guess mom did not know best… or was there another reason.
I hope many take your suggestions seriously. Non-Catholics who visit here might well visit many of the forums. And in each they will see many opposing views. Some charitable (truthful), and some not.
Well, I was going to answer your questions, but the part in bold above made it clear you want to paraphrase my words to make them mean what you want others to think I meant.The biggest problem with your post is that you’re driving a wedge between “the Catholicism of Pius V” and “the Catholicism of Vatican 2”. There is no distinction that can be made here unless you are willing to reject the Church outright and join the sedevacantists.
Oh, well… At least you’re not raving against the Pope and the OF. That’s more than I can say for others here.
To me one of the most blatant generalizations made by the traditionalist movement is their tendency to label everyone who disagrees with them a “liberal” and a “modernist”. Modernism is a heresy with a very specific definition: it holds that dogma can change or evolve over time and it asserts many false things about Sacred Scripture, but it is more than a mere tendency to be modern or to conform to a modern style. It seems that many traditionalists throw around as labels words that actually have definitions that are lost on said traditionalists.
** And of course, anyone who disagrees with the “traditionalists” and dares defend the Pope, the Council, and the Mass must be a troll with multiple usernames, since they cannot possibly have a rational argument with which to challenge the irrefutable, rock-solid arguments of the “traditionalists”. Right?**
Come on, your one liners don’t do your opinions justice. Your opinions are as valid as mine, but you never make us understand why you hold your opinions. Talk to us.
LOL - thanks for that!
Shows that great minds do think alike.
Fair enough.
What you meant seemed pretty clear to me. You expressed the suspicion that the rest of us were “modernists” and “trolls”. Which is ridiculous.
Frankly, your opinion on how to label groups of Catholics means nothing. You might as well do as Chris Ferrara and divide everyone here into two camps: the righteous and courageous traditionalists, saviors of the Church and the world; versus the villainous and heretical neo-Catholics, who are conspiring together with liberals, modernists, and Freemasons to prevent the traditionalists from having their precious Latin Mass!
Are they indeed? And out of curiosity, who are they? Are they the Catholics who have risen to the occasion to defend the Second Vatican Council, the Ordinary Form of the Roman Missal, and the Holy Father himself? Who are the liberals, and why?
:bigyikes:The Church’s definition of liberal, vs the average traditionalist definition ? You are right. They differ. For the time being
Where did I say everyone here who does not call his/herself a traditionalist is a troll or liberal ?
:yup: :clapping: :tiphat:Frankly, your opinion on how to label groups of Catholics means nothing. You might as well do as Chris Ferrara and divide everyone here into two camps: the righteous and courageous traditionalists, saviors of the Church and the world; versus the villainous and heretical neo-Catholics, who are conspiring together with liberals, modernists, and Freemasons to prevent the traditionalists from having their precious Latin Mass!
But enough humor. It would help if you could actually define the three terms you suggested instead of just applying them arbitrarily. Then we could see if they are applicable to the current situation and we could see who falls into what category. Don’t you agree that’s a better strategy than plain labelling?
Are they indeed? And out of curiosity, who are they? Are they the Catholics who have risen to the occasion to defend the Second Vatican Council, the Ordinary Form of the Roman Missal, and the Holy Father himself? Who are the liberals, and why?
:bigyikes:
Wow. Assuming you identify yourself with “the average traditionalist”, your separateness from the Church is manifested in every word.
Tell me, whose definition should we follow?
I hope you are not trying to say “You can have your opinion after I tell you what it will be”
I went through this same thing on a “message board” sponsored by the newspaper in a town I once lived in. A constant deluge of messages, bashing the mayor and city council, bashing the schools, you name it.It sounds to me like the attitudes of some Traditionalists on this board are actually proving to be counter productive to the cause they espouse. I urge everyone here to prayerfully consider what they are posting. It seems as if this board is fueling rivalry within the Church!
We are the Body of Christ, we are supposed to be a light on a hill! Let’s not forget that. This board is read by many curious people!
:clapping:It sounds to me like the attitudes of some Traditionalists on this board are actually proving to be counter productive to the cause they espouse. I urge everyone here to prayerfully consider what they are posting. It seems as if this board is fueling rivalry within the Church!
We are the Body of Christ, we are supposed to be a light on a hill! Let’s not forget that. This board is read by many curious people!
