Happy Reformation Day?

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The Reformation makes me so sad, I can’t even think about it and if I sit and contemplate it I cry.
 
Generally speaking, would that be General Motors or General Electric?
 
ScottEH said:
Having grown up in an LCMS church, I can say the “general” attitude toward the Catholic Church was one along the lines of resentment. Among those who had an opinion on the matter, the CC was not exactly looked upon favorably. I’m sure there were exceptions, but that is how it was.
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Are you from Wisconsin? :confused:
 
Rose74 said:
I have a friend who wrote this on Facebook. She is a reformed christian through and through, but I don’t understand why someone would say it is a happy day. I can’t imagine an Orthodox person writing “Happy Schism Day”.
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The Orthodox do, however, celebrate the “Sunday of Orthodoxy” and several other festivals commemorating the overcoming of heresy.

Some Protestants (by no means all) celebrate “Reformation Day” not to applaud the division of the Church but to applaud what they consider a victory for the Gospel and for a clearer understanding of orthodox Christianity.

I believe that they are wrong. But if their premises are correct, they are right to celebrate the Reformation. It shouldn’t be objected to on grounds of rudeness or lack of charity. It should be objected to because in fact the doctrines of the Reformation were either wrong or not necessarily opposed to Catholic teaching. Hence, the Protestant Reformation was not a “tragic necessity” and not a triumph, taken as a whole, for orthodox Christianity.

Edwin
 
For simply selfish reasons, I like the change from months of Pentecost green to brilliant red paraments/ chasuble for today’s lesser feast. Years ago the church calendar allowed an octave to include Reformation Sunday with festive Vespers and potluck dinner! 😃
 
Rose74 said:
I have a friend who wrote this on Facebook. She is a reformed christian through and through, but I don’t understand why someone would say it is a happy day. I can’t imagine an Orthodox person writing “Happy Schism Day”.
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It’s the day that Martin Luther nailed the “truth” to a church door. Who wouldn’t be happy? 😃
 
phil19034 said:
Pretty much they do have “ugly thoughts” about the Catholic Church (in one way or another). And if some Lay people don’t, their clergy do. All of the Protestant Churches have one thing in common… “The Catholic Church is wrong and they are right.” If the Protestant clergy ever said “hey those Catholics are OK” then the “need” for seperate Churches would disappear. The Reformation distroyed the Church and we Catholics are still affected by it every day.
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I have to admit that I know of Lutherans who have “ugly thoughts” about the Catholic Church but I also know many who have much respect for it. I don’t believe in putting up a wall between our traditions. In my seminary education, I took a number of my courses in Catholic seminaries and was blessed by the opportunity to learn more about Catholic theology. I am still a Lutheran, but I do not and will not speak ill of my Catholic brethren.
 
LegoGE1947 said:
Generally speaking, would that be General Motors or General Electric?
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It’s Mills 🙂

Remember, General statements can be a Major headache. They assume people’s Private thoughts, although they often contain a Colonel of truth.
 
I’m not a big fan of celebrating Reformation Day, so like a good Protestant, I protested against it by tweeting some of my favorite quotes from the past few Popes today.
 
ScottEH said:
Huh? :confused:

No, but what does that have to do with anything I said?
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Oh, I have some relatives that fit your previous comment just perfectly. Just wondering if there was a geographic similarity happening. 🙂
 
Edmundus1581 said:
While we can’t agree with Protestants that it is a happy day, I think that it’s a good day for Catholics to remember that much of the fault which led to the Reformation was on our side.

It’s also a good day to listen to the music of J.S. Bach. 🙂
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Edmundus - it was all of us. Human beings are awful, yet precious in the eyes of the Lord!
 
Rose74 said:
I have a friend who wrote this on Facebook. She is a reformed christian through and through, but I don’t understand why someone would say it is a happy day. I can’t imagine an Orthodox person writing “Happy Schism Day”.
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Its a bittersweet day for me.

My particular Lutheran church honors Reformation on this Sunday.

I tend to take a more celebratory stance, but still remember that schism is always a difficult decision.
 
angell1 said:
well, most of the protestants i know have told me that was their reason. and let’s be honest, that is kind of how it started. martin luther thought the church had corrupted church doctrine and there were lots of abuses among the clergy. which, of course, i odnt’ deny that their were. but i think there could have been better ways to solve the issue. i’m sorry if my comment doesn’t apply to you, it wasn’t meant to be a generalization. but i see your point, i will be more careful with wording next time. my apologies
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No need to apologize, as I wasn’t offended. Just pointing out that there the umbrella name of “protestant” covers a vast swath of territory.
I agree that there were better ways to solve the problems of that era. Both sides could have done more to prevent that particular schism (Catholic / Lutheran).

Jon
 
Mike_from_NJ said:
It’s Mills 🙂

Remember, General statements can be a Major headache. They assume people’s Private thoughts, although they often contain a Colonel of truth.
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Chiefly speaking it sounds Petty to me but I’m just an Apprentice. So I must Enlist your help to Recruit a response.
 
Rose, you raise a good question. Quite frankly, I don’t feel entirely comfortable wishing my protestant/reformed friends a “Happy Reformation Day”.

But regarding the swipe you took at the Orthodox:
Rose74 said:
I have a friend who wrote this on Facebook. She is a reformed christian through and through, but I don’t understand why someone would say it is a happy day. I can’t imagine an Orthodox person writing “Happy Schism Day”.
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I find that highly offensive. :mad: (I guess I should assume it was unintentional. 🤷)
 
Edmundus1581 said:
While we can’t agree with Protestants that it is a happy day, I think that it’s a good day for Catholics to remember that much of the fault which led to the Reformation was on our side.

It’s also a good day to listen to the music of J.S. Bach. 🙂
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I listened to the music of Bert Kaempfert. bert kaempfert youtube
 
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