that you arm nurses and teachers isn’t treated as bat s*** crazy. Yes, it’s because well over 300 shootings a day is seen as normal. Yes, because nearly 40,000 Americans are killed by guns each year. Yes, because at least 1 in 3 households have guns. Yes, because the States have the higherst gun ownership figures on the planet. Yes, because it’s actually written into your constitution that you are allowed firearms.

Yes, it’s because guns are part of your culture, that you have (and I can’t believe I have to spell this out) a gun culture!
 
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@Bradskii, why are you so obsessed with guns, most of us aren’t.
 
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upant said:
@Bradskii, why are you so obsessed with guns, most of us aren’t.
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I keep dropping out of the conversation because most people don’t want one. I just pop back in whenever there has been another mass shooting. See you next time…
 
Bradskii said:
What on earth are you arguing about? This truly bizarre…

Yes, it’s because guns are part of your culture, that you have (and I can’t believe I have to spell this out) a gun culture!
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I was trying to get you to define what a “gun culture” is. Now I understand: it’s “because guns are part of [our] culture.” Kind of like sheep are part of yours and cheese is part of France’s.
 
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but in your schools
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Are school resource officers only a thing in the US? I mean this seriously.
Bradskii said:
Yes, it’s because a reasonable proportion of people in any given bar are carrying guns.
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Anywhere from 500,000 to 3 mil occurences of defensive uses of handguns in the US. So, let’s say that 1 in 1,000 defensive uses of handguns prevents a murder. **That’s 5,000 innocent civilian lives saved by those ‘crazy, gun-obsessed Americans’
Bradskii said:
Yes, because nearly 40,000 Americans are killed by guns each year.
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And even more are killed by blunt force trauma. Will we ban baseball bats or crowbars?
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Yes, because the States have the higherst gun ownership figures on the planet.
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Yes, because it’s actually written into your constitution that you are allowed firearms.
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Yes, because humans have a fundamental right to self-defense.

Look, I agree things have to change in the US in regards to gun laws. But, it’s a multifaceted problem, and to just say get rid of the guns! won’t help anything.
 
New York has one the strictest gun laws in the nation yet the amount of guns being carried around, especially in the rural areas, is astonishing.

I can see why foreigners see the US as being obsessed with guns. It’s like an indispensable part of American manhood.
 
The guns have always been sold like you describe, there is no change that would correlate with increased school schootings. The availability has been persistent and does not correlate with violence.

Heck, there is almost and inverse correlation within the states. It’s places like Chicago where gun stores are rare that have the biggest problem with the violence.
 
Has anyone been able to figure out what the title of this thread is supposed to mean? It’s like it was titled by a robot.
 
Yes, guns have always been freely available. No, there has been no change that would indicate a change in gun related deaths.

Colour me bemused. The problem is staring you in the face and you don’t see it.
 
Then perhaps you should articulate it since you agreed with my analysis that it’s not related to corner gun stores.
 
If he’s not scared off by a 1911, looks like you might have to escalate the situation.
 
You have a gun culture. Your country is overloaded with them. It’s not unusual to own one. It’s not unusual to discuss them as a means of defence (even from your own government!). It’s not unusual for people to take them to church. It’s not unusual to have armed guards at schools. It’s not unusual to drop a term like ‘corner gun shop’ into a discussion and not blink an eye.

If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. You’ve grown up inside this bubble and you don’t know any different.
 
The problem is a God-less society where familial male role models are either absent or emasculated, and kids are well fed but malnourished. The kids also spend every possible waking hour on electronic devices, whereon they also have free access to graphic, dehumanizing violence. As a result they develop behavioural and cognitive problems at a young age and in increasing numbers, for which they are administered powerful psychotropic drugs which exacerbate their dislocation from reality.
Then the devil and his horde of demons have easy influence, seeing as how there’s usually no solid Christian formation or faith as a bulwark.
Ultimately, this is all the result of rejection of God.
 
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