'Harry Potter and yoga are evil', says Catholic Church exorcist

[Farsight001]

Well, avoiding exposing your children to an introduction into the occult is a good idea, especially if you have exorcists and the Pope cautioning about these things. The devil is real and he is t r i c k y. A master at deception. To introduce an entire generations of children to witchcraft and the occult will surely yield some sort of crop for him…

Knowing something about the occult and real witchcraft, I know they resemble Harry Potter and yoga in exactly zero ways. The pope’s “cautioning” has been done to death time and time again. I highly suggest you read it in context. Either way, I don’t really care about the pope’s personal opinion. His favorite type of music is classical. Should I try and conform to that too?

 

[Gabriel_Serafin]

Yeah when you start saying exercise is a children’s book is evil then you need to think of retirement or e forced.

No need to be rude. Instead, study the issue. By the way, what does “Independent Catholic” mean?

 

[Gabriel_Serafin]

Knowing something about the occult and real witchcraft, I know they resemble Harry Potter and yoga in exactly zero ways. The pope’s “cautioning” has been done to death time and time again. I highly suggest you read it in context. Either way, I don’t really care about the pope’s personal opinion. His favorite type of music is classical. Should I try and conform to that too?

Again, I trust the opinion of exorcists and popes more than Farsight001. But witchcraft is a central theme in the Harry Potter series. You know something about the occult and witchcraft? What does that mean?

 

[Catholic90]

Again, I trust the opinion of exorcists and popes more than Farsight001. But witchcraft is a central theme in the Harry Potter series. You know something about the occult and witchcraft? What does that mean?

Witchcraft is not a “central theme”. It is not a theme at all. The main themes have to do with love conquers evil, good beats evil, sacrificing oneself for one’s friends, choosing to do good, etc.

It is set in an alternative world - not real. It is fantasy fiction, again NOT REAL.

Why is that so hard to grasp for some people?

 

[Sonic]

I’ve heard three exorcists state that they are now dealing with exorcism cases linked to the Harry Potter series and/or strongly warning people to stay away from the series. Clearly something is going on to have alarmed them to the point of risking being ridiculed in the public lime-light. Edit: I think it’s unreasonable to simply assume that they are all kooks or the equivalent of medieval witch doctors.

Assuming it’s not the content of the book, then clearly something else is going on.

From my earlier post #26 which mentions the audio link in the website below…

For those who are either perplexed or interested in why so many Catholic exorcists have been talking about Harry Potter and seemed alarmed by it, check out Lesson 2b under Spiritual Warfare on Fr. Ripperger’s website.

Starting at 00:08:21 to 00:09:45 of the audio file, you will hear mention of some actual cases involving the Harry Potter series (more detailed information would probably encroach on the privacy of the people involved).

sensustraditionis.org/multimedia.html

I will add that this sort of thing is not isolated to just the Harry Potter series. Many news articles have mentioned warnings from Exorcists like Fr. Amorth and Fr. Euteneuer, but they have not followed up to find out why the exorcists have become alarmed.

I suggest listening to the whole series to better understand the full context of what is being said.

 

[Gabriel_Serafin]

Witchcraft is not a “central theme”. It is not a theme at all. The main themes have to do with love conquers evil, good beats evil, sacrificing oneself for one’s friends, choosing to do good, etc.

It is set in an alternative world - not real. It is fantasy fiction, again NOT REAL.

Why is that so hard to grasp for some people?

Yes, it is a very entertaining and well made movie. Fun to watch. The problem with entertainment is that it often presents sin in a fun, noble and harmless way. But the issue is whether it introduces children into dabbling with the occult. Scripture condemns conjuring up spirits, casting spell, divination, etc. all of which are presented in a very fun way in this movie. The danger with Hollywood is that it is very influential. After all, where else do you have the complete attention of a human being for two hours, sitting in the dark staring at your message with 100% attention? Incidentally, do you think it is a coincidence that gay characters in movies are usually portrayed as very noble, and likable characters? Realize that there are agendas behind movies, and behind beautifully packaged sin is always the ugly face of Satan. So don’t dismiss the concerns of exorcists when they caution against these movies which present sorcery, incantations, the conjuring up of spirits and casting spells as a wonderfully harmless and fun entertainment.

There’s a reason why society is rotting, and spending money on movies to watch people sin is not the wisest idea, especially with children involved. Being that both Hitler and Stalin discovered the power of “talking pictures” as powerful world-changing propaganda, understand that the devil influences the minds of movie-makers and the bodies of actors to portray sin in a fun, “everybody’s doing it” way.

Pornography is also often presented very elegantly and for visual consumption in countless ways, but the rotten fruit is impure thoughts which affect countless people in many different ways. For some it leads to fornication, others promiscuity, adultery, etc. which then leads to broken homes, fatherless children. Thus a corrupt small seed takes root and bears rotten fruit. And make no mistake, there’s a reason why Scripture describes Satan as a dragon waging war, and the casualties are lost souls.

 

[Farsight001]

Again, I trust the opinion of exorcists and popes more than Farsight001. But witchcraft is a central theme in the Harry Potter series.

No, witchcraft is not a central theme. They are NOTHING ALIKE. Clearly, you don’t know the first thing about real witchcraft. Regardless of the opinion of exorcists and popes about the danger of Harry Potter, one thing is for certain, and that is that they in no way resemble each other.

 

[Gabriel_Serafin]

No, witchcraft is not a central theme. They are NOTHING ALIKE. Clearly, you don’t know the first thing about real witchcraft. Regardless of the opinion of exorcists and popes about the danger of Harry Potter, one thing is for certain, and that is that they in no way resemble each other.

Being a wizard is to practice sorcery (witchcraft) . In the movie Harry Potter is a young wizard. You said know something about the occult and witchcraft? What does that mean?

 

[curlycool89]

Again, I trust the opinion of exorcists and popes more than Farsight001. But witchcraft is a central theme in the Harry Potter series. You know something about the occult and witchcraft? What does that mean?

Ok, lets get something straight here before you make a fool of yourself.

I’m an engineering student, which means my literary skills are a little ancient, but even I know that witchcraft is not a theme in Harry Potter. A theme is a central idea or subject of a work. Sparknotes says theme “are the fundamental and often universal ideas explored in a literary work.”

JK Rowling is on the record as saying the central theme of Harry Potter is about death.
The central plot of the main villain is death, the death of his enemies and the avoidance of death at all costs for himself.

Sparksnotes says the themes of the first book, for example, are:

1. Value of humility;
2. The Occasional Necessity of Rebellion; and
3. The Dangers of Desire

Funny, I don’t see witchcraft listed there. Because it’s not a theme.

It’s one of my fundamental duties as an engineering student to make fun of arts students, but at least arts students have some idea of what they’re talking about when they talk about literature (great, now I’m complimenting arts students, and english majors at that).

All we ask is that when your going to speak about something, take some time and maybe some effort first to see if what you’re saying is logical or even makes sense, because what you said clearly made no sense at all and obviously was unresearched (this took me 2 minutes with Google, it’s not that hard). What you said sounds more like some off-the-cuff remark or a whitty retort, something that would probably get you laughed out of a first year english class.

So your yourself and all of us a favour. Put some effort into what you’re going to say, or don’t say it at all. Otherwise, you just end up looking foolish.

Being that both Hitler and Stalin discovered the power of “talking pictures” as powerful world-changing propaganda, understand that the devil influences the minds of movie-makers and the bodies of actors to portray sin in a fun, “everybody’s doing it” way.

Apparently you’ve never seen the stuff Disney put together for war propaganda for the Allies (mostly the US). Also, I again must have forgotten my tin-foil hat. I didn’t realize it was tin-foil hat day again (it seems to happen a lot around these parts).

 

[Farsight001]

Being a wizard is to practice sorcery (witchcraft) . In the movie Harry Potter is a young wizard. You said know something about the occult and witchcraft? What does that mean?

And fictional witchcraft resembles real witchcraft in exactly zero ways. I said this already. Do you actually think they’re similar because they’re called the same thing? Because that’s ridiculous.

And I already explained what I meant.

 

[Catholic90]

Yes, it is a very entertaining and well made movie. Fun to watch.

The books are far better than the movies. The books have excellent messages of love, self sacrifice, good defeating evil, etc.

Have you read them?

If you have not, then you cannot really argue the point about HP.

Again, fantasy fiction. No real witchcraft. Most elementary school children can tell fiction from reality.

 

[Catholic90]

Being a wizard is to practice sorcery (witchcraft) . In the movie Harry Potter is a young wizard. You said know something about the occult and witchcraft? What does that mean?

Again, HP is FICTION. That means it is not real. It is made up. It is an imaginary world. Pretend. Fantasy. Make believe.

 

[erine]

Fr. Amorth frequently pops up in threads here. He is invariably cited as “chief exorcist for the Vatican.” I have never seen any evidence that such a position exists. Similarly, given that even cardinal-electors must step down at 80, I doubt that Fr. Amorth, at 86, is chief of anything. His statements regarding Harry Potter and yoga as provided by him to various UK newspapers appear to be frequently recycled years after they originated. In reading about Fr. Amorth, he apparently stated in 2000 that he had, at that point, conducted 50,000 exorcisms, which would work out to 10 per day, 7 days per week, for the entire duration of his priesthood. I find that dubious and totally inconsistent with the level of scrutiny that I understand is brought to cases of alleged “demon possession.”

I thought it could refer to multiple exorcisms per person since people could have multiple bad spirits. At any rate, Fr. Amorth’s books have helped me immensely and I think we would all do well to at least listen to him. He has way more experience than most of us with this demonic stuff, even if some sources mix up his title.

 

[erine]

Plenty of people do Ouija board and Wicca without intending to open themselves up to evil, but they open themselves up anyway.

 

[erine]

I think it’s wise to listen to priests more experienced with demonic activity than average. Even if said priest is misquoted and/or has a lot of places saying different things about him. As someone who suffered serious harm from the occult, even though my involvement was mild and never into any dark stuff, AND I had no intention of doing anything wrong or opening myself up to bad forces…well, these days I don’t mind giving up some worldly hobby, to protect myself, just in case. Really, how can it be worth the risk? I’ll listen to the experienced exorcists (Fr. Amorth is not the only one warning us about these things) than my own conclusions based on my logic. Pretty sure the devil doesn’t care if his plans make sense to my logic or seem possible from my view.

 

[erine]

There are thousands of gods in the Hindu religion, with gods for all of the natural elements in the cosmos. For example, Dyaush Pita is the sky father, Vayu is the wind god, Parjanya is the rain god, Agni the fire god, etc. etc.
Question, if Satanists came up with a great set of exercises which contorted the body into different poses representing the devil, would you do them?

In Sacred Scripture, God said: "For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5).

Instead of Yoga, I would recommend some basic stretching and jumping jacks instead of using your body to pose like the different gods in pagan religions…
http://www.om-sweet-om.net/shiva-hindu-god-ramki.jpg

Yes good poit about satanism. And the arguments people make about intentions are weak too…plenty of people dabble in occult without intending to get closer to Satan. And they end up there anyway. Yoga is seriously just not worth that! Do normal stretches! Tons dancers in the west stretched and stayed just as flexible for years, before yoga came over here. I used to do yoga but once I converted it didn’t make me feel good anymore, just heavy. One can still stay limber without going to a yoga class.

 

[mlz]

There is one thing the enemy wants more than anything…to think he doesn’t exist and mock those that believe so. We must trust the leaders in this area of the Church and to hear so much disrespect for this man who is the Church’s “expert” in this area is disappointing. The works of the evil one have been seeping into our society slowly but becoming more and more prevailent. The disregard is a sad state of the spirituality of our country and one of which I will continue to pray. Trust the leaders of the Church Christ founded and start researching in His Word and books written by valid Catholics involved with the occult. Be open to His revelation of this to you, don’t be blinded, it’s real.

My prayers,
mlz

 

[Gabriel_Serafin]

Again, HP is FICTION. That means it is not real. It is made up. It is an imaginary world. Pretend. Fantasy. Make believe.

Realize that the vast majority of Hollywood movies are fictional too. You’re missing the point. You can watch a fictional pornographic movie and have all kinds of seeds planted in your head, especially if you are young and highly impressionable. Sorcery, witchcraft , conjuring up spirits, divination, and incantations are all part of the occult, and these books and movies are filled with this stuff. All the exorcists are saying is to be careful what you fill your child’s minds with.

 

[Gabriel_Serafin]

Farsight001:
I missed it. All I read is that you speak with wiccans and witches for your job. Again, what does that mean? What is your actual experience with witchcraft and sorcery?
You seem rather dismissive of the exorctsis who have raised red flags about the Harry Potter series. Can you please elaborate?

 

[Catholic90]

Realize that the vast majority of Hollywood movies are fictional too. You’re missing the point. You can watch a fictional pornographic movie and have all kinds of seeds planted in your head, especially if you are young and highly impressionable. Sorcery, witchcraft , conjuring up spirits, divination, and incantations are all part of the occult, and these books and movies are filled with this stuff. All the exorcists are saying is to be careful what you fill your child’s minds with.

You can’t seriously be comparing HP to pornography? If you are, then I can’t take you seriously!

Have you read the HP books? Or just going on hearsay? If you have not read them yourself, you cannot really argue against them.:nope: