Has anyone had this experience with Mormons?

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amgid:
I never have high expectations of apostates. They are a miserable lot. Some day they will betray the Catholic Church, just as they have betrayed the LDs Church; and they will be “despised by those who have flattered them” (D&C 121:20).

amgid
One could make the same argument for blind followers. They are an unquestioning miserable lot. Someday they will find the truth that is in the real presence of our Lord in the Holy Eucharist, in this life or the next. I pray that they will find the true presence in our holy Eucharist in this lifetime. “You worship god in your way and I in his”—Cardinal Manning

Lord hear our prayer.

God Bless,
ex-mo
 
amgid,
is this the same attitude LDS have towards converts? are you just waiting for the day that they betray your church like they did their previous one? do you flatter them now? will you despise them in the future?

I look to the example that the Apostle Paul set. He found the truth when God called him. He left his old religion behind and followed the Lord.

God calls all to his One, Holy, Catholic and Apsotolic church. Who will hear his voice? who will go to him?
 
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amgid:
Not true. Have not regrets. That was a correct reply. Don’t attribute your habits to me!

amgid
This is what you wrote:
“I never have high expectations of apostates. They are a miserable lot. Some day they will betray the Catholic Church, just as they have betrayed the LDs Church; and they will be “despised by those who have flattered them””

Do you really stand by this statement? Is this your belief???
 
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amgid:
I never have high expectations of apostates. They are a miserable lot. Some day they will betray the Catholic Church, just as they have betrayed the LDs Church; and they will be “despised by those who have flattered them” (D&C 121:20).

amgid
It is well worth remembering that the vast majority of converts to Mormonism are ‘apostates’ from some other religious faith, usually a Christian denomination. Your flat assertion is inaccurate and unflattering to your own churches practice of accepting converts from other non-LDS faiths.

The vast majority of LDS ‘apostates’ are simply seekers who accept a new faith-tradition because they have become unable to remain comfortable in Mormonism. Relatively few ‘betray’ their new-found faith, whatever that faith might be. Obviously some, especially in this era, remain lifelong seekers, never really staying committed to anything. But I think that even in this age this is rather the exception than the rule.

To the contrary, IMHO many study Mormonism with some degree of diligence before shucking it for a new set of beliefs and many endure some measure of hardship in making the transition. All of this leads them to study whatever new-found belief system they accept with even greater care and dedication. And–having once accepted a new creed–they are likely to live their faith in a peculiarly devout and consistent manner.
 
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amgid:
I never have high expectations of apostates. They are a miserable lot. Some day they will betray the Catholic Church, just as they have betrayed the LDs Church; and they will be “despised by those who have flattered them” (D&C 121:20).

amgid
i think amgid was trying to say something and it came out wrong. i think we would all agree that the worst attacks on any church have come from within. the same can be said on ex members of any church. they once considered there former church holy and special. they then find some point that they have difficulty with and they then reject the whole church. its at this time that the apostate then tries to belittle there former faith. and attack there former friends. i know our church would have had a lot easier time in the 1830-50 without apostates. i am sure the same can be said of your church too. 😛
those of our church that have converted to yours and those of yours that have converted to ours have i hope converted because they believe in the teachings of there new church. they should be happy that they have found what they needed and not mock or belittle other peoples beliefs. i am sure your church teaches you to respect other peoples faith as ours does. 🙂
so be happy in what you belive as i am in what i belive. of course that does not mean i would not like to convert you all to the lds faith. as i assume you would to like to convert us to yours. 👍
 
paul barlow said:
/snip. the same can be said on ex members of any church. they once considered there former church holy and special. they then find some point that they have difficulty with and they then reject the whole church.

This is sweeping generalization (and oversimplification) that simply doesn’t reflect the wide range of the truth. Many ex-LDS were brought up in the LDS church and simply believed what their parents told them to. Some converts weren’t taught very much about LDS doctrine (some would even claim that it was deliberatley misrepresented). In the end it is quite common for ex-LDS to have come to the realization that the LDS church as a whole is not of God. This is substantially different than “having difficulty with some point of doctrine” [paraphrased]
paul barlow:
its at this time that the apostate then tries to belittle there former faith. and attack there former friends.
Once again this is inaccurate stereotyping. When people feel that they have been deceived it is instinctual to want to warn others. Many ex-LDS simply move on, many (out of sincere concern) try to help others to see the light. I don’t know of any who have “attacked” former friends. The LDS church does tned to identify excommunicated “apostates” to their members so that hose individuals can be “shunned”.

paul barlow said:
/snip they should be happy that they have found what they needed and not mock or belittle other peoples beliefs. i am sure your church teaches you to respect other peoples faith as ours does. 🙂

No mocking or belittling just preaching the truth. I would point you to this Straight from Catholic Answers:

*We don’t bash your church, why bash ours?"Somehow, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have been persuaded by their leaders that they have always been on the receiving end of uncharitable comments and unjust accusations. From the time Joseph Smith began his work in 1820, the Mormon church has gloried in the “fact” that it is a persecuted people. For them, this is a sure sign that it is the Lord’s true church; all opposition comes ultimately from Satan. So, if you do offer a question or a criticism, be prepared for this reaction.

Many Mormons, including their hierarchy, look upon any criticism—regardless of how honest and sincere—as perverseness inspired by the Evil One. But these same individuals ignore their own past (and present) attacks on Christian churches. You might like to point out a few of these to those Mormons who say their church “never attacks other churches.”
  1. “I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian churches), for they were all wrong…their creeds were an abomination in [God’s] sight; that those professors were all corrupt” (Joseph Smith—History 1:19).
  2. “Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian” (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).
  3. “Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast” (Journal of Discourses, John Taylor [3rd Mormon President], 13:225).
  4. “The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon” (Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, Orson Pratt, n. 6, 84).
  5. “All the priests who adhere to the sectarian [Christian] religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels” (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith, ed. Vol. 1, n. 4, 60).
  6. [Under the heading, “Church of the Devil,” Apostle Bruce R. McConkie lists:] “The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129).
  7. “Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Morm. 8; Moro. 8)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, Bruce R. McConkie, 177).
    Some contemporary Mormons, embarrassed—at least publicly—by McConkie’s ranting, will respond with, “That’s only his opinion.” This is disingenuous at best. Keep in mind that McConkie, who died in 1985, was raised to the level of “apostle” in the Mormon church after he had written all these things. And still today, his Mormon Doctrine is published by a church-owned publishing company and remains one of the church’s bestsellers.
Glory be to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as it was in the begining, is now and ever shall be, world without end.
 
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majick275:
as stated in my previous posting go and injoy your new faith and stop worring about your old one. we believe we are right you don’t lets wait and see who is right after we die. i will be there to give you an helping hand. just joking or am i. 👍

live your life the best you can and forget the past. my church life has brought me close to my christ and saviour. i hope yours is bring you close as well.

you know full well that to argue points is not going to convert me or the other lds posters here. you had a bad time in our church. but equally we have many who have had one in yours.

go in peace and remember who we all claim to serve
 
So please help me understand Paul why you are here on the Caholic Answers forum? You certainly won’t find me posting on any LDS forums. Do you feel God calling you here? something to think about… The Lord bless you and keep you.
 
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majick275:
So please help me understand Paul why you are here on the Caholic Answers forum? You certainly won’t find me posting on any LDS forums. Do you feel God calling you here? something to think about… The Lord bless you and keep you.
i would welcome you on any of our forums thou i have not found many intresting ones.
i arrived here by accident but i found some of the things being claimed very confused so i thought i had better stay and help out. hope this does not annoy you but i happen to like the catholic church for its stand on the family and trust me if i ever was to leave the true chuch yours would be the first i would head for. i always fancied being a monk but im not sure what my wife and six kids would say. I like talking about belief i don’t like the way you all think we must be confused. no missionary visited me no member of the church taught me. the lord pointed me to the church that i should attend. i walked into my local chapel and asked to be baptised. So i am afraid no matter how many times i have an arguement with my bishop i will never leave or lose the knowledge of who and what i am.
and may the lord keep you safe too.
 
paul barlow:
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majick275:
as stated in my previous posting go and injoy your new faith and stop worring about your old one. we believe we are right you don’t lets wait and see who is right after we die. i will be there to give you an helping hand. just joking or am i. 👍

live your life the best you can and forget the past. my church life has brought me close to my christ and saviour. i hope yours is bring you close as well.

you know full well that to argue points is not going to convert me or the other lds posters here. you had a bad time in our church. but equally we have many who have had one in yours.

go in peace and remember who we all claim to serve
Paul,

This is a forum for discussion and debate about non-catholic religions with a sub forum for LDS. As a former Mormon and a Catholic convert this is a great place to discuss our religious differences and debate what our religions claim to be the truth. My father is a LDS Bishop and all of my siblings and extended family are very strong Mormons. I do not debate with them what I perceive to be failings of their Church, I simply live my life as a Catholic gentleman, lead by example, and pray that they will someday be in true communion with our Lord. This forum however is voluntarily participated in and is great way to express and debate what you want say with the possibility of offending the thin skinned. We should be civil in our discussions but not muted in our concerns and criticisms of other faiths. A good healthy debate will make us all stronger soldiers of Christ and help us to study and analyze our beliefs from different perspectives. Let Christ be in your heart, humility in your mind, civility in your tongue, and the truth in your fingers.

God Bless,

ex-mo
 
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ex-mormon:
paul barlow:
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ex-mormon:
Could you clarify or expound upon your statement? I don’t understand what you are inferring.

ex-mo
sorry i was not very clear yes lets debate our beliefs but as you said treat the lds members here as you would your family. and when debating lets remeber who we claim to serve and keep it in that spirit. i hope this helps
paul
 
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Tmaque:
This is what you wrote:
“I never have high expectations of apostates. They are a miserable lot. Some day they will betray the Catholic Church, just as they have betrayed the LDs Church; and they will be “despised by those who have flattered them””

Do you really stand by this statement? Is this your belief???
Yes, I do.

amgid
 
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flameburns623:
It is well worth remembering that the vast majority of converts to Mormonism are ‘apostates’ from some other religious faith, usually a Christian denomination. Your flat assertion is inaccurate and unflattering to your own churches practice of accepting converts from other non-LDS faiths.
I am a convert to the LDS Church from another faith. But I would not describe myself as an “apostate” from that faith. On the contrary, I have great respect, love, and admiration for my former faith, its teachings, its traditions, and its founders; and I consider myself greatly blessed, privileged, and my life enormously enriched for having once belonged to that faith. For me, moving from my former faith to the LDS faith was moving from something good, to something even better; not moving from something evil to something good. If you talk to other LDS converts, I think you will find that most of them have the same sentiments about their former faiths. I would never dream of berating, belittling, slandering, or waging a war against my former faith. If I ever joined a discussion board about my former faith, it would be more likely to defend it than to attack it. But when someone “leaves” the LDS Church, but then he cannot “leave it alone,” and must constantly wage a war against it; then you know that that person is motivated by a different kind of spirit.
The vast majority of LDS ‘apostates’ are simply seekers who accept a new faith-tradition because they have become unable to remain comfortable in Mormonism. Relatively few ‘betray’ their new-found faith, whatever that faith might be. Obviously some, especially in this era, remain lifelong seekers, never really staying committed to anything. But I think that even in this age this is rather the exception than the rule…
My experience is different.

amgid
 
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amgid:
Yes, I do.

amgid
Thanks for showing us that you really are here to berate and belittle, have nothing but contempt for us, and wish nothing more than to show what a miserable lot we are. That’s good info, at least we know.
 
This is confusing. Are you claiming then that your previous religion is not Apostate?

I certainly have left the LDS church alone. I do not go to their forums nor do I seek out members or engage in any activity directed at them. I do post here on Catholic answers in obedience to Paul and Peters teachings in the Bible about false prophets and false teachers. Where LDS choose to come here to either attack catholicism as apostate or to glorify Mormonism as the “true church” I am compelled to respond with the truth.

I do not see my journey from Moromonism to Catholicism as moving from good to better. I see it much like the early Christians as moving from paganism to Christianity. I have left a cult that a man started for his own selfish purposes and come to the body of Christ started by God for our salvation.
 
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majick275:
This is confusing. Are you claiming then that your previous religion is not Apostate?
The whole of present day Christianity is apostate, because it has lost the divine authority to commune with God, and be guided by revelation from Him. But there are enough good people and good principles left in it to be worthy of our respect.
Where LDS choose to come here to either attack catholicism as apostate or to glorify Mormonism as the “true church” I am compelled to respond with the truth.
LDS are here to present the truth about Mormonism, and to counter your falsehoods and misrepresentations of it. They are not here to attack Catholicism.
I do not see my journey from Moromonism to Catholicism as moving from good to better. I see it much like the early Christians as moving from paganism to Christianity.
Present day Christianity is an apostate institution which has lost the divine authority to commune with God, and be guided by revelation form Him. That is why the restoration of the gospel through the Prophet Joseph Smith was necessary.
I have left a cult that a man started for his own selfish purposes and come to the body of Christ started by God for our salvation.
You have left the one and only true and living Church of God on the face of the whole earth, and joined an apostate institution.

amgid
 
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amgid:
The whole of present day Christianity is apostate, because it has lost the divine authority to commune with God, and be guided by revelation from Him. But there are enough good people and good principles left in it to be worthy of our respect.

LDS are here to present the truth about Mormonism, and to counter your falsehoods and misrepresentations of it. They are not here to attack Catholicism.

Present day Christianity is an apostate institution which has lost the divine authority to commune with God, and be guided by revelation form Him. That is why the restoration of the gospel through the Prophet Joseph Smith was necessary.

You have left the one and only true and living Church of God on the face of the whole earth, and joined an apostate institution.

amgid
This isn’t an attack on Catholicism?

What falsehood have I ever stated on this forum? I’m pretty sure I showed verifiable evidence for all of my assertions.

Obviously we have a diference of opinion on just what the “Truth about Mormonism” is. Where you feel I have misrepresented, I claim that I have spoken truth. Where you feel that LDS here have presented the truth about mormonism I think that in many of those cases they are the ones who have misrepresented the facts about the LDS church. Furthermore I would assert that this is not the place for LDS to present the truth about mormonism. Please realize that there is an established start point at Catholic Answers. If you look on the home page under non-catholic groups you will see the stated position of Catholic Answers on may elements of mormonism. That is the already accepted truth about mormonism for this forum.

Once again… if you are trying to be a missionary then there are far more fertile fields than this. If you just like to “bash” then surely the evangelical boards would be a lot more “fun”. So could it be that you are called here? Will you heed the one true God and follow him into his church?

I pray that the Lord blesses you with miraculous joy and success throughout all the days of your life so that you will know He is God and worship him " …the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end…" 2 nephi 31:21
 
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