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[Vonsalza]

Then what’s to stop someone from practicing and them ‘mad-minuting’ their way through a school with a Springfield or a Henry?

Nothing.

But it’s harder to rack up the same body count with a Henry or Springfield than with an AR15 with a 30rd quick-release mag.

With that Henry, you’ve got to reload twice and with that Springfield 6 times in order to put the same amount of lead downrange as an AR does with 1 mag.

And even still, you can get even larger mags for that AR… Think there’s a 100 rounder out there.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Honest to God, Monte, I think we would exercise better sportsmanship, citizenship and public safety if folks were limited to bolt, lever and wheel guns as far as easy, over-the-counter purchases go.

I really believe that.

you don’t think a wheel gun with several speed loaders could do the same damage?

I do!

But not as fast. And When it comes to wheel guns, I’ve used speed loaders. Have 'em for my 357.
They speed up loading the gun… a little bit… But dropping fresh rounds in the cylinders is only part of the reloading process for a 6 gun and that’s the only part of the process a speed-loader actually speeds up.

Anyone who thinks a 6 gun with speed loaders can get as fast as drop-n-swap Glocks has absolutely been smokin’ the cheeba.

taking away the tool doesn’t eliminate the evil intent.

No, and we can’t do much about that.

But making him use a less lethal tool lowers the destructive capacity of that evil intent - which is what it’s all about.

 

[upant]

Anyone who thinks a 6 gun with speed loaders can get as fast as drop-n-swap Glocks has absolutely been smokin’ the cheeba.

no one said as fast. but when the perp is walking the hall to the next room, the time to reload becomes less of a factor especially when no one is fighting back.

 

[Maximilian75]

Ah, what a timely reference considering what today is…

‘Smokin’ the cheeba’ :,D

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Anyone who thinks a 6 gun with speed loaders can get as fast as drop-n-swap Glocks has absolutely been smokin’ the cheeba.

no one said as fast. but when the perp is walking the hall to the next room, the time to reload becomes less of a factor especially when no one is fighting back.

Sure, we can always paint the perfect scenario where some feature like reduced speed is irrelevant.

But in most of these cases, the victims are running their tails off. Stopping to reload arguably saves lives.
And when he kicks a classroom door open and starts mowing them down, if he has 2 guns he’s got 12-14 shots. In a classroom of 30, he’s going to have to reload ore than once to finish them all. I doubt he’d get the chance to do that.

 

[Vonsalza]

Ah, what a timely reference considering what today is…

‘Smokin’ the cheeba’ :,D

Hahaha! Thats right!

 

[upant]

But making him use a less lethal tool lowers the destructive capacity of that evil intent - which is what it’s all about.

except are the options always less lethal? unless you ban all semis, including handguns, the ar ban is just feel-good legislation.

the ar ban is just part of the incremental bans that will lead to a total ban on all semi-auto weapons. eventually, under the 2A, all you will be allowed to own is a single shot shotgun.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

But making him use a less lethal tool lowers the destructive capacity of that evil intent - which is what it’s all about.

except are the options always less lethal? unless you ban all semis, including handguns, the ar ban is just feel-good legislation.

the ar ban is just part of the incremental bans that will lead to a total ban on all semi-auto weapons. eventually, under the 2A, all you will be allowed to own is a single shot shotgun.

This is, essentially, a slippery slope fallacy and I addressed it earlier.

The more intense you make gun control laws, the fewer Americans there are to support it. By the time you’re polling about an absolute ban of all guns, only a tiny fraction of broader society supports that.

It’s a non-real fear. Like the boogey-man.

And as far as the 2a goes, I’ve also said earlier - the rifle became irrelevant to guaranteeing your freedom once the main battle tank rolled off the production line.

 

[upant]

But in most of these cases, the victims are running their tails off. Stopping to reload arguably saves lives.

And when he kicks a classroom door open and starts mowing them down, if he has 2 guns he’s got 12-14 shots. In a classroom of 30, he’s going to have to reload ore than once to finish them all. I doubt he’d get the chance to do that.

the parkland shooter didn’t use 30 round mags. yes, his reload time was faster but who was fighting back? this also assumes all semi-autos are banned otherwise a glock is just as deadly as va tech showed us.

The Miami Herald reports:

Several state legislators who visited the school with crime-scene investigators said they learned from police that [the shooter]’s rifle was not top-of-the-line, perhaps explaining the malfunction.

[The shooter] went in with only 10-round magazines because larger clips would not fit in his duffel bag. …

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

But in most of these cases, the victims are running their tails off. Stopping to reload arguably saves lives.

And when he kicks a classroom door open and starts mowing them down, if he has 2 guns he’s got 12-14 shots. In a classroom of 30, he’s going to have to reload ore than once to finish them all. I doubt he’d get the chance to do that.

the parkland shooter didn’t use 30 round mags. yes, his reload time was faster but who was fighting back? this also assumes all semi-autos are banned otherwise a glock is just as deadly as va tech showed us.

The Miami Herald reports:

Several state legislators who visited the school with crime-scene investigators said they learned from police that [the shooter]’s rifle was not top-of-the-line, perhaps explaining the malfunction.

[The shooter] went in with only 10-round magazines because larger clips would not fit in his duffel bag. …

Regardless the mag size, detachable magazines substantially decrease the reload time. Obviously we both know Glocks don’t roll out with 30rd mags…

Another reason why I love bolt, lever and wheel guns.

I think civilians should only be able to easily purchase sporting rifles and sporting rifles shouldn’t feature detachable mags.

And VA tech and Columbine are less and less like modern shootings. Believe it or not, you could still find kids on a college campus in 2007 that didn’t have cellphones. And a lot of them that had phones had yet to adopt smartphones.

Now, when you discharge a weapon at a public school, your timer begins.

 

[upant]

And as far as the 2a goes, I’ve also said earlier - the rifle became irrelevant to guaranteeing your freedom once the main battle tank rolled off the production line.

i can’t really see tanks being used in domestic disputes by the government. this is the real fear mongering thinking the government will have a total war policy to wipe out the resistance.

The more intense you make gun control laws, the fewer Americans there are to support it. By the time you’re polling about an absolute ban of all guns, only a tiny fraction of broader society supports that.

if you notice, more and more politicians are calling for a complete ban then just a few years ago. it is a matter of time and money. liberals have both on their side’ they have already started the indoctrination process. even you have fallen victim to their propaganda. an ar ban will not stop the killing or reduce the death count as long as there are semi-auto handguns available. don’t you favor a complete semi-auto ban?

It’s a non-real fear. Like the boogey-man.

as i said before, who would have thought a few decades ago it would be legal to kill your own child. the boogeyman sometimes is real

And VA tech and Columbine are less and less like modern shootings

are you saying semi-auto handguns cannot achieve the same count?

 

[Vonsalza]

i can’t really see tanks being used in domestic disputes by the government.

Expected conservative denial, respectfully…

By “using” the tank, all they’ll do (initially) is use them as visual symbols. Put one in front of Walmart. The school. The courthouse.

Let would-be rebels know “We have these. You don’t”.

And if the conflict goes hot, they don’t need to use the cannons on them yet. Just use those tanks to shut down the deliveries to Walmart and other interstate commerce in rebel-held territory.

total war policy to wipe out the resistance.

No no no. They just need to intimidate and economically/logistically squeeze. The 99% that aren’t prepped rebels will happily squeal on the ones that are and the conflict will end. The Walmart and Taco Bell will resume!

if you notice, more and more politicians are calling for a complete ban then just a few years ago.

I genuinely don’t see that at all.

Now, I see TONS more who want ARs banned. But that’s a little different.

don’t you favor a complete semi-auto ban?

COMPLETE?
No.
I’d want to see semis treated sorta like autos. You can get them. But get your ID and checkbook out…

are you saying semi-auto handguns cannot achieve the same count?

All other things being equal?

Yup.

After a couple shots, people usually run. After a few meters, your Glock has accuracy issues that an AR15 does not.
Inherent problem of 3 inch vs 16 inch barrels.

 

[Ender]

In both cases, the trend line began before the momentous event. I’m having a nice laugh watching everyone try to tell me why it’s different between the cases, lol.

With abortions, the trend line agrees perfectly with the events. Abortions became legal nationwide in 1973, but they were already legal in a third of the states before then, beginning in 1967. Whatever the case with gun bans, the legal effects of abortion laws were immediate and obvious.

And to be clear, there were absolutely abortions being done in the US before 1968. They just weren’t reputably tracked so the numbers before then are dubious.

This is a valid point, but it does nothing to change the clear effect of the change in the law.

 

[ajfrab]

All other things being equal?

Yup.

After a couple shots, people usually run. After a few meters, your Glock has accuracy issues that an AR15 does not.

Inherent problem of 3 inch vs 16 inch barrels.

Good point. Except in situations where people are trained not to run (such as in schools). If memory serves me correctly, 31 people died in the Virginia Tech shooting. And the shooter used 2 handguns.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Sounds like really good reasons to own guns and other weapons of self-defense.

 

[SuperLuigi]

He also wasn’t aware that VT was a gun-free zone.

But I’m sure there’s lots of GOOD feelings inside of someone somewhere for that policy.

And in the end, that’s what matters most, especially if it’s posted on Facebook.

 

[MonteRCMS]

AR-15 Used To Repel Home Invasion, 30 Rounds Fired

bearingarms.com

In stormed a masked gunman who fired off a single round before two of the men inside, one armed with an AR-15 rifle and the other with a handgun, emerged from two bedrooms and opened fire.

Gunfire ripped into the masked gunman and two other intruders, who crumpled to the floor with multiple gunshot wounds.

Those details surfaced Tuesday when the Baker County Sheriff’s Office released an arrest report linked to this weekend’s home invasion turned deadly triple shooting.

Five people are charged in the case. Investigators suspect the home invasion escalated from an ongoing feud between two groups that was stoked by social media threats.

The victims told deputies they acted in self-defense when they turned their guns on the intruders, with one of them estimating he fired over 30 rounds from an AR-15 before the threat was over.

Afterward, the victims retreated to another part of the home before they dialed 911, according to the report. None of them was hurt during the shooting.

 

[upant]

Expected conservative denial, respectfully…

By “using” the tank, all they’ll do (initially) is use them as visual symbols. Put one in front of Walmart. The school. The courthouse.

Let would-be rebels know “We have these. You don’t”.

And if the conflict goes hot, they don’t need to use the cannons on them yet. Just use those tanks to shut down the deliveries to Walmart and other interstate commerce in rebel-held territory.

as i said fear mongering, not reality.

The 99% that aren’t prepped rebels will happily squeal on the ones that are and the conflict will end. The Walmart and Taco Bell will resume!

more speculation, would your neighbor even know that you were part of the resistance? i doubt it.

I genuinely don’t see that at all.

of course not or you would see the danger of incremental bans.

After a couple shots, people usually run. After a few meters, your Glock has accuracy issues that an AR15 does not.

Inherent problem of 3 inch vs 16 inch barrels.

you can’t run very far in a classroom

 

[pnewton]

I had to go shoot yesterday. I was the only one with a revolver (out of 150), a little like a dinosaur out of time. I have never seen one jam or accidentally discharge though. I will take six solid shots in close quarters (inside) every time.

 

[Vonsalza]

I had to go shoot yesterday. I was the only one with a revolver (out of 150), a little like a dinosaur out of time. I have never seen one jam or accidentally discharge though. I will take six solid shots in close quarters (inside) every time.

In most self-defense situations, the average is between 2 and 3.

You’ve plenty to spare.

And, frankly, it’s pretty hard to accidentally discharge a revolver.