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Eilish_Maura
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Does anyone at the Vatican whose opinion carries any real weight or meaning agree with Fr. Corapi?
And did Fr. Corapi specifically use the term ‘services’ for the OF??
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And did Fr. Corapi specifically use the term ‘services’ for the OF??
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Cristiano
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This thread is amazing. I just love both the OF and EF. However, when I go to the TLM I just attend the Mass and I make sure to steer away from the people that try to get me involved with some “conservative” liturgical movement because I am truly concerned of having to deal with people similar to a lot of posters on this thread.
I apologize for not being charitable and I should resolve to be more open minded because that it is what we are called to be. However, I still cannot understand the hatred and/or loaded comments that I read from self labeled “Traditionalist Catholics”. In all honesty I believe that a lot of people bring their own personal issues and antics in this form and disguise them with a “religious” rationalization. I just hope that I am wrong.
I apologize for not being charitable and I should resolve to be more open minded because that it is what we are called to be. However, I still cannot understand the hatred and/or loaded comments that I read from self labeled “Traditionalist Catholics”. In all honesty I believe that a lot of people bring their own personal issues and antics in this form and disguise them with a “religious” rationalization. I just hope that I am wrong.
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latinmasslover
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As is the OF, and often by the priests.
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latinmasslover
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Probably. I mean, there are those in the Vatican who carry “real weight” that show support for the SSPX.
You find Fr. Corapi offensive?
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HOPEFUL_IN_UK
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I have similar feelings.
What’s sad is that there are plenty of perfectly reasonable, loyal, obedient Catholics who have a preference or liking for the EF, but nobody hears their voices. They only hear the loud, strident voices.
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HOPEFUL_IN_UK
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That’s what I find objectionable about the “Traditionalist” agenda. I can tolerate just about anything but actual heresy or truly offensive and extreme liturgical abuse. Holding hands and altar girls don’t thrill me, but I can tolerate it. I can also tolerate a lot of annoyances at Mass like crying babies, chronic snifflers, or no central heating. I’m not going to leave the Church over any of those things. And, I’m not going to defy my local bishop over any of it, either.
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HOPEFUL_IN_UK
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I like Fr. Corapi and listen to him whenever I get the opportunity. I’ve heard him talk about several crucial issues in the Church today on numerous occassions. he talks about them often, and repeatedly, as he is clearly concerned about them. Invalid consecrations are not one of the topics I’ve heard him mention. I think it may come down to his word “many.” When he says “many” I think he may mean “more than a few.” I think that you take it to mean “the majority” or even a statistically high minority. I think that Fr. Corapi, if he truly believed that invalid Masses were a common situation out there in the American parishes, he’d talk about it a lot more and a lot more explicitely.
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onenow1
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Hi, all
It’s about Jesus,not about us, isn’t that were Martin Luther went wrong with the rest of the reformers ?
Rome has spoken it is finished.I think Jesus is weeping for those who ignore authority of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.:twocents:
Peace, OneNow1
It’s about Jesus,not about us, isn’t that were Martin Luther went wrong with the rest of the reformers ?
Rome has spoken it is finished.I think Jesus is weeping for those who ignore authority of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.:twocents:
Peace, OneNow1
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Eilish_Maura
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I do wonder who he thinks he is to make such a comment IF he actually did.
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kwitz
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HOPEFUL_IN_UK
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That’s a good question. I also wonder if they realize that they’re only hurting their own cause with their ruckus. Throwing tantrums and hurling invectives only makes people want you to shut up and go away. “Go away” may include “Go on down the street to the SSPX chapel.” Bishops and priests are only human. They have to deal with an insane amount of stuff. They’ve got people coming at them from all directions, 24-7, with a staggering array of needs and issues. Mr. McCrotchetypants railing on about altar girls and receiving in the hand would probably not rank high on most clergymen’s list of priorities.
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latinmasslover
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I thought this was common knowledge. Correct form, intention, and matter are all *required *for the validity of a sacrament. Do you deny this?
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kwitz
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Thank you for understanding. I know that you are ‘pro-EF’ which is a heck of a lot different than ‘anti-OF’.
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Eilish_Maura
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So he reads hearts and minds of people he does not know?I thought this was common knowledge. Correct form, intention, and matter are all *required *for the validity of a sacrament. Do you deny this?
Why would he call a mass a ‘service’?
BTW - your confusion is from your misreading my post - I did not question the need for these things but who put Corapi in the judgement seat to make such a statement (if he did).
Also in post #160 the author teases out the sacrament from the rest of the mass - so I am not sure why you bring in the issue of valid sacrament in response to my post.
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latinmasslover
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That’s why we should weep (with the Lord) over the behavior of certain prelates who’ve attempted to bring the Church down to the standards of the world; who go against the Holy Church by abusing power (though unintentionally).Hi, all
It’s about Jesus,not about us, isn’t that were Martin Luther went wrong with the rest of the reformers ?
Rome has spoken it is finished.I think Jesus is weeping for those who ignore authority of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.:twocents:
Peace, OneNow1
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HOPEFUL_IN_UK
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I don’t think it’s common knowlege. Most people who go to Mass on Sunday don’t worry about these things. However, I do think your average Catholic Answers reader is aware of these things. I am aware that there are invalid sacraments taking place. I know that some priests have diluted the wine too much for it to have proper matter. I know that baptisms have been attempted with improper form. I know that there are priests who don’t believe in the transubstantiation, and so they don’t confect valid eucharists. But, I don’t think the problem is so widespread as to necessitate scrupulosity on the part of the faithful.I thought this was common knowledge. Correct form, intention, and matter are all *required *for the validity of a sacrament. Do you deny this?
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latinmasslover
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You’re referring to him knowing if the priest has the right intention? Last I heard, we’re to assume that the priest has the right intention, unless he gives reason to believe otherwise. I’ve seen some pretty liberal priests, but I only doubt the validity from one (thank God he’s not at my parish!)
Sorry, you had it in the quote of your post so I thought you were addressing the issue of validity and “service.” I’ve heard Fr. Corapi and many others address the issue of validity, but I can’t recall if he used the word “service” in reference to the Mass…I sure hope not.
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beckers
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I was wondering the same thing. How in heavens name does anyone know the intention of any priest especially when just driving by and seeing the church? To me that shows that you have superiority complex about “your” mass being better. Once again Jesus came to establish a Church not a mass. Rome has spoken and said the NO mass is vaild. Until you are made Pope then your opinion is nothing but one opinion in the vast ocean of members of the Chruch.
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latinmasslover
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However, the opinion of the Pope is not always right. To say it is is to make him perfect, which he is not.
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