Gun ownership in this day and age

[prayerrider]

Increased gun control is a bandaid on the real problems: A society that has turned away from God. Broken families and lack of good parenting, particularly lack of fathers. Violent video games that encourage children to see other human beings as targets. Drugs including the cavalier administration of psychotropic “medications” to children. And directly correlating to the lack of faith–the ever increasing influence of the prince of this world, the devil.

 

[jasonthechief]

I’m fairly certain that the psychotropic drugs are a common thread in many mass shootings. These medications are given out way too easily without a real understanding of how they affect developing minds. Scary stuff.

 

[ewohdrol]

Increased gun control is a bandaid on the real problems: A society that has turned away from God. Broken families and lack of good parenting, particularly lack of fathers. Violent video games that encourage children to see other human beings as targets. Drugs including the cavalier administration of psychotropic “medications” to children. And directly correlating to the lack of faith–the ever increasing influence of the prince of this world, the devil.

This is ludicrous. Are you saying Canada for example don’t have broken families? Are they more religious? Don’t play the same video games? Australia had a hige problem with broken families. No mass shootings since 1998.

Countries such as Switzerland are less religious than the US by far. And they have guns. But no mass shootings.

Let’s be real. The nation is not going to suddently become more catholic. People who have had no good example are not going to suddenly know how to parent better.

I hate the constitution argument. Change it then. It’s not the Bible. It has been altered in the past. There is no tyrannical government wanting ti overthrow you. And if there was…they would win.
No matter what weapons you personally owned.

 

[prayerrider]

Do you believe that disarming law abiding citizens deters violent crime?
Do you believe that society is God fearing, or that the devil isn’t actively involved in secular society?

 

[tafan2]

Neither do I, it’s not a question of what you or I need it’s a question if what is best for society. I don’t like dealing with the driver’s license or motor vehicle departments, but I understand the need from a societal standpoint.

 

[neophyte]

Here is a rough list of what I would propose:

Fortunately you’re not in charge.

 

[vz71]

This is ludicrous.

Ludicrous to think that the faith of a person will play a part in their behavior?

 

[upant]

I’m not sure of your point to be honest.

I agreed your murder rate is lower but it was increasing and the website showed the increase

The problem is an increasingly violent culture

The problem is that we took God out of the schools

Take away the tool that allows them to do it so easily.

The tool also helps the innocent, would you deprive the innocent of his right to have equal force?

Exactly what I quoted, taking away guns from those who need them.

to be clear, you would ban guns from those who need them. a woman who is being threatened by her ex would not be allowed a gun to defend herself.

Personally, if someone comes charging at me with a knife, I’m going to shoot him.

6 times (if you have a wheel gun), this is a joke, before you all go off

 

[Aquinas11]

Look at article I cited above

26 of 27 deadliest mass shooters = raised without biological father

There is no way that’s a coincidence.

When boy raised by single mom, he gets bullied then goes home and tells his mom but she is juggling so much doesn’t acknowledge him. If he had Dad, bully would be dealt with. So kids raised in broken homes is fueling the mass shooting instances

 

[prayerrider]

And even if a boy isn’t bullied, he’s not being modeled manhood.
Children need a mother and a father in their lives. Not a single parent, not same sex “parents.”

 

[Aquinas11]

And even if a boy isn’t bullied, he’s not being modeled manhood .

Not only not being modeled manhood but he turns on TV and sees misandry modeling that manhood is evil

 

[Odilon]

It’s been twice for me since I was 23 (I am now 62). Once at my rural home in Vermont where a n’er do well showed up at 3 in the morning and once he saw my pistol he left. The other time was in a bad section of Miami, Fla where I was making a delivery in the early morning. I had my .38 in the coffee holder and another lowlife tried to climb up on the side of my cab. What he wanted I do not know, but luckily I was going too fast and he couldn’t quite get a grip on the mirror and fell off into the street. Had he got up on the truck, I was ready with the .38 and I was going to give him one chance to leave me alone. My wife was with me and I wasn’t going to play around.

 

[Odilon]

We have about 10 states here in America where no licenses are required - to buy, to own, or to be carried on your person. The 2nd Amendment is the only license required.

 

[po18guy]

What sort of legal advocacy group is that? Pardon me for being skeptical of their numbers.

Nevertheless:
What does gun ownership by normal Americans have to do with murder, rape, assault, robbery, MS13 - anything? 100 million gun owners and 270 million guns. If they were a problem, you would know it.

Gun control assumes that it is far more expedient to punish the innocent than the guilty. It seeks to establish absolute, unbridled governmental power over the individual. Need we read Huxley or Orwell once again?

I must pose rhetorical questions: Is freedom too dangerous? Too repugnant? Is there something off-putting about others’ lifestlyes? Or, are many today indeed suffering from what Marine Colonel John Dean “Jeff” Cooper termed “hoplophobia” i.e. irrational fear of weapons?

I don’t mind unarmed people - that’s their choice. It’s just that they are at the mercy of criminals and cannot save their own, or your or my life.

 

[Aquinas11]

What sort of legal advocacy group is that? Pardon me for being skeptical of their numbers.

By all means cite an alternative source

Nevertheless:
What does gun ownership by normal Americans have to do with murder,

Not sure, you posted about murder rates. I responded to that post.

 

[prayerrider]

And that’s what a man does, folks. Protects himself and his family. Passively allowing someone else to commit a violent felony, maybe maiming, raping or killing, isn’t turning the other cheek. It’s cowardice.

 

[prayerrider]

Need we read Huxley or Orwell once again?

Or a brief history of totalitarian states–all of whom have disarmed civilians.

 

[prayerrider]

I think we ain’t seen the bottom, yet.

 

[ewohdrol]

Ludicrous to think that the faith of a person will play a part in their behavior?

Not at all. But to suggest this is the problem when there are little to NO mass shootings in most other first world countries - well quite frankly it doesn’t ring true. If this were the problem wouldn’t it be happening in other countries where faith wasn’t strong?

I agreed your murder rate is lower but it was increasing and the website showed the increase

But you originally compared the UK and US to highligh the argument of keeping guns being more advantageous. Yes there is a (small) increase of knife crime in the UK but still statistically nowhere near the US. You originally stated per head of population there is more knife crime however, your own link highlights this inaccuracy. My link also shows you this is simply not true at all.

UK murder is on the increase. US is also on the increase. Very different from your original statement.

I’d still rather face a knife over a gun.

Look at article I cited above

26 of 27 deadliest mass shooters = raised without biological father

There is no way that’s a coincidence.

When boy raised by single mom, he gets bullied then goes home and tells his mom but she is juggling so much doesn’t acknowledge him. If he had Dad, bully would be dealt with. So kids raised in broken homes is fueling the mass shooting instances

Here I agree. Of course it is more beneficial to have a two parent family. But unfortunately that is not going to easily be rectified So what else can we do? Perhaps take away the very tool these bullied fatherless children use to kill others?

 

[po18guy]

Statistics are meaningless. Columns of numbers serve mainly to cloud and obfuscate. We hear of all sorts of ways to disarm the good citizen, “common sense” this and that, guns bad - medical marijuana good and all sorts of pop culture hogwash.

“Gun control” does not work, cannot work and is nothing more than wishful thinking. Some tragedies cannot be averted. The dedicated murderer will kill. Slowing him down still allows him to kill. Is that what the gun controllers want?

The catch-phrase is that “we just want to make it more difficult for him to kill.” Think: He will still kill and honest citizens have had their civil rights trampled along the way.

A curious point: 11,000 firearm “homicides” in the last year available. A certain number of those were self-defense. Do we want to remove self-defense from the total, lumping those defenders in with the victims?

Rather, let us look at what we should really be focusing on: Deaths are deaths. Your car/truck/SUV kills 102 souls daily in the US. 37,000 per year - almost four times the number of homicides. And a far greater percentage of those killed by your car are innocent children.

How can this be? We have licensing and registration of vehicles and drivers. Wanna save lives? Ban private transportation.

There is a sinister power at work within the agenda of rendering the common citizen helpless. Said citizen is then dependent for life and protection upon a non-caring government - a government which has, get this: NO LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to protect their lives.