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justasking4
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This is as far as i will go. Since you and others are such mockers i’m under no obligation to go further on this…
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Lampo
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Have you learned that not everything the Catholic Church teaches is found EXPLICITLY in Scripture? If you have, why do you ask this question repeatedly? If you HAVEN’T learned this by now, then maybe CAF isn’t the best place for you to “learn” because I know for a fact that you have been told countless times that not everything the Church teaches is EXPLICITLY in Scripture.
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Lampo
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THAT is VERY telling!! How in the world have I mocked you?
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Angels_Unaware
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No, actually I am thinking of Acts 10:14 and John 6:53.
The point is that you revile intimacy with God, and yet that is exactly what the Church is called- the Bridegroom of Christ.
BTW, is it just me, or does anyone else detect a tone of snideness and hatred in her voice? Because I really can.
BTW, you have never responded to the question that has been posed to you by many people here. (Post 490).
JA4:
May I conclude by this response that you did not understand in any way, shape, or form the theological ramifications of the Protestant understanding of Mary?
It is absurd to say that Mary had to be a virgin simply for “the prophecy to be fulfilled.” So, her virginity was nothing more than a prophetic sign? This is what you believe.
The theological argument I posed to you was based on the St. Leo’s question to Eutyches. Is Jesus consubstantial with the Father? The answer was yes, He must be. Then is Jesus consubstantial with us? (The Protestant error is no). The correct answer is yes. He must be for the Incarnation to be significant- for the Incarnation to truly be the Hypostatic Union.
This is what you are missing.
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justasking4
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If its not explicitedly in the Scriptures then we can go even further and try to find the basis for such beliefs. Do you know how these beliefs are grounded and justified?
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adstrinity
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Jesus and the Apostles did or said them. We’ve been doing what they have been doing ever since.
Isn’t it great we didn’t need to reinvent the wheel like the Muslims, Protestants, Mormons, or Jehova’s Witnesses?
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happilycatholic
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I and others have engaged you several times. In fact, I’ve engaged you on occasions that you’ve chosen to ignore. Such as this challenge:I’m here to discuss and learn. These forums are an excellent place to grow and be challenged in what we believe. I have been continually challenged and it helps me to know what i believe and why. I suspect with you 2 that this is to difficult and you may not want to be engaged…
Will you say in prayer the things you’ve said about Mary here?
You answer only those questions you can answer with quotes from Scripture. The thing is JustAsking, you’ve already given Christ a very clear understanding of what you think of His Mother.
Further, you are incapable of learning. You don’t ask questions seeking an answer, but a reply. A reply to which you can then once again argue via Scripture.
That is not “learning” that is only arguing. There is a distict difference. I’ll say it again: there is a difference between knowledge and faith and there is a difference between learning and merely posting questions to prompt an argument so that you can flex your brain muscle.
This thread is about worshipping Mary. At the very least, you can only argue that catholics worship Mary without realizing it. Well, guess what. Can’t be done. You must deny God to worship Mary. You must deny Christ is your Savior and claim that Mary is your Savior. Catholics do not do this.
Hence, no worship. Period. The rest is a whole lotta weak arguments. The sad thing is, you don’t even seek evangelism, but only someone to tell you that you are correct.
It’s a pity really.
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Lampo
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You again did not answer my questions. Let’s try again:
Have you learned that not everything the Catholic Church teaches is found EXPLICITLY in Scripture? If you have, why do you ask this question repeatedly? If you HAVEN’T learned this by now, then maybe CAF isn’t the best place for you to “learn” because I know for a fact that you have been told countless times that not everything the Church teaches is EXPLICITLY in Scripture.
Since you have been on CAF for quite sometime now, I know that you have been presented with orthodox Catholic teaching. Why don’t you give us an exhaustive list of what you know about the Catholic faith?
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Angels_Unaware
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How do you know that the Scripture is the Word of God? From where did the Scripture come? The answer is it came through the Church. The Church came before Scripture. The Church canonized the Scripture. The Holy Spirit did not act alone, He acted through the Church.
(Same principle with Mary you cannot grasp).
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Why are you here?
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happilycatholic
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I have a further challenge for you:I’m here to discuss and learn. These forums are an excellent place to grow and be challenged in what we believe. I have been continually challenged and it helps me to know what i believe and why. I suspect with you 2 that this is to difficult and you may not want to be engaged…
Get off these threads and get on the Apologetics threads if you really want to “learn” and discuss our faith. I’m sure they’ll be glad to answer any question you have.
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happilycatholic
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Now, who doesn’t want to be engaged?
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Lampo
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Please explain to me how I have mocked you?
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happilycatholic
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Again, another baiting question. You are well aware of how catholics get their beliefs. You will then turn right around and say, “where is that in the scriptures?”.
That, that is not learning but arguing.
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happilycatholic
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Okay, I’ll play your game JustAsking. You show me scripture where it says not to show Mary veneration.
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Angels_Unaware
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Oh, nope… just exactly the opposite. It’s you who must be realizing that your theology is paper-thin and logically impossible.I’m here to discuss and learn. These forums are an excellent place to grow and be challenged in what we believe. I have been continually challenged and it helps me to know what i believe and why. I suspect with you 2 that this is to difficult and you may not want to be engaged…
I am not correct, but the Catholic faith that has been faithfully upheld by the Body of Christ for 2000 **is **correct, and you cannot argue with it, and you will see that if you stop resisting with superficial, wooden answers and delve into these issues with sincerity.
The Protestant error is that Protestants are confused about how God acts on earth. Protestants believe God is all and they are nothing. But God works with us, and grace works in us. The Holy Spirit espoused a bride. The Church is the bridegroom, and Mary represents her. The Holy Spirit wrote a book through the Church, and birthed a Savior through the Church. Our salvation is done in cooperation with God. All of these truths are true and are deeply embedded within Scripture.
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Lampo
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EXACTLY! That is why I question his motives and am calling him on it.
That’s why I have asked him:
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justasking4
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I know this and this is an issue for catholics. To claim that doctrines are implicit in Scripture opens yourselves to all kinds of problems. For one, what are the “boundaries” for something to be implicit?
You are not the only one i write to. Each poster is unique and different. They have different understandings than you do. Not all catholics believe exactly alike. Take Sola Scriptura. There are many ideas about it and if i’m discussing it i need to know what they mean by it. Same goes for the marian doctrines.
I problably would if i was on that thread. This thread is not about that…
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East_and_West
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I know where it demonstrates others venerating her.
“Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”
- St. Elizabeth in the Gospel
of Luke.
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happilycatholic
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justasking4
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Answers sometimes lead to further questions. Since i’m a Christian who believes that the Scriptures are the foundation for truth and pracitice i will usually go there first. If its not there, then i will look elsewhere for the foundation. Is the foundation in Scripture or in the ideas of men.
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