Hamas Cleric Predicts 'Rome Will Be Conquered by Islam'

[rlg94086]

Falwell was attempted to provide some context and common sense, clearly every religious nut cannot be taken seriously.

I find this very interesting, people here freak out over a MP saying something stupid, yet never seem to paus to consider how the Arab world feels knowing out government has extreamly close ties and it’s base is composed of nuts who beleive the end time will culminate in a final battle between the evil forces of the anti-Christ and Israel and her allies, especially when many of those said nuts belwive Islam is a satanic religion

As for is it important(MP’s comments), sure, all information is

Great, then how about we stay on-topic rather than bringing up red herrings like Falwell and “end-times” people? If you find a current article quoting one of those people, feel free to create a new thread dealing with it.

Again, I find this as just more evidence that we are right, along with the EU and PA, in not recognizing the Hamas government as legitmate. They are a terrorist organization.

 

[IvanKaramozov]

Great, then how about we stay on-topic rather than bringing up red herrings like Falwell and “end-times” people? If you find a current article quoting one of those people, feel free to create a new thread dealing with it.

It was utterly relavent, I am simply asking people to view this with a shred of objectivity rather than going straight to.

“OH NO! THE ARABS ARE COMMIN!!!”

Again, I find this as just more evidence that we are right, along with the EU and PA, in not recognizing the Hamas government as legitmate. They are a terrorist organization.

How so? What makes them better than China, other than our economic interests in China?

 

[Carolinagirl411]

I’m confused how Falwell and the end times got involved with this thread…

I’ve heard of prophecies in other threads that the catholic church will be driven underground again in the end times and people will be martyred etc… but I don’t think the Islamic religion would be responsible since the majority of Muslims are not radical terrorists and have no desire to conquer the Vatican.

There are many radicals out there who claim certain things, like they will destroy Israel, they will destroy America, they will destroy Europe, they will destroy anyone who isn’t Muslim…That’s a lot of destroying for a small sect of extremists and if they get their way no one would be left. Seems like a lot of hot air to me and they could only accomplish world domination with a strong force behind them.

The Vatican is safe, I think, for now. No worries.

 

[rlg94086]

It was utterly relavent, I am simply asking people to view this with a shred of objectivity rather than going straight to.

“OH NO! THE ARABS ARE COMMIN!!!”

I think you forgot the “ir” at the beggining of the word irrelevent.

No one has posted anything close to “…THE ARABS ARE COMMIN…”, so you are, again, mischaracterizing the response. All people have noted is the outlandish rhetoric employed by the Hamas MP. It is typical of Hamas, and yet many people think we need to engage them in the same manner that we engage non-terrorist leaders.

Ivan:

How so? What makes them better than China, other than our economic interests in China?

Now you want to bring in China? What does China have to do with the Hamas MP’s remarks?

 

[ChristIsTheWay]

He’s just another crank.

I don’t see how. He’s an elected representative of the Palestinian people and a religious leader. That is no crank.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Hey!! I’m still looking for Georgia, you know the place from which Jimmy Carter came. I can’t find it anywhere in Europe. I think there is one in Asia but none in Europe. I was trying to figure out how Jerry Falwell got into this discussion. He wasn’t Muslim, so far as I know. Was he from Georgia, too? Was he from that mythical European Georgia?

I wonder if there will ever be another post on this thread that has anything to do with the subject of the thread.

CDL

 

[garysibio]

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351242,00.html

Maybe they’ll make Jimmy Carter talk until we all kill ourselves.

Gary

 

[ba_bustanti]

Folks remember these are the same people that believe if they committ murder in the name of Allah they will have 70 virgins or so when they go meet their maker.

These people are working with half a deck. There are Muslims who are truly loving caring people. However there are crazies at some point in every religion. If it ever comes to it, we as Catholics will do what it takes to keep the faith going. With God on our side we will survive. As far as I know didn’t our faith come befor the Muslim faith. 2000 years of faith cannot be destroyed. Because people have always fought for it.

 

[garysibio]

Thank you, that was what I was trying to say and these people jump down my throat saying I only wanted news that fit my personal world view. People are blind if they don’t see the propaganda the news agencies are pushing to further the governments agenda in the middle east and here at home. They seem to take pleasure in telling Americans to be very afraid all the time. How often have seen the government say, Give up your liberties to protect yourself from these terrorists. I’m getting quite uncomfortable seeing the constitution and bill of rights being shredded and torn apart all on account of our supposed safety.

Exactly which liberties have you lost? Please be specific. I’m not interested in a rehash of leftist propaganda.

Gary

 

[Carolinagirl411]

Exactly which liberties have you lost? Please be specific. I’m not interested in a rehash of leftist propaganda.

Gary

Ok first of all, I am not a person promoting “leftist Propaganda” I do not follow the Leftist philosophy, nor do I follow the Right. I can’t go into too much detail about politics b/c the moderators made a rule about that and this post would be deleted. I do have some links for you though

lewrockwell.com/knaebel/knaebel11.html

If you do not trust that source do some of your own research about the H.R 1955 Thought Crime Bill being passed where in thinking bad things about your government can classify you as a terrorist. Personally I think this takes away the first amendment seeing as America was founded on the principle of criticizing your government, that is your right. That is one of the many reasons we broke away from England.

Here is epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

a link to the Patriot Act which takes away the 4th amendment

and recently the supreme court debated whether the 2nd amendment was valid.

Those are only a few of the things that bother my conscience that the “left” and “right” are guilty of. I trust neither and that is my personal opinion

 

[IvanKaramozov]

I think you forgot the “ir” at the beggining of the word irrelevent.

I don’t see how this is irrelivent.

I am simply asking for consistency.

People here seem to be takeing this nut seriously, and treating him as a serious problem, yet Jery Falwell had enormous influence over the most powerfull head of state in the world, has an Apolyptic theology involving a war between Israel and it’s allies and the forces of the Anti-Christ in the middle east, and was actively working to ensure America’s near unconditional support for Israel and continued military involvement in the middle east, and nobody seems to take his non-sense seriously.

The point was not to smear Falwell, it was to point out inconsistency in reaction, and some context.

No one has posted anything close to “…THE ARABS ARE COMMIN…”, so you are, again, mischaracterizing the response.

I think it’s fairly clearly that that remark was somewhat sarcastic/satirical.

However people clearly do have a less extream but simmilar mindset, if you doubt that for a second please read about the forum.

All people have noted is the outlandish rhetoric employed by the Hamas MP.

If the only point of this is that an unknown, obscure member of a small, weak countries parliment made used outlandish rhetoric, and made a rediculious and utterly unfufilliable threat, then why in the world is that newsworthy?

It is typical of Hamas, and yet many people think we need to engage them in the same manner that we engage non-terrorist leaders.

Again, I ask for consistency. Hammas has a military elemtn, but also a civil element. If you wish for specail engadgement with governments that employ terrorism to acheive ends then we shoulden’t be dealing with most of the countries in the world. We funded Indonesia while the unleashed a brutal genocide on East Timor, clearly our moral outrage with reguard to Hammas is not principled but selective.

Now you want to bring in China? What does China have to do with the Hamas MP’s remarks?

It has nothing to do with his remarks, it has to do with people’s reactions to his remarks. China is a state which uses terrorism to advance it’s goals, should we treat them like Hammas?

As I have said, all I ask for is consistency in reaction to the MP and Hammas

 

[rlg94086]

However people clearly do have a less extream but simmilar mindset, if you doubt that for a second please read about the forum.

What are you talking about? I have been on the forum a long time…you are asking me to “read about the forum?” Where am I supposed to “read about the forum?”

Ivan:

If the only point of this is that an unknown, obscure member of a small, weak countries parliment made used outlandish rhetoric, and made a rediculious and utterly unfufilliable threat, then why in the world is that newsworthy?

Again, if you are asking for us to consider Hamas and its MPs complete jokes and not a parliament we should treat with any respect, then I guess I will agree. I guess Carter shouldn’t be meeting with them, eh? (then again, he is kind of a joke now too, so perhaps it is the right place for him to be. )

Ivan:

Again, I ask for consistency. Hammas has a military elemtn, but also a civil element. If you wish for specail engadgement with governments that employ terrorism to acheive ends then we shoulden’t be dealing with** most of the countries in the world**. We funded Indonesia while the unleashed a brutal genocide on East Timor, clearly our moral outrage with reguard to Hammas is not principled but selective.

This MP is part of their “civil element,” but he obviously uses the same rhetoric as their terrorist, military element. Do your really think that most of the countries in the world “employ terrorism???” Are you well??

It has nothing to do with his remarks, it has to do with people’s reactions to his remarks. China is a state which uses terrorism to advance it’s goals, should we treat them like Hammas?

As I have said, all I ask for is consistency in reaction to the MP and Hammas

Yes, again another irrelevant remark. When Chinese leaders say nutty things, you will find a post on this forum and people complaining about China, so what is the inconsistency you speak of?

 

[IvanKaramozov]

What are you talking about? I have been on the forum a long time…you are asking me to “read about the forum?” Where am I supposed to “read about the forum?”

I mean read comments on the Forum, in “Non-Catholic Religions” There are blatant conspiricy theories about Muslims takeing over Europe and Islam is refered to as a “scourge of Civilization”

That is the mindset I am refering to.

Again, if you are asking for us to consider Hamas and its MPs complete jokes and not a parliament we should treat with any respect, then I guess I will agree. I guess Carter shouldn’t be meeting with them, eh? (then again, he is kind of a joke now too, so perhaps it is the right place for him to be. )

No.

When members of the US government make stupid, ignorant stataments about Muslims I do not take them seriously, that dosen;t mean I dismiss the entire house of representatives as a “joke”

This MP is part of their “civil element,” but he obviously uses the same rhetoric as their terrorist, military element. Do your really think that most of the countries in the world “employ terrorism???” Are you well??

Yes, I woulden;t venture to say most, certianly many of the more prominate ones. We have, China does, Russia, Many African countries, many countries in IndoChina, Israel, Iran, Egypt, Gaza etc.

Yes, again another irrlevant remark. When Chinese leaders say nutty things, you will find a post on this forum and people complaining about China, so what is the inconsistency you speak of?

I’m not talking about outlandish retoric and stupid threats, but actual actions of the Chinese government.

Such as government leaders of less urbanized regions employing “strike hard” campaigns which involve mass arrests and death penalties for petty crimes to ensure control of the populus.

Now, I do not see people reacting and highlighting these actual terroristic actions(they are certianly designed to terrorize the population into submission) with the same vigor and intensity as the retoric of some nutty MP.

You may well give a token concession about the Chinese government, but look around this board, do you see nearly the same alarm to Chinese terrorism and agressive movements as you see when it cokmes to Muslim terrorists.

I certianly don’t see equeal alarm, something I find a bit odd.

 

[rlg94086]

I mean read comments on the Forum, in “Non-Catholic Religions” There are blatant conspiricy theories about Muslims takeing over Europe and Islam is refered to as a “scourge of Civilization”

That is the mindset I am refering to.

No thanks…I’d rather stay on topic, then entertain a complete non sequitur.

Ivan:

When members of the US government make stupid, ignorant stataments about Muslims I do not take them seriously, that dosen;t mean I dismiss the entire house of representatives as a “joke”

Then address that when it happens…because I don’t know what you are talking about. You keep using generalizations without any reference.

Ivan:

Yes, I woulden;t venture to say most, certianly many of the more prominate ones. We have, China does, Russia, Many African countries, many countries in IndoChina, Israel, Iran, Egypt, Gaza etc.

LOL…you *did *venture to say “most…” read your own posts. Here is a refresher, in case you already forgot.
Ivan a whopping one post ago:

Again, I ask for consistency. Hammas has a military elemtn, but also a civil element. If you wish for specail engadgement with governments that employ terrorism to acheive ends then we shoulden’t be dealing with most of the countries in the world. We funded Indonesia while the unleashed a brutal genocide on East Timor, clearly our moral outrage with reguard to Hammas is not principled but selective.

Although, I do like how you added Gaza at the end…at least that one is on-topic.

Ivan:

I’m not talking about outlandish retoric and stupid threats, but actual actions of the Chinese government.

Such as government leaders of less urbanized regions employing “strike hard” campaigns which involve mass arrests and death penalties for petty crimes to ensure control of the populus.

Now, I do not see people reacting and highlighting these actual terroristic actions(they are certianly designed to terrorize the population into submission) with the same vigor and intensity as the retoric of some nutty MP.

You may well give a token concession about the Chinese government, but look around this board, do you see nearly the same alarm to Chinese terrorism and agressive movements as you see when it cokmes to Muslim terrorists.

I certianly don’t see equeal alarm, something I find a bit odd.

That is your personal perception…and again, totally off topic.

 

[IvanKaramozov]

No thanks…I’d rather stay on topic, then entertain a complete non sequitur.

Alright.

Then address that when it happens…because I don’t know what you are talking about. You keep using generalizations without any reference.

Rep. Bill Sali (R-ID), for an example.

Why would I make a thread about it? I was using that as an example of how I can dismiss members of a parliment as “jokes” but still recognise the parliment.

LOL…you *did *venture to say “most…” read your own posts. Here is a refresher, in case you already forgot.

Correct, which was an overstatement, I have no basis for such a quantative estimate, I did point to a number of nations that do, several of which we keep quite good ties with. I am wondering if you support treating them like we, in your oppinion, ought to treat Hammas. Should we refuse to recognise their governments?

Although, I do like how you added Gaza at the end…at least that one is on-topic.

Alright.

That is your personal perception…and again, totally off topic.

The last line was my oppinion, the substence of the paragraph was on topic. I am asking for an accounting of the discrepency between reactions of terroristic retoric by a MP, and the actual terroristic actions of various governments we are involved with.

 

[rlg94086]

Rep. Bill Sali (R-ID), for an example.

Why would I make a thread about it? I was using that as an example of how I can dismiss members of a parliment as “jokes” but still recognise the parliment.

Okay…well, please, please, please quote another member of the Hamas parliament that says something sensible.

 

[manualman]

Those are my alternatives?

Look, I’ve not said that such things shouldn’t be published, I’m not against people publishing stories about Elvis driving a bus on the moon or, more far-fetched, I’ll admit, the idea that Hamas are going to take over Rome.

See the difference is that there are no Elvis fans out there killing people over his perceived goal of getting to the moon. Surely you can see that?

There are a lot of well-intentioned people out there who really believe that Hamas is a group of freedom fighters seeking only justice and a peaceable homeland. The story here isn’t about Rome being in danger! The STORY is about revealing the true nature of what Hamas IS via the message of one of its own officials! It is an organization that seeks to manipulate people through hatred towards the goal of achieving personal power for the group’s leaders. The story is just exhibit A of that assertion. Or rather Exhibit ZZZXB.

Would you not find it to be headline material if a Republican party boss in a big city precinct in the south gave a rally speech about purging his precinct of the dirty N’s? I sure would, and that guy’s career would be where is belonged: the dung heap. I wonder if this Hamas guy has lost his position as a result of his hatred? Don’t hold your breath.

 

[Kaninchen]

See the difference is that there are no Elvis fans out there killing people over his perceived goal of getting to the moon. Surely you can see that?

There’s something there that I think you’re missing. [think ‘moon’, think ‘sense of reality’, think ‘sense of proportion’, stuff like that]

There are a lot of well-intentioned people out there who really believe that Hamas is a group of freedom fighters seeking only justice and a peaceable homeland.

You might not know this, I’m Jewish. Not only am I Jewish but I’ve spent/I spend a lot of time around Rome - you could say I have a vested interest.

The story here isn’t about Rome being in danger! The STORY is about revealing the true nature of what Hamas IS via the message of one of its own officials!

You see, that might work as an explanation except this is ‘Catholic News’ not ‘War on Terror’.

If the true nature of what ‘Hamas IS’ is to be taken from the message, then the true nature of Hamas is clearly “not very well”. You see, some Hamas guy saying ‘we’ll take Jerusalem’ or ‘we’ll bomb Rome’, that’s a threat, that’s menacing. Some Hamas guy saying ‘we’ll take Rome’, is just silly bluster.

 

[manualman]

You see, that might work as an explanation except this is ‘Catholic News’ not ‘War on Terror’.

Point fairly granted.

I tend to read articles other than in the light of which forum they are posted on. Certainly true, it ain’t much in the way of legitimate ‘catholic news.’

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

make no mistake, islam is the enemy. christianity has been at war with islam from the time that devil inspired false prophet mohammed and his followers sacked his first christian city in the middle east.

secular atheism and hedonism has allowed islam to take a foot hold in the west. i take this threat seriously.

will there be enough christian warriors to send them and their dirty beards back to mecca?