Harry Potter

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It’s hard to explain my position. I loved what I read, but I just couldn’t read it all. It was like a massive meal I could only eat a bit of. I really should go back and try again, it’s been close to a decade since the last time I tried to read it >_>
 
Its frustrating that none of the detractors have even tried to address any of the points I or ProdglArchitect have made…they just keep on repeating the exact same argument without referencing the actual context of the texts.
 
OK people, simmer down.

I want to know what the OP means by the phrase “themes in a church”?
Used how?
Vacation Bible School?
Referenced in a homily?
Given as homework in a Catholic school?
book report for Homeschool Co-op?
Read on a mission trip?
What exactly?

The Catholic church says nothing about HP /
Catholics however, tend to love the stories. Because, you know, they’re STORIES.
 
twf said:
Its frustrating that none of the detractors have even tried to address any of the points I or ProdglArchitect have made…they just keep on repeating the exact same argument without referencing the actual context of the texts.
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I think they think they’re addressing them, they’re just missing the actual points we’re making. You’re right though, they seem to be ignoring context, as well as the greater universe in which these stories take place.
 
On a more simplistic note, I fail to see how Harry Potter is any worse than any of the fairy tales most of grew up with and weren’t harmed in the least. Let’s see–Snow
White and the Seven Dwarfs, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the Beast, Little Red Riding Hood, The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, The Wizard of OZ, The Snow Queen to name a few. All involved witchcraft, magic, sorcery, divination of some kind, yet we view these as harmless fantasies. Should we condemn Hans Christian Andersen or Walt Disney also for promoting the occult?

This is much ado about nothing.
 
pianistclare said:
OK people, simmer down.

I want to know what the OP means by the phrase “themes in a church”?
Used how?
Vacation Bible School?
Referenced in a homily?
Given as homework in a Catholic school?
book report for Homeschool Co-op?
Read on a mission trip?
What exactly?

The Catholic church says nothing about HP /
Catholics however, tend to love the stories. Because, you know, they’re STORIES.
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The OP seems to have posted and run.

Perhaps she’s 🍿 and :rotfl: over all the fuss everyone’s making.
 
It is amazing how the good witches and magic wands in The Wizard of Oz are okay, and the occult themes of Shakespeare’s Macbeth, Hamlet, and The Tempest are okay, but a contemporary Church of Scotland author is Pure Demonic Soulsucking Eeeeeeeevil.

And no, don’t go by what Michael O’Brien says. He blithely ignores everything that doesn’t fit his theories, especially Eastern Orthodox bishops carrying dragon-shaped staffs of office and the many desert monk saints with Friendly Dragon Pets, because his theory says that dragons always represent evil in Christianity. He makes some decent points, but ignoring exceptions to your own rule is folly.
 
R_H_Benson said:
The Lord of the Rings is permeated by a profoundly Catholic ethos. Harry Potter is not.

Regardless, it has no place in a church because it is not profitable for the salvation of souls. It is questionable at best.

Why expose them to something potentially dangerous when there is so much other wholesome literature out there? I would not put LOTR in the same category as Harry Potter. LOTR is a Catholic allegory written by one of the greatest Catholic authors of the 20th century. Harry Potter is just fluffed up overrated modern American fiction.
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Calling Harry Potter a fluffed up overrated modern American fiction mean you have not even read the books. Harry Potter was written by a UK woman and is set in the UK.
 
R_H_Benson said:
HP has been strongly condemned numerous times by exorcists, including Father Gabriel Amorth.
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Father Gabriel Amorth is not the Magisterium. He does not have the authority to say what is sin or not sin. Reading Harry Potter is not sin.
 
I love, love, love the Silmarillion.

I even love it even more than The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
 
Gertabelle said:
Or we can stop arguing over this – again, and again, and again – and accept the fact that nothing anything you or anyone else here says is going to change anyone else’s mind.

Seriously, think about this for a moment…

Is there ANYTHING the person with the opposing view could say that would change your own well-reasoned and insightful perspective on Harry Potter?

I’m sorry to sound skeptical here, but the OP has had membership for 8 years and this is only her second post. Sounds a bit troll-like if you ask me. And some are taking the bait.

She throws out a “Harry Potter and the Catholic Church” thread and then sits back and laughs as the Catholics all start fighting with each other. :slapfight:

Don’t take the bait.

Let her rejoin the conversation and then discuss with her. Otherwise, let the thread die.

This topic has been argued to death here on CAF over the years, and I’d be willing to bet not one person’s opinion has been changed – neither among those who post or those who are just reading. You’re not “doing a service” by spreading “the truth” as you see it here.

Just my two cents.

And now I need to get back to the housework of the day – creating a tile countertop! :eek:

God bless each and every one of you abundantly!
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I’m thinking of starting a thread about the dangers of holding hands during the our father while reading a Harry Potter book and being dressed immodestly. I figure it would hit a thousand posts in about five minutes
 
estesbob said:
I’m thinking of starting a thread about the dangers of holding hands during the our father while reading a Harry Potter book and being dressed immodestly. I figure it would hit a thousand posts in about five minutes
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You should also that the above scenario only takes place at a Novus Ordo mass.
 
Back in the day, Harry Potter would have been slapped onto the Index faster than you could say “expecto patronum”!
 
R_H_Benson said:
The fervor of Harry Potter Apologists is commendable, but to argue that exposing your child to the “friendly” world of “Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry”’ doesn’t serve trivialize the occult is naïve.
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Do your children go to public schools?

Do you allow ABC/NBC/CBS/TBS/CartoonNetwork/any Disney channel in your home?

Just curious if you’re applying your philosophy consistently or selectively - it’s an indicator of credibility.
 
R_H_Benson said:
Back in the day, Harry Potter would have been slapped onto the Index faster than you could say “expecto patronum”!
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You Have to be careful about tossing about occult terms from the books. . I read them out loud when reading in bed one night and accidentally turned my wife into a Ferret
 
estesbob said:
I’m thinking of starting a thread about the dangers of holding hands during the our father while reading a Harry Potter book and being dressed immodestly. I figure it would hit a thousand posts in about five minutes
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:rotfl:

Oh, I am SO there! 🍿
 
Don’t mess with Harry Potter. According to Fr.Chad Ripperger who is pretty spot on and an exorcist, the Harry Potter books use the names of real Demons. We do not want to provoke the real names of Demons unless we know what we are doing, and most do not. Also not all, but some of the spells said in the series are real spells. What Catholic in their right mind would want to read or say demon names and real spells. There are better books to read and movies to watch.

Here is Fr.Ripperger’s part one of two talk on demons, it is very good and early on he talks about Harry Potter.
youtube.com/watch?v=A5ZuP2itfy4

His talk on gaurdian angels is really good too.
 
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