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Exalt
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I agree with him. “Gun Free Zones” are “Good Guy Gun Free Zones.”
Either make ALL firearms illegal everywhere or allow law abiding citizens, given a good deal of training, background checks and other tests, carry a concealed firearm for thier own protection.
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whatevergirl
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Interesting point, but to use an old cliche…guns don’t kill, people do…that in mind, I firmly believe that this guy would have planted a bomb, on himself or others, if he were denied a gun.(for example)
I guess I’m not seeing gun free zones as recipes for disaster?
I guess I’m not seeing gun free zones as recipes for disaster?
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JLSacred
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How interesting. I never thought of that. I think it’s more of a problem in America where you have lots of guns and then gun free zones. In Europe they don’t have lots of guns and they don’t have this problem. Here, guns are easy to get plus you have lots of media attention and you have gun free zones.
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vluvski
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Yes, if a person makes his mind up to kill, he’ll find a way. The question is, will law abiding citizens be able to defend themselves if defense is possible?
A bomb is a different ball game. If Cho had planted a bomb, people would not be advocating “bomb control” as a way to prevent it from happening again. For some reason it is obvious that bomb control is not a solution to combat bombers, yet elusive that gun control is not a solution to combat gun violence.
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JLSacred
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They did start making laws after Oklahoma city to restrict access to materials that were used to make that bomb, such as fertilizer.
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vluvski
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You’re right. A complete gun ban would probably be more effective than gun free zones. It would prevent the crazies (this probably includes Cho and the Columbine shooters) who haven’t the savvy to obtain a weapon illegally. These gun-free zones are contributing to the problem.
The fact still remains, though, that in a society where gun ownership is a crime, only criminals will own guns.
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Jennifer_G
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Kind of like signs around schools that say, “Drug Free Zone”. I sometimes here of instances where that’s not the case.
Even if they did ban guns, crooks will still resort to knives, clubs, and bombs. A “Gun Free Zone” is only a bandaid cure on a open gash.
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Catholic_Hammer
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Wrong, there are lots of guns in Europe (the rate of gun ownership is just as high in France as it is in the United States) and there have been mass shootings in Europe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
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stanmaxkolbe
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Yes you’re right.
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gilliam
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Crime Statistics > Murders (per capita) by country
nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
Crime Statistics > Assaults (per capita) by country
nationmaster.com/graph/cri_***_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita
Crime Statistics > Total crimes (per capita) by country \
nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
By the way, the older the population, the lower the crime.
nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
Crime Statistics > Assaults (per capita) by country
nationmaster.com/graph/cri_***_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita
Crime Statistics > Total crimes (per capita) by country \
nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
By the way, the older the population, the lower the crime.
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ohiocatholic07
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I find myself in disagreement with both the Rosie O’Donnell and Ted Nugent camps on the issue of guns.
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Tarwater
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As a college student with a concealed weapons permit, I am furious that the state refuses to allow me the right to protect myself while living on campus. I’m not only talking about a campus shooting like this one, but also about the fact that we’ve had three muggings and one sexual assault just in this semester.
The right to defend life is an integral part to the right to life and the pro-life ethic, in my opinion. The catechism agrees with me on this as well; if you don’t believe me, I’ll look it up when I get home.
I just want to let you folks know that people like me are not the people you should be afraid of. Permit-holders submit to background checks, fingerprinting, fees, and a waiting period in order to carry a concealed weapon. If I was a criminal or intended to use my concealed weapon in an act of violence, why would I go through all that trouble when I could just stick a gun in my waistband and get it over with?
If just one person in one of those classrooms had been allowed his or her right to defend life, then the outcome could have been different. Fewer lives could have been lost. That’s why I’m so upset about gun-free zones.
The right to defend life is an integral part to the right to life and the pro-life ethic, in my opinion. The catechism agrees with me on this as well; if you don’t believe me, I’ll look it up when I get home.
I just want to let you folks know that people like me are not the people you should be afraid of. Permit-holders submit to background checks, fingerprinting, fees, and a waiting period in order to carry a concealed weapon. If I was a criminal or intended to use my concealed weapon in an act of violence, why would I go through all that trouble when I could just stick a gun in my waistband and get it over with?
If just one person in one of those classrooms had been allowed his or her right to defend life, then the outcome could have been different. Fewer lives could have been lost. That’s why I’m so upset about gun-free zones.
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JLSacred
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It sounds like college campuses are the perfect place for rapists and other perpetrators. They are assured of a helpless victim. I see the point made by the OP.
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ohiocatholic07
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My guess is that none of the good Catholic colleges allow their students to possess firearms on campus.
As long as there are beer bongs, firearms won’t be allowed on any campus.
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st_ignatius110
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If guns kill people then spoons made Rosie O’Donnell fat.
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JLSacred
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How uncharitable (and hilarious)
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ohiocatholic07
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condoms don’t cheat on their spouse; people do.
condoms aren’t promiscuous; people are
low estrogen birth control pills don’t cause abortions; people who swallow them do
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Tarwater
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By that reasoning, why in the world would a Catholic college allow their students to possess beer bongs?
I think you’re making a pretty large generalization about college students with that remark, and I doubt most of the other students on this forum appreciate it. What experience of yours would lead you to conclude that we’re all a bunch of liquor-chugging idiot frat boys? Some of us are well-behaved kids on our way to seminary. Some of us are in our 30’s with a family at home. Some of us just got out of the military, where we’re trusted with automatic weapons without a single beer bong-related act of negligence.
How are you somehow more trustworthy than I am simply because you either finished your education or failed to pursue it?
I would also like to add that firearms are allowed on college campuses in several states. I can also recall hearing of school shootings in those areas in which firearms owned by law-abiding citizens were used to end the situation. Just off the top of my head I can think of one high school shooting in which the assistant principal ran out to his car and grabbed his handgun, then ran back into the school and made the shooter drop his weapon and held him there until police arrived.
By the way, here’s the passage from the catechism, emphasis mine:
Please forgive me if I offended you with this, because it’s not my intention. Pray for me.
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system
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Over 600 years of firearms in the west and our chatechism is still talking about a “lethal blow”? Sounds like hand to hand self defense.
Where does our chatechism get to the subject of guns?
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