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Grand Forks police seek suspect who pistol-whipped woman in home invasion

Grand Forks Police are searching for the man who broke into a home, pistol-whipped a woman and robbed her Friday night. Officers were dispatched to a home invasion in the 300 block of Circle Drive East involving injuries at 10:16 p.m. Friday, acc...
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Authorities: Leads pursued in northern Minn. home invasion case where shots were fired

BACKUS, Minn. -- The Cass County Sheriff’s Office continues to pursue tips in an attempt to locate the suspect involved in the Sept. 16 home invasion case in which a homeowner shot at the intruder who fled the scene in rural Backus in northern Minnesota.
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Suspect in home invasion shot, killed by Mille Lacs deputy

VINELAND, Minn. - A 20-year-old man involved in an armed home invasion and assault late Thursday night in northern Mille Lacs County was shot and killed by a responding sheriff's deputy, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension reported Friday.
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Minnesota man seriously injured confronting burglar in home invasion

BRAINERD, Minn. - A Brainerd man suffered serious injury to his hand after another man allegedly broke into his home and assaulted him Thursday, Oct. 20, night.Brodie Damon Barrows, 23, was charged Friday in Crow Wing County District Court with t...
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And, this is just from one newspaper out of Grand Forks, ND.
 
Vonsalza said:
Why would the chart need to show abrupt shifts?

Even in charts related to abortion, there was a bit of a time lag where women who wanted them still didn’t get them because they used to be illegal. To the women, they still “felt” illegal.
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I would expect an abrupt shift would follow gun confiscation. One year they were there, the next they weren’t. If guns were causal, it’s what data would show.
 
I grew up in Montana so gun ownership was part of my upbringing. We learned how to treat them responsibly.

I now do not own any guns any longer nor do I care to. Some hing has happened to gun culture since I was a youth and my personal opinion of gun culture today is that it is sick and plays it’s own part in the culture of death. I don’t want any part of it.
 
The NFA requires ATF to maintain a central registry of all NFA weapons, including silencers, that are “not in the possession or under the control of the United States,” i.e., silencers owned by state or local entities, as well as those legally owned by private persons, are included in the registry. For each registered silencer, the registry includes: An identification of the silencer, including serial number; name and address of the manufacturer, maker, or importer, if known; model; and caliber, gauge, or size. The date of registration.
The identification and address of the person entitled to possess the silencer.
 
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Vonsalza:
Why would the chart need to show abrupt shifts?

Even in charts related to abortion, there was a bit of a time lag where women who wanted them still didn’t get them because they used to be illegal. To the women, they still “felt” illegal.
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I would expect an abrupt shift would follow gun confiscation. One year they were there, the next they weren’t. If guns were causal, it’s what data would show.
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Ah, then per your data analytic skills, 1973’s Roe V. Wade decision didn’t have much effect on abortion as it was well on the climb before the decision.

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Of course, what’s more likely is that your methodology might require adjusting.
 
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Your chart shows a marked increase in abortions post legality, Clearly shows the legal change was causal
 
I own firearms for self-defense, hunting, and recreation (vermin hunting). Don’t see anything about the “culture of death” there.
 
tad said:
I grew up in Montana so gun ownership was part of my upbringing. We learned how to treat them responsibly.

I now do not own any guns any longer nor do I care to. Some hing has happened to gun culture since I was a youth and my personal opinion of gun culture today is that it is sick and plays it’s own part in the culture of death. I don’t want any part of it.
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It’s not gun culture; it’s violence culture.
 
Theo520 said:
Your chart shows a marked increase in abortions post legality, Clearly shows the legal change was causal
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Similarly, the chart showing the burglaries in England shows a marked reduction after the gun ban, yet in that case you dismissed it because it was already going down.

Abortion was already going up, so by your rhetoric, Roe V. Wade didn’t have an effect.

In all honesty, you’re being inconsistent here and I think most everyone sees that, even if you don’t.

Trying to withhold snark as best I can, in econometrics, R-squared tests are sometimes used to try and identify causality. These tests can have 100s of theoretical variables and the coefficient that determines the effect-magnitude of a specific variable is never very large in complex cases (The sum of ALL coefficients cannot be greater than 1). So even when one variable changes (like a given law), there are still many other variables that contribute in determining where a line may land on a chart.

Frankly, your expectation that “markets” quickly and identifiably react to a disruption makes you a quintessential classical economist.

This is a position that has been revised away. We can see that there was no material change in the slope of the abortion line when Roe v. Wade was decided, ergo your position would argue the law was potentially irrelevant to how many abortions took place in the US.

I think we pretty well know that’s wrong.

Again, trying to withhold the snark, here.
 
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tad:
I grew up in Montana so gun ownership was part of my upbringing. We learned how to treat them responsibly.

I now do not own any guns any longer nor do I care to. Some hing has happened to gun culture since I was a youth and my personal opinion of gun culture today is that it is sick and plays it’s own part in the culture of death. I don’t want any part of it.
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It’s not gun culture; it’s violence culture.
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Honest to God, Monte, I think we would exercise better sportsmanship, citizenship and public safety if folks were limited to bolt, lever and wheel guns as far as easy, over-the-counter purchases go.

I really believe that.
 
Vonsalza said:
Abortion was already going up, so by your rhetoric, Roe V. Wade didn’t have an effect.
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Abortion was going up before Roe because about 1/3 of the states made abortion legal between 1967-1973. That is, the uptick in abortion coincides exactly with its legalization.
 
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Vonsalza:
Abortion was already going up, so by your rhetoric, Roe V. Wade didn’t have an effect.
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Abortion was going up before Roe because about 1/3 of the states made abortion legal between 1967-1973. That is, the uptick in abortion coincides exactly with its legalization.
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Sure, and the down-tick in burglary in England coincides with the gun ban.

In both cases, the trend line began before the momentous event. I’m having a nice laugh watching everyone try to tell me why it’s different between the cases, lol. 🤣
And to be clear, there were absolutely abortions being done in the US before 1968. They just weren’t reputably tracked so the numbers before then are dubious.
 
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Vonsalza said:
And to be clear, there were absolutely abortions being done in the US before 1968. They just weren’t reputably tracked so the numbers before then are dubious.
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So you are saying the chart you supplied is meaningless 🤨
 
Theo520 said:
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Vonsalza:
And to be clear, there were absolutely abortions being done in the US before 1968. They just weren’t reputably tracked so the numbers before then are dubious.
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So you are saying the chart you supplied is meaningless 🤨
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No, I’m saying your expectation that trends move simply and obviously is “non-realistic”, to put it politely,
 
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Theo520 said:
But why did you share a chart that doesn’t represent actual data?
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Because the data before 1968 doesn’t credibly exist.

But it doesn’t need to. Roe was handed down at the end of 73. The rise in abortion between 68 and the start of 74 was hyper-aggressive and Roe doesn’t seem to change it.
 
Vonsalza said:
No, I’m saying your expectation that trends move simply and obviously is “non-realistic”, to put it politely,
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RvW changed the law for the whole US. Recorded increases prior to the SCOTUS decision would obviously reflect states that were ahead of the shift in legalizing the procedure.
 
Then what’s to stop someone from practicing and them ‘mad-minuting’ their way through a school with a Springfield or a Henry?
 
Vonsalza said:
Honest to God, Monte, I think we would exercise better sportsmanship, citizenship and public safety if folks were limited to bolt, lever and wheel guns as far as easy, over-the-counter purchases go.

I really believe that.
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you don’t think a wheel gun with several speed loaders could do the same damage? now in a crowd situation where spray works it would reduce it some but the perp could just have multiple guns. in a school situation where the perp is walking he has plenty of time to reload and 2 wheel guns can create substantial damage. you overlook the evil intent. taking away the tool doesn’t eliminate the evil intent.
 
Theo520 said:
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Vonsalza:
No, I’m saying your expectation that trends move simply and obviously is “non-realistic”, to put it politely,
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RvW changed the law for the whole US. Recorded increases prior to the SCOTUS decision would obviously reflect states that were ahead of the shift in legalizing the procedure.
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Huh… you’d have thought such a law would really change that graph if your data analysis methodology was sound…
 
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