Half of God's creation survives only because of the deaths of the other half?

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I don’t know. I think God doesn’t look at life like we do. He’s infinite. Never has to die. So He gets to see the whole thing unfold.

I mean what if life’s like a steam powered electrical station? Something’s gotta burn to turn the turbine. The turbine’s gotta turn to generate the power. The power has to flow through the system to turn other parts and components before getting ‘spent’. Everything has to move and die to make other things move and die. Maybe God just likes building the Incredible Machine with a lot of complicated moving parts? I mean why not?
I have a feeling, when we die and finally are able to have all these questions answered, it will all make perfect sense, and we will wonder how we could not see this in life. Plus, I think its common knowledge the bible is just a very small piece to a much larger puzzle, and God himself admitted, humans are only given a small bit of this information, so maybe the truth to all this is so complicated and indepth, we could not even comprehend how ‘big’ it all is, how everything is connected, how and why things function as they do, etc.

I once heard something that may put it in perspective…

Think about fish living in a large lake, in their view, that lake is the world, they know nothing of what exists above the water, nor do they care…now imagine a fish getting pulled out of that lake and witnessing our modern world!! They could not even comprehend it to begin with, but if they could, it would not make any sense, and if they could talk, they would say OMG…I never knew any of this existed or how complicated it all truly is!!

I think when we die, we will be the ‘fish’ being pulled out of the very small world we call home, and get to see what is truly real.
 
I have a feeling, when we die and finally are able to have all these questions answered, it will all make perfect sense, and we will wonder how we could not see this in life. Plus, I think its common knowledge the bible is just a very small piece to a much larger puzzle, and God himself admitted, humans are only given a small bit of this information, so maybe the truth to all this is so complicated and indepth, we could not even comprehend how ‘big’ it all is, how everything is connected, how and why things function as they do, etc.

I once heard something that may put it in perspective…

Think about fish living in a large lake, in their view, that lake is the world, they know nothing of what exists above the water, nor do they care…now imagine a fish getting pulled out of that lake and witnessing our modern world!! They could not even comprehend it to begin with, but if they could, it would not make any sense, and if they could talk, they would say OMG…I never knew any of this existed or how complicated it all truly is!!

I think when we die, we will be the ‘fish’ being pulled out of the very small world we call home, and get to see what is truly real.
Bingo. 👍
 
What’s a sentient being to God? If you or I have no problem taking honey from bees I can’t see why God would have a big sweat over making his creation work for a short time on earth in order to get to a place of salvation later. I mean that’s where the pairing of hard work and reward come in. If there was no promise of heaven well Ok. I could see where you’re going with your thinking. But with an eternal reward on the table why wouldn’t God make it a struggle to get there? I mean what other meaning or purpose is there otherwise?

Or are we really all just here to enjoy hotdogs and beer? (I mean soda. :rolleyes:)

Peace.

-Trident
So, I guess we are okay. I do not believe in heaven…and what purpose need there be but to love each other while we still draw breath? The other analogies are quite off line…to me.

John
 
I prefer to think of us functioning on reason and logic. Those attributes lead me to believe that we are, and always have been, on our own. That came after over 50 years of seeking and contemplating.
Might I have missed something…sure.

John
I think you may have missed the part that there is something bigger than you that is in charge and he loves you so much he chose YOU to be alive at this time. YOU were NOT an accident…
 
Correct, man is not “entitled” to anything. However, nature is there for us, but we are supposed to be good stewards of God’s creation.

But the planet is not overpopulated. We also have the technology to desalinate water from the oceans so everyone has enough water.

All of our problems are based on a lack of political / economic will; not because of the myth of “over population”
No, humans must use whatever is useful for their own species and only that . We destroyed miles of natural habitats where who knows how many species lived and how many would have evolved. We destroyed the planet’s natural evolution and advancement. We’ll witness disastrous repercussions in the future for human greediness (as you yourself have said) and inability to control our unfounded destructive desires. Consequently, we’ll be gone too. But that’s alright, because we have enjoyed ourselves to the maximum , right? Because instead of admiring nature and its grace (together with its inhabitants) we obsessively admire our monotone faces and unattractive bodies? Humans are not beautiful and have no great physical appearance. Yet we seem to think we’re the best. Many animals are extremely beautiful, agile , elegant and powerful. Most of us lack those characteristics. We have no right to destroy their wonderful existence, not even if we have to give up many of our so pleasurable vices. That’s what we have our rationality and intelligence for - to control our impulsive reactions and the technological advancement (which , if not under our watch, will go out of control). Plus actually recognizing what’s great and beautiful versus what’s not.

I’ll say it : I believe overpopulation is not only a problem, but a threat. It’s up to you to believe it or not, but overpopulation will spiral out of control and we’ll run out of resources. We’re already 8 billions. In the next years 10 , 12, 14, 18, 25 and much more because medicine is going to become better and better with each year passing by . We can’t force animals that we consume to reproduce at extreme speed and artificially manipulated food is very bad for our health. We’ll either starve to death in the close future or do so much damage to the environment that natural calamities won’t be able to be avoided. Plus we’ll develop such a self-orientated culture because of the lack of natural beauty to admire ( I suspect forests and parks will be gone soon) and/or generally SOMETHING to look at (blocks, asphalt, grey, black , blocks, asphalt…no visually satisfying buildings, no art, nothing ) , that the general population will become seriously mad. Mad, narcissistic, existential problems dominating the psyche , deviant sexual/nonsexual desires etc. etc.
You may say…what about the beauty of space? Yes, it’s extremely beautiful and complex, but you can’t always look up to the sky to see something awesome and aside from bright stars you generally can’t see anything with the naked eye (+pollution will cover much of our skies) .
If we go on like this we’ll find ourselves in a very very sad state of life. You can already see the beginning of such society. I’m not talking from fantasy books. Just see how many people are today hooked up on porn (very deviant types of porn too) , how many post 10 thousand of pictures of themselves daily and how many are so obsessed to alter their appearance. How many lose days doing nothing but checking b-llsh-t on facebook/instagram/twitter/tumblr/snapchat and how many have no general knowledge? What an imbecile species we are, honestly. I can’t see why God hasn’t exterminated us already. Maybe for the few people that actually care… 🤷

I guess after we destroy everything on ground we’ll start abusing sea life forms too. It’s true, there’s a lot of water, but you forget that salty water is the environment many species live in. Destroy them too? Kill them and use them for whatever reason our personal devils tell us ? Okay, if that’s your view, okay, but please don’t say that as God would agree with this demonic scheme. Please, don’t. 😦

I’ll end my rant with this : A creator loves all of his creations, not only one, and especially observing the general structure of the Universe the creator likes harmony between opposed forces and beings. We intervene with that and that’s going to put us to our knees.

If anyone is offended by this, it’s not my fault. Those are my personal views created from intensive observation of the world. But, anyway , I apologize in advance.
 
So, I guess we are okay. I do not believe in heaven…and what purpose need there be but to love each other while we still draw breath? The other analogies are quite off line…to me.

John
Well I’m not gonna change your mind. Glad that angle’s working for you.
 
I think you may have missed the part that there is something bigger than you that is in charge and he loves you so much he chose YOU to be alive at this time. YOU were NOT an accident…
Something more powerful…I agree…in charge, I do not. My life is a consequence of my parent’s love for each other. So, no, I am not an accident.

John
 
No, humans must use whatever is useful for their own species and only that . We destroyed miles of natural habitats where who knows how many species lived and how many would have evolved. We destroyed the planet’s natural evolution and advancement. We’ll witness disastrous repercussions in the future for human greediness (as you yourself have said) and inability to control our unfounded destructive desires. Consequently, we’ll be gone too. But that’s alright, because we have enjoyed ourselves to the maximum , right? Because instead of admiring nature and its grace (together with its inhabitants) we obsessively admire our monotone faces and unattractive bodies? Humans are not beautiful and have no great physical appearance. Yet we seem to think we’re the best. Many animals are extremely beautiful, agile , elegant and powerful. Most of us lack those characteristics. We have no right to destroy their wonderful existence, not even if we have to give up many of our so pleasurable vices. That’s what we have our rationality and intelligence for - to control our impulsive reactions and the technological advancement (which , if not under our watch, will go out of control). Plus actually recognizing what’s great and beautiful versus what’s not.

I’ll say it : I believe overpopulation is not only a problem, but a threat. It’s up to you to believe it or not, but overpopulation will spiral out of control and we’ll run out of resources. We’re already 8 billions. In the next years 10 , 12, 14, 18, 25 and much more because medicine is going to become better and better with each year passing by . We can’t force animals that we consume to reproduce at extreme speed and artificially manipulated food is very bad for our health. We’ll either starve to death in the close future or do so much damage to the environment that natural calamities won’t be able to be avoided. Plus we’ll develop such a self-orientated culture because of the lack of natural beauty to admire ( I suspect forests and parks will be gone soon) and/or generally SOMETHING to look at (blocks, asphalt, grey, black , blocks, asphalt…no visually satisfying buildings, no art, nothing ) , that the general population will become seriously mad. Mad, narcissistic, existential problems dominating the psyche , deviant sexual/nonsexual desires etc. etc.
You may say…what about the beauty of space? Yes, it’s extremely beautiful and complex, but you can’t always look up to the sky to see something awesome and aside from bright stars you generally can’t see anything with the naked eye (+pollution will cover much of our skies) .
If we go on like this we’ll find ourselves in a very very sad state of life. You can already see the beginning of such society. I’m not talking from fantasy books. Just see how many people are today hooked up on porn (very deviant types of porn too) , how many post 10 thousand of pictures of themselves daily and how many are so obsessed to alter their appearance. How many lose days doing nothing but checking b-llsh-t on facebook/instagram/twitter/tumblr/snapchat and how many have no general knowledge? What an imbecile species we are, honestly. I can’t see why God hasn’t exterminated us already. Maybe for the few people that actually care… 🤷

I guess after we destroy everything on ground we’ll start abusing sea life forms too. It’s true, there’s a lot of water, but you forget that salty water is the environment many species live in. Destroy them too? Kill them and use them for whatever reason our personal devils tell us ? Okay, if that’s your view, okay, but please don’t say that as God would agree with this demonic scheme. Please, don’t. 😦

I’ll end my rant with this : A creator loves all of his creations, not only one, and especially observing the general structure of the Universe the creator likes harmony between opposed forces and beings. We intervene with that and that’s going to put us to our knees.

If anyone is offended by this, it’s not my fault. Those are my personal views created from intensive observation of the world. But, anyway , I apologize in advance.
Overpopulation is a temporary problem. In nature when a species grows larger than what the environment can support it just means that some of that species will die off. Nature takes care of the Overpopulation problem automatically. Humans are the only species who can contemplate Overpopulation, as normally a species population is kept in check by the limited resources of its environment. The fact that humans have reached 8 billion suggests that the resources of our planet and the ingenuity of man have been enough to enable such a growth. However, if the limit of resources or the ingenuity of man should be reached this would also naturally limit the population of humans.
 
I prefer to think of us functioning on reason and logic. Those attributes lead me to believe that we are, and always have been, on our own. That came after over 50 years of seeking and contemplating.
Might I have missed something…sure.

John
The thing about the nature of man and his intellect is that it is limited. We are always able to learn more. There is no way that with even 50 years that, that is enough to completely contemplate the mystery of God, the universe and our existence. One could contemplate in a dark cave for 50 years and come to very different conclusions about reality than one who contemplated in the light of day for those same years. The amount of time doesn’t mean as much as the information that we are exposing ourselves to. The man in the cave only exposes himself to the mystery in the dark. While the man in the light sees all things with his eyes.
 
The thing about the nature of man and his intellect is that it is limited. We are always able to learn more. There is no way that with even 50 years that, that is enough to completely contemplate the mystery of God, the universe and our existence. One could contemplate in a dark cave for 50 years and come to very different conclusions about reality than one who contemplated in the light of day for those same years. The amount of time doesn’t mean as much as the information that we are exposing ourselves to. The man in the cave only exposes himself to the mystery in the dark. While the man in the light sees all things with his eyes.
I completely agree…the search is continuous.

John
 
Overpopulation is a temporary problem. In nature when a species grows larger than what the environment can support it just means that some of that species will die off. Nature takes care of the Overpopulation problem automatically. Humans are the only species who can contemplate Overpopulation, as normally a species population is kept in check by the limited resources of its environment. The fact that humans have reached 8 billion suggests that the resources of our planet and the ingenuity of man have been enough to enable such a growth. However, if the limit of resources or the ingenuity of man should be reached this would also naturally limit the population of humans.
The natural fail-safe.

John
 
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What a lot of wishful thinking! Actually what a lot of nonsense. If you think this will ever happen you are living in a dream world. You need help facing reality. Such a radical change in the instinctive makeup of those animals and their physiology would be impossible by any stretch of the imagination. How could any educated human ever conceive these animals all suddenly changing into animals with the temperament of a bunch of cows? Wishful thinking, wishful thinking, pie in the sky…
No it will happen. The two elements of our Eternal lives will a New Heaven AND a New Earth ( Rev 21).

What Isiah foresaw was the New Earth, the one that will exist for all time after all of prior creation ( both Heaven and Earth) have been swept away.

Yes, it will be a radical change in the instinctive makeup of the animals, but that is to be expected, they will be new animals in a new Creation.
 
I’ll say it : I believe overpopulation is not only a problem, but a threat. It’s up to you to believe it or not, but overpopulation will spiral out of control and we’ll run out of resources…
Overpopulation is not even remotely possible. Humans do not create new humans, God does. He is the only one with the power to make a human soul. And we cannot force Him to make one. It is something that He must actively do, not simply allow to happen.

Ergo, there can be not one single person more that God desires there to be.

As far as resources, read Matthew 6:25-34
 
Overpopulation is a temporary problem. In nature when a species grows larger than what the environment can support it just means that some of that species will die off. Nature takes care of the Overpopulation problem automatically. Humans are the only species who can contemplate Overpopulation, as normally a species population is kept in check by the limited resources of its environment. The fact that humans have reached 8 billion suggests that the resources of our planet and the ingenuity of man have been enough to enable such a growth. However, if the limit of resources or the ingenuity of man should be reached this would also naturally limit the population of humans.
Seriously? Every species of animals will become extinct if we go on this way. We’ll destroy nature and consequently everything that it holds alive. Did you even read my post or just decided to give no arguments and hold on to your ideas?

Nature will die. It won’t resolve anything. And we’ll probably blow up the planet with atomic bombs. Man is not that ingenious as you think.
 
Seriously? Every species of animals will become extinct if we go on this way. We’ll destroy nature and consequently everything that it holds alive. Did you even read my post or just decided to give no arguments and hold on to your ideas?

Nature will die. It won’t resolve anything. And we’ll probably blow up the planet with atomic bombs. Man is not that ingenious as you think.
Well, that would take care of the overpopulation problem. 🙂
 
Seriously? Every species of animals will become extinct if we go on this way. We’ll destroy nature and consequently everything that it holds alive. Did you even read my post or just decided to give no arguments and hold on to your ideas?

Nature will die. It won’t resolve anything. And we’ll probably blow up the planet with atomic bombs. Man is not that ingenious as you think.
I don’t know. I think man’s pretty ingenious. We’re a long way from any other animal figuring a way to build a rocket and land on another planet like we’ve done.

And even if some war does get out of hand. Even if some bombs do drop that take out big city places. There’ll still be people.

And even if the population triples. We’ll still have room for them.

And if we really get our act together. We can even build some space stations. And have lots of SF fun up there.

But more realistically? I think the birth rate will level out. Scientists have predicted a slowing trend. Or maybe at some point we’ll hit some new disease that takes out half of us. It’s happened before. Can take place again.

So don’t worry. We’ll all get to die. At some point.

Peace.

-Trident
 
I don’t know. I think man’s pretty ingenious. We’re a long way from any other animal figuring a way to build a rocket and land on another planet like we’ve done.

And even if some war does get out of hand. Even if some bombs do drop that take out big city places. There’ll still be people.

And even if the population triples. We’ll still have room for them.

And if we really get our act together. We can even build some space stations. And have lots of SF fun up there.

But more realistically? I think the birth rate will level out. Scientists have predicted a slowing trend. Or maybe at some point we’ll hit some new disease that takes out half of us. It’s happened before. Can take place again.

So don’t worry. We’ll all get to die. At some point.

Peace.

-Trident
That’s true. And…one word: Zika. Nature itself can be quite ingenious too in handling problems like these…
 
Something more powerful…I agree…in charge, I do not. My life is a consequence of my parent’s love for each other. So, no, I am not an accident.

John
At least you see this part, you are not an accident. Look into your ancestry and see what lengths God went to to get YOU! If just one of your ancestors took a different path or a different spouse–YOU would not be. There was only one path able to get YOU. Don’t you feel special? Well, you should and so should every person born for a chance at Eternal Life…
 
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