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Tom317
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Evil books, evil movies…product of satan.
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Verita
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Hmmm… No one being cooked here. In fact, in HP I find lots of things that reflect my faith. The emphasis on good choices and actions, the power of self sacrifice, the promise that no matter how dark things look good will always triumph…
Well, Tom, I would have had an intelligent discussion with you, but you clearly are not interested in that. But if you want people to take your judgement of HP seriously you really should read the books and be willing to give valid reasons that they are so wrong.
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Tom317
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Again you make assumptions.Hmmm… No one being cooked here. In fact, in HP I find lots of things that reflect my faith. The emphasis on good choices and actions, the power of self sacrifice, the promise that no matter how dark things look good will always triumph…
Well, Tom, I would have had an intelligent discussion with you, but you clearly are not interested in that. But if you want people to take your judgement of HP seriously you really should read the books and be willing to give valid reasons that they are so wrong.
As for not being cooked, the frog in the cool water never knew until it was too late.
BTW, since you admit that did not write the Bible, and since the Bible has been handed down to us by “other” people, and since God did not dictate the Bible directly to you, I am guessing that you reject the Bible out of hand–correct?
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Verita
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At the moment, she just uses a kitchen spoon. But I did order her a wand for Christmas.
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Verita
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I’m not making assumptions here. I’m saying that if you want intelligent people (like me) to take your opinions seriously you should be willing to give logical reasons for your rejection. Also it is a good idea to make sure you’ve read a book you reject. I’m just giving you advice.
I really don’t follow your analogy. Of course I don’t reject the Bible. I have the authority of the Church to guide me. But what that has to do with reading a book before you label it as evil is beyond me.
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Saint Tom!
After the thrashing you gave the Nativity Story, I could understand your opinions of Harry Potter.
Tell us, what DO you recommend for books and movies? Also, how do you kids interact with those who have read HP or seen the movies?
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Tom317
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You are assuming I have not read the books, then you take a stance that if I have not read the books I have no valid view. This is similar to when “The Da Vinci Code” came out and people tried to bash others by telling them their views are not valid unless they have read the book or seen the movie. Those are simply wrong perspectives and I will not play that game with you.I’m not making assumptions here. I’m saying that if you want intelligent people (like me) to take your opinions seriously you should be willing to give logical reasons for your rejection. Also it is a good idea to make sure you’ve read a book you reject. I’m just giving you advice.
I really don’t follow your analogy. Of course I don’t reject the Bible. I have the authority of the Church to guide me. But what that has to do with reading a book before you label it as evil is beyond me.
As for my Bible example, it applies well to my statements above. You do not reject the Bible, instead you rely on authorities you can trust–the Church. But, how can that be since you do not have first hand knowledge of what God intended in each passage written? How could you possibly trust that mere humans have it right and where do you learn about that authority of which you so proudly speak?
I am not a young man, I go into NOTHING regarding faith without enormous amounts of study and prayer…and I have most definitely created a sound personal opinion regarding HP and find them to be a creation of satan intended to further the lukewarmness of the Christians faithful. I honestly believe the number one enemy of the Church is lukewarmness, which imo is a tactic that tends to numb people into thinking evil things are good and good things are evil…they slowly cook in the water satan provides without even knowing it. I was slow cooked myself for many years…thank God I leaped out before it was too late.
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Nice blast,the saint stuff…totally unChristian, totally uncalled for and should be retracted.Saint Tom!
After the thrashing you gave the Nativity Story, I could understand your opinions of Harry Potter.
Tell us, what DO you recommend for books and movies? Also, how do you kids interact with those who have read HP or seen the movies?
I did not give “Nativity” a thrashing, I said many times that it is likely a well made and entertaining movie, it is just not for me or my family because it does not give Mary the full respect she deserves.
I will not discuss my kids lives at any length (I trust you will understand), yet I will say they take no issue with not being involved with the satanic culture of HP (though they do not know it as a satanic culture).
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Tom317
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HP discussions seem to get quite heated, which imo has now become a somewhat funny reality because HP has won the day, its author is one of the richest women in the world and in history and the franchise has simply swept the globe.
People who love the HP stories defend them almost violently at times and I personally sense that direct insults are going to start being tossed. Therefore, since I know I cannot and will not change any minds here, I am going to bow out now before the arrows start flying.
God Bless to all and thank you for the chat. May God blessed you deeply with His Grace and Love now and forever.
People who love the HP stories defend them almost violently at times and I personally sense that direct insults are going to start being tossed. Therefore, since I know I cannot and will not change any minds here, I am going to bow out now before the arrows start flying.
God Bless to all and thank you for the chat. May God blessed you deeply with His Grace and Love now and forever.
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I don’t know whether or not you’ve read the books. I think it likely you haven’t since you refuse to say you have. And I am not saying you have no valid view, I am saying I wouldn’t trust the opinion of someone claiming a book is from satan if they haven’t even read it. How do you know it’s a creation of satan? If you’ve read it then fine. But if you haven’t you don’t have any right to judge someone else’s creative effort based on your exaggerated views of good and evil.You are assuming I have not read the books, then you take a stance that if I have not read the books I have no valid view. This is similar to when “The Da Vinci Code” came out and people tried to bash others by telling them their views are not valid unless they have read the book or seen the movie. Those are simply wrong perspectives and I will not play that game with you.
As for my Bible example, it applies well to my statements above. You do not reject the Bible, instead you rely on authorities you can trust–the Church. But, how can that be since you do not have first hand knowledge of what God intended in each passage written? How could you possibly trust that mere humans have it right and where do you learn about that authority of which you so proudly speak?
I am not a young man, I go into NOTHING regarding faith without enormous amounts of study and prayer…and I have most definitely created a sound personal opinion regarding HP and find them to be a creation of satan intended to further the lukewarmness of the Christians faithful. I honestly believe the number one enemy of the Church is lukewarmness, which imo is a tactic that tends to numb people into thinking evil things are good and good things are evil…they slowly cook in the water satan provides without even knowing it. I was slow cooked myself for many years…thank God I leaped out before it was too late.
You’re really stretching with your Bible analogy. The fact is, you’re comparing apples and oranges. And I just don’t have time to address it, though I could.
Things aren’t just evil. Alcohol isn’t just evil. Peole aren’t just evil. Books aren’t just evil. It’s what we do with things and with ourselves that can make us evil. That’s the message of HP that you’re clearly missing out on. It’s also supported by the Church.
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Like I said, all I wanted was an intelligent discussion.HP discussions seem to get quite heated, which imo has now become a somewhat funny reality because HP has won the day, its author is one of the richest women in the world and in history and the franchise has simply swept the globe.
People who love the HP stories defend them almost violently at times and I personally sense that direct insults are going to start being tossed. Therefore, since I know I cannot and will not change any minds here, I am going to bow out now before the arrows start flying.
God Bless to all and thank you for the chat. May God blessed you deeply with His Grace and Love now and forever.
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Tom317
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So did I.Like I said, all I wanted was an intelligent discussion.
Take care.
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estesbob
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Does it have a unicorn of phoenix feather in it? i perfer phoenix.At the moment, she just uses a kitchen spoon. But I did order her a wand for Christmas.
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Uncalled for? This coming from someone who accused me of being a lukewarm Christian for reading Harry Potter.
Satanic culture??? Give me a break Tom. I do not believe you have ever read a word of any of the books. And your refusal to answer Verita’s question about that shows. Also, you have not provided a single example of what in the books is morally offensive and “satanic”. You just made a blanket statement that those who read the books are “lukewarm Christians”. How you compare HP to the DaVinci Code is beyond me…there is absolutely nothing similar at all in the two stories. Nothing.
Guess what message is in the 4th book, which I am reading right now? An anti-slavery message…oh, the horror! Satan is certainly working through these books!
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I guess I can understand someone not wanting to read these things for whatever reason, but I also think there’s something else going on here. Whenever someone has some special knowledge that others don’t have, or can’t see, well, you don’t have much of a level playing field for debate.
I learned in the last year or so something very surprising I hadn’t known about my church. That the Vatican has an enormous archive/library and besides having many great and holy things, guess what? It has many very scary and nasty things. In a word, unholy things.
I was pretty shocked to hear this, but the person telling me is a pretty devout and well-informed Catholic and he explained the simple rationale was - “you gotta know what your enemy is doing.” I’ll leave most of it to your imaginations, but if there are Satanic books, voodoo books, other horrible things, they will be in the archives for the reference of the good guys. (none of whom are lukewarm).
So why bring this up? I think it fits into this thread and the Nativity thread as well. There are people in the church who are supposed to be on top of these things and inform the people when something is off kilter. So when a Catholic consistently ignores the recommendations of the USCCB or the Vatican, and claims to know better, and then puts down those are actually listening and believing the church leaders, well that sends up some red flags, doesn’t it?
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It could have the potential, but the problem is as I have seen and read here many times, especially re: Harry Potter, is that those who choose to follow the Vatican’s OPINION on something (which we do NOT have to follow) set themselves as better Christians as opposed to those who choose to make their own judgement calls on OPINION. Some people need rulebook and guidline for almost everything they do in life, and thats cool - but they shouldnt then come across as more wise than those who dont need a guideline for every book, tv show or movie or song they see or listen to. Its a shame in politics and even in pop culture the majoriy (of which I am proudly not) need to align themselves in a “this or that” faction instead of a middle CENTRIST ground where IMO more sanity abounds.
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USCCB rates the films as being for adults and adolescents
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Tom317
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Paul VI explained, “This matter of the Devil and of the influence he can exert on individuals as well as on communities, entire societies or events, is a very important chapter of Catholic doctrine which should be studied again, although it is given little attention today.”
…When I asked exorcists if witchcraft is a gateway to more serious demonic activity, they were incredulous. Gateway? It’s directly dealing with the demonic! Nearly everyone they treat has been exposed in some way to Ouija boards, spells, hexes, “white magic,” or tarot cards—the stuff your local chain bookstore fills its shelves with because it sells so well.
Go here to read the rest: holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/guests/tomhoopes/darkbackward.asp
…When I asked exorcists if witchcraft is a gateway to more serious demonic activity, they were incredulous. Gateway? It’s directly dealing with the demonic! Nearly everyone they treat has been exposed in some way to Ouija boards, spells, hexes, “white magic,” or tarot cards—the stuff your local chain bookstore fills its shelves with because it sells so well.
Go here to read the rest: holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/guests/tomhoopes/darkbackward.asp
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It has essence of scale from a dragon’s tale. It’s 13 3/4 inches long, made of Indian rosewood, and is apparently good for love charms and healing. Hmmm… I don’t think her father will be happy about the love charms. He’s determined she should be a nun.
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