Harry Potter and exorcists

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As has been repeatedly stated on this thread I have yet to see any of them talk with any real knowledge of the content of the books. They hear the word witch and make their judgment based solely on that… or second hand hearsay of there being “real spells” in the books. The wizards of the Potter fictional universe are magical beings with natural abilities. Do these same exorcists condemn the very Catholic Lord of the Rings? All of the arguments presented so far are ludicrous to those familiar with the actual texts.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Is it really necessary to elevate a kid’s fantasy book series to this level of analysis?
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And have you read of any statements coming out of faculties of mystical and ascetical theology on the topic of Harry Potter? There is a reason you haven’t.
 
Oh yes, I forgot Mary Poppins. And also the revival of “Bedknobs and Broomsticks” where the witch is fighting the Nazis. And a Disney film called “Escape to Witch Mountain” about two kids with psychic powers. My mom took me to all these Disney films as well as all the old fairy tale Disney favorites like Cinderella and Snow White. There was a witch or a magical person in just about every single Disney movie and they were all huge events at the theater even in reruns because there was no streaming or Netflix or video rental to see them anywhere else but the movies. I don’t remember my mom, or any other Catholic mom, being the least bit concerned about any of these films.
 
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That is snarky.

A blog isn’t really an official source. It wouldn’t cut it for saying any other priest has been repeatedly kicked out of diocese. Rumor on what appears to be a traditionalist website generally gets ignored. Why would it be an official source in this case?
 
MtnDwellar said:
It seems that you have already moved beyond charitable and into detraction.
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You want to accuse me of being uncharitable and detractive? That is not going to elicit my helping you with a list of questions from you. You have taken the wrong tactic.
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Father Amorth was a remarkable man and, Yes, he had a bizarre life. What else would be expected from someone who battles directly with the forces of evil?
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I knew Father Amorth. Did you?
MtnDwellar said:
Again, Father Euteneuer had issues. Everyone has issues. I don’t think his issues discredit his teaching about the demonic.
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Everyone has issues? Well, in my diocese, our exorcists do not engage in sexual activity with a woman on whom they are doing an exorcism. God forbid that one of our priests would act in such a way but it would result in much the same punitive actions taken respectively by the Diocese of Arlington and the Diocese of Palm Beach…and you may consult them for their press releases on this matter.

I suggest, again, you have a greater scrutiny with regard to what could be termed “celebrity exorcists” and instead look to priests who have that mandate and who have a lower profile – and who are thinking with the mind of the Church and the Bishops of today.
 
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His nonsense, in this particular case, has already been clearly illustrated on this thread. Please read back through the entire thread…in short, Father attributed a very mundane chemical accident, which was the result of a mentally ill woman messing about in her kitchen, to the use of a Harry Potter spell… Father has been utterly refuted. He jumped on a superstitious explanation where there was a very natural explanation. That sort of nonsense is INCREDIBLY damaging to the faith…souls are lost by the irresponsible actions of Catholics who act more like fundamentalist Protestants…
 
Fair enough. But Harry Potter doesn’t present anything remotely resembling erotica nor real Occult witchcraft.
 
The level of “critical argument” that we’ve seen on this thread, in regards to Harry Potter, would apply equally to Marry Poppins… clearly another example of Occult inspiring danger!
After all, didn’t it include the following famous tune?
“Just a spoonful of the demonic will help the medicine go down…”

Oh wait…
 
yeah, and then this wife of her boss - not very submissive (didn´t she wanted to demonstrade for her right to vote? unbelievable.)
What an idol for children. And this loose friendship with the street artist guy? A scandal.
 
I personally have used Harry Potter as a tool of evangelization. I remember discussing the sacrifice of Christ with a Potter fan using the analogy of the infant Harry being saved by the shed blood of his mother:
“While you can still call home the place where your mother’s blood dwells, there you cannot be touched or harmed by Voldemort. He shed her blood, but it lives on in you and in her sister. Her blood became your refuge.” - Dumbledore to Harry.

Of course, Rowling has explicitly stated that much of the final book, “The Deathly Hallows”, was inspired by her Christian upbringing…Harry dies for his friends, rises again, and saves his loved ones from the Dark Lord.
 
Let us not forget that Mary, in addition to being a witch who cavorted all night with a male chimney sweep, also was imbuing those two children with left-wing socialist/ anarchist principles that caused them to trigger a protest and a mob scene at a respectable bank of which their father was an officer.
 
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Oh yes, this communist bird lady! How could I forget! And this immodest singing all the time…
 
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She also claimed to be “practically perfect in every way”, yet Scripture clearly teaches that those who claim to have no sin are liars…every copy of this film must be hunted down and burned in the town square!

I heard that some innocent children, after watching the film, attempted Mary’s cleaning spell to clean their room…it resulted in the whole town going up in flames! True story.
 
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I am not familiar with him or his credentials. But even so if there isn’t a public declaration of this claim it would be a rumor which is gossip.
 
oh, yes. I just meant that the intensity I used to condemn his lack of knowledge of Jack and the Beanstalk was not appropriate haha
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I suggest, again, you have a greater scrutiny with regard to what could be termed “celebrity exorcists” and instead look to priests who have that mandate and who have a lower profile – and who are thinking with the mind of the Church and the Bishops of today.
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Thanks for the suggestion, Father. I really don’t have a dog in this race. I have no inclination to read Harry Potter. I merely feel that we should hold the teachings of our own exorcists in high regard.

Part of an exorcism is determining the opening that allowed demonic access. If exorcists tell us that Harry Potter is one such opening, we should probably believe them. Why make this up? Did they conspire together against the books?

Your opinion seems to be that the exorcist’s experiences should be disregarded.

Your suggestion to find lower profile exorcists is not practical. As a lay person, I don’t have access to them.
 
Cruciferi said:
Nope. I see where you’re going with this. :roll_eyes: I believe he had comple control of his faculties and was merely stating the truth.
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You may think whatever you please…that does not change reality. But for some of us, this was not a remote reality.

The reality is that Cardinal Poletti, when he was in charge of the Vicariato, appointed a Pauline priest to be an exorcist for the diocese of Rome…that was Father Amorth. The Cardinal made that appointment in 1985 and Father had an office right near the Scala Santa.

In the ensuing 29 years, he contended at the end of his life that he had performed over 70.000 exorcisms.

Do you know the rite of exorcism? Actually, you shouldn’t. Because those texts are not made available to non-clergy. Those of us who have them, possess them because we either use them due to a mandate from our respective bishop or we are lecturing on the rite and its aspects to either seminarians or priests because it is within our theological competence to do so.

In order to accomplish 70.000 exorcisms in 29 years – and he said the number was beyond that but we’ll leave it at 70.000 – one would need to do over six and a half exorcisms per day, every day, without break, for 29 years. Considering Father was under canonical obligations, involving mandatory retreat, mandatory events involving his community and other times when I know he was away, you end up with a much higher number per day.

One actual exorcism is extremely daunting…extremely. We are not talking about the rite for blessing holy water or candles. This is a very involved rite and, frankly, brutal rite.

There’s a lot more one could add about what Father Amorth was saying at the end of his life – but I am not going to. It does not serve any purpose at this point, some 18 months after his death.
 
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