Has anyone dealt with addictions in the marriage?

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Gosh, Berta… I’m feeling a little frustrated for you because the focus has been on your drinking, while your husband’s addictions to porn and masterbation haven’t even been touched on.

Your husband’s obsession with porn must feel very much like betrayal to you. Perhaps you are angry with your husband for betraying you to porn? Perhaps your frustration has pushed you into a depression that a doctor can help with?
I’m all for you getting counseling and seeing a priest, but I hope you will make those same suggestions to your husband. Not only does he need help for his addition, but your marriage needs help, too.
Lovingly,
Terry
thank you for noticing this Terry. Yes, perhaps i am little depressed lately, which is why the drink now and again. We have seen counselor and Priest for this issue with husband and work on it. It has lasted for years and years, and i do think my husband wants to change now, thank God.

i know as we attend a very big church, i need a small faith community, and that this is important, not merely books and family only. i am looking for something currently.

thank you again for your kind heart.
God bless
 
thank you for noticing this Terry. Yes, perhaps i am little depressed lately, which is why the drink now and again. We have seen counselor and Priest for this issue with husband and work on it. It has lasted for years and years, and i do think my husband wants to change now, thank God.

i know as we attend a very big church, i need a small faith community, and that this is important, not merely books and family only. i am looking for something currently.

thank you again for your kind heart.
God bless
Be sure to keep us up on how you are doing, ok? We will be praying for you. Our Blessed Mother is a wonderful source of comfort, and keep leaning on those servants of God around you who can give you a hug.

We wish we could, I know that.

(You asked if anyone has dealt with addictions, and you got that! 😉 )
 
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i know i must work on issues of happiness and fulfillment. it is very hard with so many in the house. how i crave relaxation. When I am relaxed, i do not turn to scotch, only when i’m completely frazzled. Many of you might know the feeling if you also have large households.
I do have a large household-- a bit larger than yours! I rarely feel frazzled, and find lots of time to do things I enjoy. Are your children and husband helping out around the house? Are you running yourself ragged taking them to a dozen activities every week? Are the standards for housekeeping/ dinner/ etc. so impossibly high for a family of 9 that anyone would feel frazzled trying to reach them?

As to addictions, I think my family is paying the price now for my husband having grown up in an alcoholic family. I have bought two of the al-anon daily readings books and am trying to get to meetings each week. I have NO idea why, but I feel much better after meetings, and I find I am an entirely different person when I go weekly.

Good luck.
 
I do have a large household-- a bit larger than yours! I rarely feel frazzled, and find lots of time to do things I enjoy.
Good luck.
Dear ktp: This is so good for you, that you feel this way. Please tell me how you do it? For I feel “frazzled” daily. Why, just now, taking a break, I have 6 washes to do, and much grocery shopping. i rarely have the time for me. i know as a good wife, we give up all, but it is indeed most hard. Do you not feel the same ktp? i have 7 children, all teenagers now. i am a gonner i think.
 
Many might say as already some do, that i come first. i do not believe this. i believe my family comes first. I will do anything to make sure they are happy, and that i am doing God’s will, by being a wife and mother. It seems in this country, the “I” coming first seems to take priority. Many say drop anything, divorce your husband, for the sake of you being happy. They say “I did it”, and “you can too”. That YOU need to come first. i do not see this. i see life and what it is important as a sacrifice to Lord Jesus. i see the virtue of long-suffering, as a much needed one.
I struggle with this, too. In one way, I agree, and I hate the danger of the me-first mentality. But I do think there’s also something to be said for ‘refueling.’ We can’t run on nothing. I think Dennis Preger also has some wisdom in his belief that joy is a duty-- what good are we to our families if we serve them hand and foot and give them every good thing in life, but we’re miserable? They only end up resenting us for being a dark cloud over them.
i know i need to attend to myself however, and this i will do. it is very hard having so many to attend to.
If your children are all teenagers, there should be far less for you to be attending to. Are they carrying their load in the home? My children are 17 down to 15 months. The oldest ones do their own laundry and ride their bikes to do errands for me when weather permits (it also gets them some exercise, away from tv and computer games, and gives them a break from their siblings). They also take care of the younger children the days I work. They are all expected to do a certain number of chores every day. Being kids, that doesn’t always happen unless I make it, but they do know something is expected of them. They learned long ago that they’re much more likely to get privileges if they offer to help around the house, so they virtually always do. (Actually, they started that on their own!!) They also help me take care of the younger kids. On Sunday mornings, for instance, they each get themselves ready, and then start helping me find Sunday clothes and shoes, put together the diaper bag, load the youngest kids in the car, etc. They’re capable of serving dinner and cleaning up the kitchen. This list goes on and on. At the ages of your children, you really shouldn’t have to feel you’re attending to that many.
Please tell me how you do it? For I feel “frazzled” daily. Why, just now, taking a break, I have 6 washes to do, and much grocery shopping. i rarely have the time for me. i know as a good wife, we give up all, but it is indeed most hard. Do you not feel the same ktp?
No, I don’t. I’m not entirely sure I can tell you what I do, since I don’t know what you’re doing differently. But, for instance, I am now taking a break, too. Yes, I do have about 5,000 clothes on the table downstairs waiting to be folded. It doesn’t bother me, because I’ve learned that the housework will never be done, no matter how fast I run on that treadmill, and I’ve learned to be fine with that. The kids are all dressed in clean clothes, and if they want them folded and in their drawers faster, then they pitch in and help.

I have found it very helpful (in fact, essential) to look at what I HAVE accomplished instead of what I haven’t: True, I haven’t gotten the laundry folded, but I HAVE gotten myself dressed and looking nice, run errands, gotten cleaning supplies, gotten the baby his new jacket, bought music for my students, partially emptied the dishwasher this morning, gotten a little more done on the book I’m writing, done some grocery shopping, changed a few diapers, dressed little boys, prayed, read a bit more of a book on spiritual growth, planned dinner, wiped numerous noses, dealt with my 6th grader not doing her math homework and made arrangements for her to stay for homework help and have a ride home, supervised little boys, gotten them lunch, and cuddled a baby. And before the day is done, I will have made dinner and taught four hours worth of music lessons well into the evening to help our income.

I do not feel the least bit guilty for taking a break, and I do not worry in the least about the things that aren’t done. I’ll get to them.

I wonder if you are struggling to get a job done that can’t ever really be completely done, and feeling guilty? That would leave me frazzled, too.

I do have time for myself, because I take it. I do a few jobs each morning, and then I work on my book or visit friends on the internet, and then I go to work. My house is not perfect, but it is respectable, I’ve put in some work each day, and I find I’m much happier with my kids this way, than always pushing myself to accomplish the impossible.

I hope this is some help to you.
 
Indeed, you are correct, and I apologize. I thought BertaSwede had replied to you, but it was to LSK. So I should have said, “Of course she is defensive, LSK was uncharitable to her and called her a lousy parent.”

Again, I am sorry for the mistake, Karin.
No I wasn’t - you need to re-read what I said to her. I said I believed her that she could take it or leave it, that I believed her when she says she is not an alcoholic. That is not being uncharitable.

She said SHE was drinking out of boredom…that is being a lousy parent. Sorry if that offends you but it is true. IF however, she is drinking too much because she has a boatload of problems and needs help with them then she is not being a lousy parent, is she?

Sometimes it would help if people read the complete post before they decided someone’s RESPONSE was the problem.
 
Surely, you are a much better parent than me. Please tell me how do you do it? How old are your children and how many years have you been married?

thank you.

may God bless your household.
We are not talking about me. We are talking about my drinking and why I drank.
I did not drink because I was bored or because of my husband and baby dying. I did not drink because of being a single woman raising a child. I did not drink because I am Catholic, went to daily Mass, or because I am a blond.

I drank because I am an alcoholic and that’s what we do - we drink.

Today I am sober by the Grace of God, 12 Steps, 12 Traditions, a homegroup and a sponsor. I need all that because I am an alcoholic.

IF however, you are drinking only because you are bored or frazzled, and you can stop it at any time but you are not doing so …then guess what, you are NOT putting your family first.

SO, I am telling you that I absolutely believe you…you are not an alcoholic. You are drinking only because you are bored, have a lot of wash to do, have seven teenagers, and any other reason you can come up with…and I also believe you completely that you can stop any time you want.

So, Stop.
 
A couple other thoughts: one is that I try to remember to offer up all my chores for people in need, for the souls in Purgatory, etc.

The other is that, I see as I skim back through your posts, that you are dealing with an awful lot of issues, drinking and porn and frustration with keeping up with the house. Such a situation can become overwhelming.

About two years ago, I was in a similar place, extremely frustrated and hopeless with many things going on in my marriage (some of them, are still issues, as you can see from my posts here). I made a list at the time of why I was so upset, and, taking the advice of the serenity prayer, made a list of things I could change in my own life. I started a list on 43things.com of things that would make me happy, and I started acting on that list, rather than spending my time being upset. I’m not going to lie and say it’s been easy. I still struggle a great deal with anger and resentment. But it’s most certainly been a huge improvement. I’ve started getting back to things I like, such as going to a writer’s group each week. I’m also planning on getting back to pro-life speaking, which was very important to me at one time. I started putting my foot down about some of the stuff going on, and there has been a lot of ugly upheaval, but there have also been positive changes.

All of these things have not helped me cope with the Alice in Wonderland in-law situation, so once it was pointed out to me that it sounded like adult children of alcoholics, I started going to al-anon, and it helps.

I’m also working on the concept of gratitude lists: being grateful for things. Today, it is that we finally got the screws in the wall to hold the baby gates in place, so I can keep my little explorer a bit safer. It is that I have a warm house and plenty of money to get my little boy a new (to us, from the thrift store 😛 ) jacket, and that I have time to do things I enjoy.

Once again, I hope you can find in here something that gives you some ideas about new directions, or what you can do to feel better with your life.
 
Dear Bertaswede,

First of all, I want to thank you for having many children and being open to life. Yes, parenting is very difficult and I can not say that I understand on how to care for 7 children and husband and yourself. God Bless you for it, for it is indeed hard work. I only have one child and she keeps me busy, but I do get times to myself when she is at school. I think I read that you do go to daily Mass, which is great, for the Jesus in the Eucharist will give you the grace you need to live this family life you have. I would suggest as many have said, and you said you are doing and that is to call upon Our Heavenly Mother who is the perfect mother to ask for help and grace. She is always there for you. I would suggest, if possible, while the kids are in school if you can maybe sit, maybe after Mass, for about 30 minutes and just pray and tell the Lord Jesus how you are feeling. Cry, rejoice and petition and thank him. He loves you and knows what you are going through more than we could ever understand.

The people here on this forum mean well and just want to help you. I will say that you do sound like you are depressed. If you do not want to turn to a counselor, than please sit and kneel before the Blessed Sacrament. I have many sufferings and this is the only thing that has helped. I did have to be put on antidepressants for a little time just until I could think clearly again. There is nothing wrong with asking for help.

Turning to a drink when you have a problem, or are uneasy is not good. My husband does this and he had an abusive childhood. He started out with a drink every once in a while and now has rum and coke nightly and he doesn’t work. As his uncle said once about him, he is not an alcoholic but has the “stuff” to become one. He was and still does turn to alcohol to “numb” him and make him feel better. I worry about this for he gets addicted to things very easily. He is addicted to sodas, TV, movies and buying things. He was addicted to porno and masturbation also.

I can understand how you feel that your husband does porno. Thank God that my husband is over that and has used weekly confession to help him as well as my prayers and his prayers. He also turned to www.dads.org for help. You may want to check it out for they have an article for us wives there also and they understand the betrayal we go through.

I will say that once you get yourself better, you will not become frazzled. You need help and prayers. You have many of us already praying for you and your family. There is nothing wrong with getting professional help. Also, if your kids are teenagers, they are able to help out a lot around the house. They can help put laundry away and clean the house. Do they help? I know when I was a teenager, on the weekends, we had to help our mother. We were five children. My mom was busy also and we helped out at first because we had to, but than we saw how she needed help to be able to have more time to spend with us just having fun with dad.

I will pray for you. Turn to the Lord instead of a Scotch for help and comfort and you will see a huge difference in your life. You have a lot of good advice here and it is time to decide what you want to do for yourself and your family. I do admire you and all women with large families. May God bless you in your vocation as the mother of many.
 
No I wasn’t - you need to re-read what I said to her. I said I believed her that she could take it or leave it, that I believed her when she says she is not an alcoholic. That is not being uncharitable.

She said SHE was drinking out of boredom…that is being a lousy parent. Sorry if that offends you but it is true. IF however, she is drinking too much because she has a boatload of problems and needs help with them then she is not being a lousy parent, is she?

Sometimes it would help if people read the complete post before they decided someone’s RESPONSE was the problem.
The good thing is that nobody needs to assess whether she is to blame or not for her to be helped. She does not need to find her classification on the pantheon of parenthood, judging whether she is better or worse than anyone else. No one is going to shame her out of her problems.

She only needs to know that it could be better, that she could have more peace and joy in her life, that she doesn’t need to need scotch, and that her current sufferings may not all be a necessary part of her service to God and family.

She eventually needs to know in what way alcohol is a problem for her, whether it is a problem in and of itself or not. If it is a primary part of her problem (that is, she has untreated alcoholism that she controls just well enough to keep from facing up to the toll it takes) rather than a symptomatic problem (that is, she uses alcohol inappropriately in an attempt to self-medicate her real problems), then she must deal with the alcoholism directly.

Even if her alcohol use is a symptomatic problem, though, she would do best to abandon alcohol as a means of self-medication. Regardless of what her primary problem is, alcohol is the wrong medicine to fix it.

I have used alcohol “out of boredom.” I used it as a food, though. I never used enough to get a buzz on, even. But turning to alcohol as a food to self-medicate, while it isn’t alcoholism, is still a big mistake. Instead of adding drunkenness to your problems, you add excess weight to your problems. Not good…and if one has an addictive personality, a good way to eventually find yourself with an actual physical addiction to alcohol. That is nothing to mess with.
 
Absolutely, BLB. No one is shaming her. I am agreeing with her. She has nothing to be ashamed of if what she is telling all of us is true. Anyone who tells me that they are afraid that they might be addicted to a substance but that they do not need help with the addiction because they can take it or leave it has answered their own question - there is nothing to fear, there is nothing to worry about, they are not addicted. They can just take it or leave it.

However, it has been my experience that if is looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck.

So - the question becomes this: If you can take scotch or leave it alone, but drinking it is causing you some concern, then a normal responsible action would be to leave it alone.

IF however, you WANT to leave it alone and you find you need help because you CANNOT leave it alone then there are a myriad of ways you can help yourself leave it alone.

Prayer, penance, taking a trip, not taking a trip, switching from scotch to jump rope, reading inspirational books, keeping it in the house, not keeping it in the house…there are many MANY ways to leave ‘it’ alone.

People often mistake agreement with being cruel or uncharitable. That’s crazy. I think she is telling us the truth, that she can take it or leave it and that means it is not her problem.
 
Dear Bertaswede,

I will pray for you. Turn to the Lord instead of a Scotch for help and comfort and you will see a huge difference in your life. You have a lot of good advice here and it is time to decide what you want to do for yourself and your family. I do admire you and all women with large families. May God bless you in your vocation as the mother of many.
Why thanks alot nana3, for your kind words. things seem to be better lately, as i have turned to our Mother much more, and wear my Miraculous Medal all the time, and am in contemplate of all i need to do. it is just plain hard being a woman with a family today, this is the way of things, even if i do have a very fine husband in most regards. it is also not easy in this life, if one is a true follower of Jesus, as we are told so many conflicting information today, about thinking of us first, etc.

As i did say, i am looking for a small faith community to be a part of, for support, beside our large but vibrant church we attend. perhaps a Bible study, or woman’s group. Your prayers are appreciated for me in this way. thank you. i do know i need and have not done much for myself in a long time, with all the children in my home. i have concentrated on being a very good mom, being home for them when they return from the schooling, working only in the home, and making very good meals, doing wash, and loving my dear man. We do have a very good marriage and travel alot, thank God. His line of business enables us to do just this. To visit family and relatives abroad, which we do in a few weeks again.

i so want to become a much better Catholic and follow what God desires of me, and i try to teach my children this more than anything i could do. Let’s pray for our families here, this i would like more than any advice for me, or how to conquor problems, and see to us. i feel, it is tough today to really follow Jesus, and few really do it. i want to though, as i love my Jesus so much, and so want to follow what He says for me, and for marriage all in all. And i am excited to see God’s plan through the years for our family, which i have seen up to now over and over again, and it is a good one. This plan is be making more clear as time goes on. i am so glad we have no divorce here, for all we’ve been through. it is amazing. i owe it only to Jesus and following him.

God’s Blessings to all households who respond to my post. Jesus Be with you all. All i say is that Jesus loves you, as he does me to. it is so wonderful to know he has a plan for us all.
 
There was another woman who used to post here, both your style of speaking and expressed opinions are so similar - perhaps you should check the member list and attempt to contact her. You all seem to have much in common and could perhaps “bear one another’s burdens”. She posted as “Sparkle” and might be able to offer you a kindred spirit!
 
There was another woman who used to post here, both your style of speaking and expressed opinions are so similar - perhaps you should check the member list and attempt to contact her. You all seem to have much in common and could perhaps “bear one another’s burdens”. She posted as “Sparkle” and might be able to offer you a kindred spirit!
I have a feeling your right…geez some of the things that Sparkle says verbatem are repeated by the OP.
 
In response to the OP, you asked in your orginal post about addictions in Marriage. All addictions can be a problem, mine was cigarettes.
But I was so addiccted I did not quit until Feb 7 of this year-----8 months and 5 days smoke-free! also support groups work. I could walk around claiming to be a social smoker or light smoker but I was an addictted smoker, just as you sound like you have bad alcohol problems.
my point is you and only you NEED to drop the bottle now, if you use it and lose control you have a serious drinking problem. If not for yourself or your spouse Do it for your kids.
You sound like you are making up reasons to keep drinking and there ain’t none, throw out that bottle NOW.
 
Kim, good for you to quit the smoking.

thank you those of you who offered me your kind responses. i think this is all i need now, and i am leaving this subject. i can tell many on here have too strong feeling with their own problems to give any more advice to me, and perhaps it interferes, as i see it. But i do thank you all.
 
Kim, good for you to quit the smoking.

thank you those of you who offered me your kind responses. i think this is all i need now, and i am leaving this subject. i can tell many on here have too strong feeling with their own problems to give any more advice to me, and perhaps it interferes, as i see it. But i do thank you all.
Yes, I quit smoking and I wasn’t looking for a pat on the back, I was trying to help you but you don’t seem to want it. As you asked and I answered and gee, I though I could help you. Wrong guess.
My smoking interfered with my marriage, husband quit way long before me. I have also help many others overcome nicotine accidiction even got my neighbor to quit so don’t tell me I got to many of my own problems to help others. You don’t know me.
PS-anyone having problems with overcoming Nicotine–glad to help.
 
Yes, I quit smoking and I wasn’t looking for a pat on the back, I was trying to help you but you don’t seem to want it. As you asked and I answered and gee, I though I could help you. Wrong guess.
My smoking interfered with my marriage, husband quit way long before me. I have also help many others overcome nicotine accidiction even got my neighbor to quit so don’t tell me I got to many of my own problems to help others. You don’t know me.
PS-anyone having problems with overcoming Nicotine–glad to help.
Ok Kim…Ill take you up on your offer…
HELP!!!
 
hey Karen,
I got to get the kids off to high school but will start a new post on this when I get back.
Glad to help
 
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