'Harry Potter and yoga are evil', says Catholic Church exorcist

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I suspect it may even be a joke. I thought it was kinda funny, at a ny rate. I am about as inclined to believe that Harry Potter readers have satanic rituals as I am to believe that Catholic priests conduct orgies and bachanalias in the basements of their churches, which was once a popular myth among American protestants. I imagine with photoshop one might be able to create “evidence” of that as well.
 
I was going to ask where you got this picture. I claim that your picture is bogus.
I’m sure he knows it’s bogus, because the image’s origin is an Onion article: 😃

theonion.com/articles/harry-potter-books-spark-rise-in-satanism-among-ch,2413/
Thanks for explaining that to me. I guess Harry Potter is okay after all! I didn’t realize.
Dude, the photo is from the Onion. It’s satire.

theonion.com/articles/harry-potter-books-spark-rise-in-satanism-among-ch,2413/
I suspect it may even be a joke.
You suspect correctly. See above. 🙂
 
I’m sure he knows it’s bogus, because the image’s origin is an Onion article: 😃

theonion.com/articles/harry-potter-books-spark-rise-in-satanism-among-ch,2413/
😛 I love the onion. But lets be honest about our sources from now on. (It does seem like the person who posted this picture got it from wiki, and thus didn’t perhaps know it was satire (making fun of the anti HP position) but maybe we can stop pulling ridiculous pictures off the web to try and prove a point).
 
I feel many of the posters on this subject take things to seriously and intellectually. Almost like how many angels can dance on the head of pin. Yoga to the vast majority in our nation is simply stretching and breathing exercises. HP, Grimm, Tolkien and others have some subliminal messages for a few and for most part are positive. I think for the vast majority they are just fun fairy tales that get kids reading, away from TV and video games. I believe they do far more good then any harm. Maybe I am loosened up to much.
 
Alright, I checked out A Landscape With Dragons this morning at the library. I’ve got till January 12th to read it. It’s the newest edition of the book. The book is only six chapters long, which is good because I’ll have it read in a couple of days.

I’ll let you know whether DGDDavidson’s analysis is reliable.
I’m now on Chapter 5, and I should have this book finished by tomorrow. I’ve only got two more chapters after this one (which includes the conclusion as a related final essay). So far, it’s looking like DGDDavidson didn’t actually read A Landscape With Dragons by Michael O’Brien. I’ve already encountered many of the sections mentioned in his analysis, and O’Brien’s own words contradict what is being claimed by DGDDavidson.

The claim that O’Brien thinks Dungeons and Dragons is a “Cult” is totally out of context. It seems to be a tongue and cheek joke directed at those people who blame role playing games for causing problems like “suicide”, but seem to miss the point that these problems don’t come from too much “make believe”.

The book is not about “Dragons” or the proper use of “Dragons” as a symbol. That’s something else that has been taken out of context. O’Brien feels the devil (the real evil dragon) should always be portrayed as the devil. That is the context he has set throughout his book. Other than that, he is only using the dragon image as a literary device… a vehicle to keep the information in the book moving along from chapter to chapter.

I have not encountered anything about Harry Potter in this book. The fact that A Landscape With Dragons is being used to discredit O’Brien’s other books is rather dubious, and now I’m interested in reading more of his books to learn what he has to say.

The book is actually about how modern psychology is influencing morality, philosophy, and religion (especially Christianity). This new thinking is then being reflected in literature and movies and often being overlooked because many people accept these new ideas as not being in conflict with Catholicism.

So far, the book appears fair and balanced and doesn’t attack any book. It rightly highlights the pros and cons of each book mentioned.

I will let everyone know when I’ve finished.
 
This is the first time I’ve commented in this forum, so I apologize if you’ve already discussed this.

When I was pregnant with my first child, I took a class offered through the local hospital that was yoga for moms to be. I paid for the whole thing and went to the first class and never went back because it felt strange. I had not started my RCIA classes yet, but I just had a feeling that something was not right. It’s not just posing, it’s VERY spiritual. The instructor had a little gong that she would ring and then tell us to let the good spirits in to be with our babies. She played weird music and dimmed the lights. She talked to us the whole time about getting inside of ourselves and communing with our babies. It didn’t feel like exercise at all. It was creepy. I kind of feel validated now and I think we should trust the priest who said that yoga is bad. How could we know more than him about this??

I also read all the Harry Potter books before I became Catholic. I have 3 small children now and I got rid of them because I’m afraid they’ll read them some day. I had no basis for doing it and when I threw them away I didn’t do it because someone told me too. I just had a feeling that I should do it and that these are the kind of books that pull people farther from God. Especially young children who are just getting their religious foundation formed. I think we get these feelings from our hearts and a lot of people just ignore them because they don’t go with the popular culture. The popular culture is a mess and I think it is completely contrary to God. We should be counter cultural when raising our children these days andwe need to be diligent in monitoring what we expose them to, and what we expose ourselves to. Garbage in, garbage out! Fill your free time with books about Saints, make the Saints and Jesus your children’s superheroes. They have so much more to give than Harry Potter. And they’re real.

Call me ulra-conservative or whatever, but I’m listening to my heart because that’s where Jesus lives.
 
I also read all the Harry Potter books before I became Catholic. I have 3 small children now and I got rid of them because I’m afraid they’ll read them some day. I had no basis for doing it and when I threw them away I didn’t do it because someone told me too. I just had a feeling that I should do it and that these are the kind of books that pull people farther from God. Especially young children who are just getting their religious foundation formed. I think we get these feelings from our hearts and a lot of people just ignore them because they don’t go with the popular culture. The popular culture is a mess and I think it is completely contrary to God. We should be counter cultural when raising our children these days andwe need to be diligent in monitoring what we expose them to, and what we expose ourselves to. Garbage in, garbage out! Fill your free time with books about Saints, make the Saints and Jesus your children’s superheroes. They have so much more to give than Harry Potter. And they’re real.

Call me ulra-conservative or whatever, but I’m listening to my heart because that’s where Jesus lives.
*“The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?” *- Jeremiah 17:9

When discerning something like this, emotions are no sure guide. They can lead us astray and be irrational. Reason and a responsible exercise of the intellect is what should shape such decisions.

The fact is that, as other posters have explained and documented, Harry Potter is in many ways - thematically, structurally, and in its imagery - a fundamentally Christian work.

This book is one of several out there that document and praise the Christian aspects of the series. The author of this particular one is a devout eastern Orthodox Christian with a family of his own.
 
*“The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?” *- Jeremiah 17:9

When discerning something like this, emotions are no sure guide. They can lead us astray and be irrational. Reason and a responsible exercise of the intellect is what should shape such decisions.

The fact is that, as other posters have explained and documented, Harry Potter is in many ways - thematically, structurally, and in its imagery - a fundamentally Christian work.

This book is one of several out there that document and praise the Christian aspects of the series. The author of this particular one is a devout eastern Orthodox Christian with a family of his own.
👍 That book looks great!

I just sent her a PM with my usual suggestion for Catholic parents regarding HP : osv.com/BooksNav/OSVBookandProductsInformation/TheMysteryofHarryPotter/tabid/3880/Default.aspx
 
I’m now on Chapter 5, and I should have this book finished by tomorrow. I’ve only got two more chapters after this one (which includes the conclusion as a related final essay). So far, it’s looking like DGDDavidson didn’t actually read A Landscape With Dragons by Michael O’Brien. I’ve already encountered many of the sections mentioned in his analysis, and O’Brien’s own words contradict what is being claimed by DGDDavidson.

The claim that O’Brien thinks Dungeons and Dragons is a “Cult” is totally out of context. It seems to be a tongue and cheek joke directed at those people who blame role playing games for causing problems like “suicide”, but seem to miss the point that these problems don’t come from too much “make believe”.

The book is not about “Dragons” or the proper use of “Dragons” as a symbol. That’s something else that has been taken out of context. O’Brien feels the devil (the real evil dragon) should always be portrayed as the devil. That is the context he has set throughout his book. Other than that, he is only using the dragon image as a literary device… a vehicle to keep the information in the book moving along from chapter to chapter.

I have not encountered anything about Harry Potter in this book. The fact that A Landscape With Dragons is being used to discredit O’Brien’s other books is rather dubious, and now I’m interested in reading more of his books to learn what he has to say.

The book is actually about how modern psychology is influencing morality, philosophy, and religion (especially Christianity). This new thinking is then being reflected in literature and movies and often being overlooked because many people accept these new ideas as not being in conflict with Catholicism.

So far, the book appears fair and balanced and doesn’t attack any book. It rightly highlights the pros and cons of each book mentioned.

I will let everyone know when I’ve finished.
Just finished the book last night and I can confirm what I mentioned in the quote above. I don’t recommend using DGDDavidson’s analysis to bolster an argument. I do not think he actually read the book. For example, the claim that O’Brien excuses George MacDonald is actually about C.S. Lewis’s personal feelings toward MacDonald and once again taken completely out of context. Anyone who had read the text would have known this. I’m honestly shocked at what DGDDavidson wrote now.

I would invite the moderators to review the DGDDavidson citations (being used on the various Harry Potter topics at CAF) for themselves along with a copy of A Landscape With Dragons and decide whether to censor it from future discussion.

Here are the two sections where the DGDDavidson citation was used in this particular topic:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8714676&postcount=214
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8716002&postcount=221

I can provide citations from the book after Christmas (if the moderators and forum rules will allow it). Otherwise, I could share the information over private message in a more leisurely pace. I just don’t want to overwhelm this topic with pages of citations that would disrupt the current topic.
 
It’s sad to see so many people go to great lengths to attempt to discredit these claims. It may also be worth to note Pope Benedict has said the same things about Harry Potter before. An exorcist that has performed thousands of exorcisms, the pope, and many other warnings, yet we still don’t heed them? If Jesus himself came down and said the same thing would you discredit him? This is pathetic, frankly. Have some faith in our leaders!
 
It’s sad to see so many people go to great lengths to attempt to discredit these claims.** It may also be worth to note Pope Benedict has said the same things about Harry Potter before.** An exorcist that has performed thousands of exorcisms, the pope, and many other warnings, yet we still don’t heed them? If Jesus himself came down and said the same thing would you discredit him? This is pathetic, frankly. Have some faith in our leaders!
No, he did NOT!:rolleyes:

They are knowledgeable in matters of faith, but not necessarily in current books or literature.😉

The Pope has said NOTHING regarding HP. He has led how many World Youth conferences and NOTHING has been said about HP. That in itself says an awful lot!😉
 
I can provide citations from the book after Christmas (if the moderators and forum rules will allow it). Otherwise, I could share the information over private message in a more leisurely pace. I just don’t want to overwhelm this topic with pages of citations that would disrupt the current topic.
Even if you say that A Landscape With Dragons wasn’t criticized will by the famous DGDavidson quote, I have heard the man speak himself on the subject.

Honesty, I didn’t like it. I wrote two whole posts tearing apart the things he said on the famed anti-Potter episode of Women of Grace. If the things he said in that show are anywhere close to what he wrote in Landscape, then I think I have good enough reason to take O’ Brien’s literary opinions with a very large salt shaker.
 
If Jesus himself came down and said the same thing would you discredit him? This is pathetic, frankly. Have some faith in our leaders!
This is the same Jesus who too was also accused of consorting with demons because he performed miracles right?
 
Ah, the ‘Lady Gaga argument’… I see, they were just ‘Born That Way,’ alright, I guess that’s OK then… :coffeeread: :rolleyes:
Oh I see now. This is your logic.

If I was born with magic powers, then that means I am irredeemable and inherently evil. Forget free will. Forge the fact that we’re all God’s children.

Forget the fact that homosexuality cannot even be compared to being born with extraordinary powers.

Let’s just all start declaring people to be inherently evil because they were born with something.

Why do even oppose abortion again?

So, how’s the congregation where you’re at Bill Stryker?
 
Its not clear from the story, and no amount of speculation on the subject will fill the gap until the entire story is re-written… or she writes a prequel (a cosmogony account) like Tolkien did for LOTR. Where–as you neglect to consider above–the origin of all things in Middle Earth is detailed. I’d answer your questions if I read it, but it was all a bit tl;dr (too long; didn’t read).
Sorry but you’re just shooting yourself in the foot with words like this (along with your attitude). You expect ALL writers to make a thick, volume account on the cosmology of their world? As much as I like that undertaking, that is a HUGE undertaking and I plan on milking a lot more than what I get from investing in its publication. The fact that you’re too lazy to even appreciate such effort means you’re the waste of every fantasy author’s time and you have no place to criticize them.
 
We should be counter cultural when raising our children these days andwe need to be diligent in monitoring what we expose them to, and what we expose ourselves to. Garbage in, garbage out! Fill your free time with books about Saints, make the Saints and Jesus your children’s superheroes. They have so much more to give than Harry Potter. And they’re real.
First off, I’d like to echo Fone Bone’s statement about the heart. I wouldn’t trust it so much if I were you. I’ve seen the disasters that follow people who took the ‘follow your heart’ phrase a little too literally.

Secondly, may I just say how much I beg to differ with regards to the entertainment value of religious material.

I’ve read books about the saints written for children. Trust me when I say even Twilight at least tries to be entertaining.

Oh and uh, I don’t think it’s possible to make out most of the saints as superheroes or even put them on par with fantasy characters. With regards to the exceptional few, it can only be done after a major revision that throws out all historical and traditional accuracy out the window.

St. Joan is often my favorite example for this. The historical one doesn’t seem that appealing. Lots of people even contest that she was more of an armchair general than a real military combatant.

On the other hand, let’s give her the fantasy makeover shall we? Let’s see. First off, we make her into a warrior. She learns to fight well with a sword, masters the bow, and even learns some holy magic as it were (healing, protection, enhancement). We might need to modify the design of her armor as well. Her skills at organizing her troops would remain unchanged of course but we shouldn’t hesitate to make her a more effective tactician.

Another one I would like to try is St. Francis. Hmm… guy apparently likes animals so let’s make him a sort of druid. He lives in the forest sometimes. He gets animals to do stuff for him. He still remains a pretty harmless guy though. In fact, instead of fighting, I can imagine him only going as far as to summon vines to bind his attackers, yeah. Probably should throw in some intermediate healing abilities too. Hmm… maybe I should also let him make trees walk… :hmmm:

Oh and St. George. My, my, have I got something planned for him. laughs evilly I may be ripping off George and the Dragon but heck, I’m one of the few who actually liked that movie. :cool:

A brief summary: Georgie goes Don Quixote after being duped by a deranged hermit into purchasing a ‘holy sword, armor, and shield’ and going on a ‘divine mission’ to slay all dragons. Eventually he stumbles on a village and learns a dragon is terrorizing it. He then rides off… even though the mayor already said they hired a guild of adventurers to dispatch him. Coincidentally, two of these adventurers (a samurai and a mage) happen to be dragons themselves in human form with the actual evil dragon being someone they wish to settle a personal score with. Georgie encounters the party, mistakes the two for the evil dragon(s) only to end up nearly getting torched/shocked/frozen/crushed to death. After recovering, the dwarven artificer of the party balks at the sight of his junky equipment, wondering if Georgie was sane or just stupid. Long story short, he ends playing the laughable underdog in a typical RPG party who gets trained into a somewhat competent knight who finally slays the evil dragon (whilst learning that not all dragons are evil).
 
Sorry but you’re just shooting yourself in the foot with words like this (along with your attitude). You expect ALL writers to make a thick, volume account on the cosmology of their world? As much as I like that undertaking, that is a HUGE undertaking and I plan on milking a lot more than what I get from investing in its publication. The fact that you’re too lazy to even appreciate such effort means you’re the waste of every fantasy author’s time

… and I have the ‘attitude.’ 😉

and you have no place to criticize them.
Actually, I don’t, and neither would it be necessary. A clear description of any length would be sufficient. The origin of magic in Harry Potter is the deus ex machina of the entire series, that nobody wants to address not even Rowlings.

You’re way too committed to this whole magic thing, if you take personal offense over it.
 
Oh I see now. This is your logic.

If I was born with magic powers, then that means I am irredeemable and inherently evil. Forget free will. Forge the fact that we’re all God’s children.

Forget the fact that homosexuality cannot even be compared to being born with extraordinary powers.

Let’s just all start declaring people to be inherently evil because they were born with something.

Why do even oppose abortion again?

So, how’s the congregation where you’re at Bill Stryker?
Luckily, you don’t have magic powers.

Anywho, where I was going concerning with the Harry Potter series was to argue that simply because people can use it, doesn’t mean they should. We are all born physical and sexual beings–that doesn’t give us free license to use these powers in any way we see fit.

Nobody can speak for the origins of magic in the series–its only almost exactly identical with the ‘magic’ of Western European folk tradition, which comes from the devil alone.
 
Nobody can speak for the origins of magic in the series–its only almost exactly identical with the ‘magic’ of Western European folk tradition, which comes from the devil alone.
I don’t understand, what do you want to know of the origins of HP magic? Rowling is pretty clear that most of it is indeed based off of old fables and such, hence dragons and magic wands and all the other things. But I must say, most of the “magic” of European folk tradition comes from the imaginations of its makers. It is made up. Yes, back in the day and even now people still try to use magic. However, it is nothing like the Latin spells HP characters use. In the books, Harry and his friends are indeed “born that way.” And again, with that logic, the (awesome:thumbsup:) works of Tolkein and Lewis would be “evil” too.
 
No, he did NOT!:rolleyes:

They are knowledgeable in matters of faith, but not necessarily in current books or literature.😉

The Pope has said NOTHING regarding HP. He has led how many World Youth conferences and NOTHING has been said about HP. That in itself says an awful lot!😉
The pope has stated NUMEROUS times condemning Harry Potter. Just do a simple google search…

Part of the reason it is so dangerous is because some of the magic performed in the movie is real. Yes, just as real as Satan himself.

pacinst.com/witch.htm
 
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