Hair, Jewellery and Make Up

[Anglewannabe]

My daughters are estheticians. People BEG them to make them over. .

I think the key difference is people are the ones asking your daughters for help. I am sure they respect people who don’t ask for it

Not everyone goes for makeup, but those who want to use it often are apprehensive because they don’t know much about it, don’t know which products are a waste of time, and want someone who really knows to steer them away from high priced junk and toward those things that are worth investing in…

Wow, I didn’t realize it could work that way. Any salon I ever went to had a business deal with one company and they had to use those products and nothing else. Are your daughters freelancers?

No shame in asking for help. Even it it’s a simple as what lip gloss is OK for the office to what kind of lipstick can I use at my wedding that won’t rub off on everyone and everything. .

Agreed

If it’s not fun, don’t do it. And if it is, and makes you happy, good for you!
But it’s no one’s business except your own.

 

[Anglewannabe]

A bit of self-confidence isn’t a bad thing

True, but not all women get it from make up. Some women might get it from a nice dress. I remember getting womanly confidence when I started to carry a pretty purse

 

[Irishmom2]

As much as I am all for women thinking of their husbands preference, I can’t help but think the ultimate decisions rests with the woman

Again, if a married woman does not have kid, she has a husband to help with things and has more time than the single woman

And sometimes a married woman’s decision is to go with their husbands preference.

Everyone has the same number of hours in a day. Husbands don’t always help. And sometimes two people have twice as many things to do, and so, not more time than a single woman.

 

[Irishmom2]

True, but not all women get it from make up. Some women might get it from a nice dress. I remember getting womanly confidence when I started to carry a pretty purse

There is truth in that old saying “clothes make the man.” Or woman. If a person likes what they are wearing, the confidence seems to come naturally. Some women need the confidence they get from makeup. I wear blush and eyebrow pencil because my brows are getting pale and thinner. Without it, I feel like I don’t have a face! Especially since I wear glasses.

 

[pianistclare]

Yes, my daughters are licensed by the State to do solo work. Even though Rebecca does work for a big company, they allow her to recommend everything from drug store products to HighEnd.
Her sales are high, so all they care about is having happy customers. Customers tend to buy whatever she is wearing.

 

[Irishmom2]

Yes, my daughters are licensed by the State to do solo work. Even though Rebecca does work for a big company, they allow her to recommend everything from drug store products to HighEnd.
Her sales are high, so all they care about is having happy customers. Customers tend to buy whatever she is wearing.

Well, because she is beautiful and they think it will make them look like her!

 

[Della]

True, but not all women get it from make up. Some women might get it from a nice dress. I remember getting womanly confidence when I started to carry a pretty purse

I mentioned clothing, too. I feel great if I find something that fits me. I have to try on everything because I’m so hard to fit. Finding something I can wear is like finding diamonds to me. It gives me a bit of a boost. I lost about 46 lbs., so now I have very few pieces to wear–I gave most of my clothes away. I have to rebuild my wardrobe from scratch, but I’d rather not be as heavy as I was–it’s a delightful trade off.

 

[lax16]

I never asked for advice. I asked women to share if their views and use of hair, makeup and jewellery had changed as they got older or if as they grew close to the Lord. I did NOT ask for advice.

Have a good evening!

 

[Bonnie]

I feel great if I find something that fits me.

I hadn’t thought of that, but so true! I gained weight last year & now it’s coming back off. I was going to wear my favorite blouse to mass tonight - but it’s still tight. Another 5 lbs or so & it should be comfy again.

 

[Anglewannabe]

And sometimes a married woman’s decision is to go with their husbands preference…

Yes, I do believe there are times when a woman will want to do something for her husband such as dying her hair. There is nothing wrong with it as long as it is a genuine act of love and not an order

Everyone has the same number of hours in a day. Husbands don’t always help. And sometimes two people have twice as many things to do, and so, not more time than a single woman.

Again yes, everyone has so many hours in a day and some (regardless of family situation) have more to do than others

 

[struggling4him]

Why do i care what you ****ing wear? Focus on what is above, not what is below!!!

 

[Sarcelle]

I mentioned clothing, too. I feel great if I find something that fits me. I have to try on everything because I’m so hard to fit. Finding something I can wear is like finding diamonds to me. It gives me a bit of a boost. I lost about 46 lbs., so now I have very few pieces to wear–I gave most of my clothes away. I have to rebuild my wardrobe from scratch, but I’d rather not be as heavy as I was–it’s a delightful trade off.

When I lived abroad, I used to have my clothing custom tailored for a great price. I would pick out clothes in a catalog which I liked and it would be made for me.

I would give anything to find a tailor. They seem to be as rare as hen’s teeth. I have a very difficult time finding off the rack clothes which fit me.

 

[Sarcelle]

I mentioned clothing, too. I feel great if I find something that fits me. I have to try on everything because I’m so hard to fit. Finding something I can wear is like finding diamonds to me. It gives me a bit of a boost. I lost about 46 lbs., so now I have very few pieces to wear–I gave most of my clothes away. I have to rebuild my wardrobe from scratch, but I’d rather not be as heavy as I was–it’s a delightful trade off.

Have you ever considered building a capsule wardrobe?

 

[Elena321]

I’ve also noticed that when a woman of faith looks dowdy, others may think, especially those who already think religion: 1) spoils one’s “fun”, 2) negates caring about one’s appearance, 3) and that we are only living for “a pie in the sky”–that religion has turned that woman into a drudge.

Unless one can project the brilliant spirituality and love of a Mother Teresa, putting a little effort into appearance will help others to see that being a woman of faith doesn’t mean we have to be pretend nuns or look as frumpy as possible in order to love God and neighbor.

It’s just something to take into consideration–not saying that we need to dress and appear like movie stars all the time–an impossible goal and damaging to one’s psyche, and our relationships besides. But rather we shouldn’t just let ourselves go–using the excuse that God doesn’t care so why should I. To me, it’s like a bad cantor saying, “Well, God likes a ‘joyful noise’ so it doesn’t matter if I practice or sing on key.”

And yes, I’ve known women who didn’t do make up who radiated God’s love, and so had a beauty that comes from within, but it can’t hurt to put a little effort into one’s appearance so that others will notice one’s true personality, instead of getting the impression that women of faith have to look like a used tea bag.

Properly-applied make-up, well-fitting clothes, and well-groomed hair are pleasing to the eye. They make a good impression on others, leading them to listen to our words and see us as women who are engaged in life, and who have something they want.

I see where you are coming from. At the same time though,that can also swing too much the other way.
For example,I remember at Hillsong Church the women “leader/s” use to (I don’t know if they still do) have conferences that would encourage women to focus on their appearance because image matters and it’s befitting of a Christian woman to have a pleasing image and so on.
That can make observers think Christians are superficial and can also make women who are naturally “saggy”,“obese”,“downtrodden”,poor,face or body affected by illnesses and stress etc feel uncomfortable to attend Church’s due to feeling ugly or embarressed surrounded by polished women wearing their Sunday best.

 

[Rosebud77]

I see where you are coming from. At the same time though,that can also swing too much the other way.
For example,I remember at Hillsong Church the women “leader/s” use to (I don’t know if they still do) have conferences that would encourage women to focus on their appearance because image matters and it’s befitting of a Christian woman to have a pleasing image and so on.
That can make observers think Christians are superficial and can also make women who are naturally “saggy”,“obese”,“downtrodden”,poor,face or body affected by illnesses and stress etc feel uncomfortable to attend Church’s due to feeling ugly or embarressed surrounded by polished women wearing their Sunday best.

Yep. And for many , the sheer cost of dressing “well”… I went sideways into long skirts from thrift shops and hand knitted sweaters for years. Simple. not costing, Different.

 

[Elena321]

A woman only looks like “mutton dressed as lamb” if she wears the wrong kind of clothes and make-up for her age and coloring, etc. It’s an art–one that can be learned. I’m 67 and I have learned what looks good on me for my age, etc. No one stares at my clothes or make-up–they just see me–because I generally do it right. Women who overdo the make-up or try to dress too young look silly, I agree. If a woman wants to do make-up and wear fashionable (not necessarily costly clothes) she should experiment a bit and learn what looks good on her–then she won’t look odd, overdone, or silly.

I don’t think “mutton dressed as lamb” women should be judged either.People sometimes make presumptions about them but no one can know their motivations.
Eg:they might feel insecure about their looks.Or they might be wearing fake lashes/heavy eye makeup due to trying to cover up drooping eyelids,or hair extensions to cover their thinning hair etc…
In addition,in some cultures its acceptable for women even in their 50’s to wear a short skirt.
I think anytime we make a judgement on anothers appearance-whether “too dowdy” or “mutton as lamb” is not kind.

 

[Elena321]

I’ve seen many make-over shows in which a gal who has either let her looks go because of family obligations, or one who is hiding from the world by looking dowdy came to life and self-assurance when her hair was done, proper make-up applied and clothes that enhance her figure were done for her. The transformations were like night and day. They were able to engage better with others and no longer felt like they didn’t matter to anyone. A bit of self-confidence isn’t a bad thing–especially when evading others behind plainness or even oddness only isolates these gals from others and makes them crawl into their shells. If it helps them get out and interact with people, helps them get or maintain jobs and helps them realize that they are important, then I’m all for it.

“helps them get or maintain jobs and helps them realize that they are important, then I’m all for it”
Personally,i’d rather a society where we employed people not based on their looks but i’m being idealistic.
The problem with makeover shows is they are biased as they choose people (faces) that they can “work with”.
Ie:they choose a “pretty blank canvas”-often girls that they (the show) perceives as “plain janes” or “nerdy” & then they “glamourise” them.
Eg:they don’t choose women with very saggy faces as no amount of makeup can fix this or make them look much better or become more “employable”
Sure,there are the Cosmetic Makeover shows that do help the more “severe” issues by providing them with plastic surgery (if they choose themselves I hope) but these type of results are unattainable by most “everyday” women due to the often unaffordable nature of Cosmetic Surgery.

 

[Della]

I don’t think “mutton dressed as lamb” women should be judged either.People sometimes make presumptions about them but no one can know their motivations.
Eg:they might feel insecure about their looks.Or they might be wearing fake lashes/heavy eye makeup due to trying to cover up drooping eyelids,or hair extensions to cover their thinning hair etc…
In addition,in some cultures its acceptable for women even in their 50’s to wear a short skirt.
I think anytime we make a judgement on anothers appearance-whether “too dowdy” or “mutton as lamb” is not kind.

The kind I’m talking about are those who equate looking dowdy with holiness. I have mentioned this before. It’s one thing to be clueless about one’s looks–that indeed should not be judged–or personal preferences, either, but when women deliberately looks “Amish” or plain-Jane in order to impress on others how much holier they are–and I’ve seen women like that, then it’s like the hypocrites putting on ashes and trumpeting their fastings. As long as we make an effort to appear pleasant and do what we feel is our best it’s fine, of course.

As for make-over shows–no, I haven’t noticed that they pick particularly pretty girls who only need a little brushing up to look good. Most I’ve seen are ordinary women who have given up or think that by dressing in plain–often in black /beige clothes, no one will take notice of them. When they’re made over they realize how they’ve been selling themselves short, not that they were fine as they were. That’s what I’m all for–helping women reach their potential instead of hiding behind plainness like a shield from the world.

 

[Liturgy_Geek_1]

**Jewellery isn’t a necessity , it’s a luxury. **

I understand where you are coming from. I really do. I wear jewelry a lot. As a full-time caregiver of a husband with dementia, a full time employee for our diocese and a part time cantor, I just need the lift to my spirit that a sparkly piece of jewelry gives me. My jewelry is inexpensive and glittery. I feel happy when I wear it.

 

[Elena321]

The kind I’m talking about are those who equate looking dowdy with holiness. I have mentioned this before. It’s one thing to be clueless about one’s looks–that indeed should not be judged–or personal preferences, either, but when women deliberately looks “Amish” or plain-Jane in order to impress on others how much holier they are–and I’ve seen women like that, then it’s like the hypocrites putting on ashes and trumpeting their fastings. As long as we make an effort to appear pleasant and do what we feel is our best it’s fine, of course.

As for make-over shows–no, I haven’t noticed that they pick particularly pretty girls who only need a little brushing up to look good. Most I’ve seen are ordinary women who have given up or think that by dressing in plain–often in black /beige clothes, no one will take notice of them. When they’re made over they realize how they’ve been selling themselves short, not that they were fine as they were. That’s what I’m all for–helping women reach their potential instead of hiding behind plainness like a shield from the world.

Sorry,i should have made my comment clearer.
I only mentioned the “dowdy” part (as a comparison) because I was suggesting that people shouldn’t judge “mutton dressed as lamb” women either.

Regarding those who “shun” makeup etc to project a “holier than thou” impression,i know what you mean.
I think there are two categories (first good & second bad):

1st category:.Women who prefer a more simple appearance due to personality type (eg:sporty or natural hippy type etc),or women who are so very attractive and confident without any makeup,or women who sincerly have become less attached to worldly impressions/stuff (such as Mother Theresa and nuns).

2nd category:.Women who put on a facade of being more pious than others and falsely believe makeup,nice colour clothing & similar things should be shunned or the person cant be spiritual.These women can be subtely judgmental towards others (could be subconscious sometimes?)

Generally speaking,if you have a look at some cosmetic medicine websites “before and afters” it can give a wider scope of seeing that some peoples facial issues can’t be fixed with just good makeup + hairdye/hair extensions as per usual treatment on makeover shows.