Has Benedict XVI disposed of the CCC?

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SacredHeartFan said:
Jesus didn’t die on a perfectly carved out cross. His cross was probably bent.
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Plus, His cross would have more probably been a Tau Cross (T) instead of a Latin one (+) (If you add the placard above Jesus’ head, then a Tau cross would look much more like the Latin one though).
 
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The new/old one is clearly bent. What’s up with that? There also seem to be a bit of a dime-store look to it. I like the former crucifix a great deal more…

I sure wish I could find a “full sized” copy of the crucifix used by Pope John Paul II that did not cost a small fortune…
 
Just to throw in my 2 cents…
I was really moved by Pope John Paul II’s crucifix. So much so that we bought one for each of us when we went to the Vatican. To me, it depicts the heavy weight Christ bore for us on the cross.
 
I couldn’t do the other one, but it curves downward. Anyway, sorry.
 
SacredHeartFan said:
Jesus didn’t die on a perfectly carved out cross. His cross was probably bent.
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Glad to know that you were present and know that it wasn’t perfectly carved and probably bent:thumbsup:

I’m always glad when some time traveler or really ancient person steps up to the plate and sets us all straight on the details such as the Crucifixition and the Last Supper.
 
brotherhrolf said:
Perhaps you weren’t around when this cross was introduced. I was. I would hardly call it traditional. But that’s OK. “I’m OK; you’re OK, lets just focus on the Eucharist”.
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Wow, quite a statement. I believe St. Paul had something to say about little faith matters that didn’t really add up to much of anything. Let’s see…it wasn’t about crucifixes, it was about eating meat offered to idols.
 
brotherhrolf said:
Folks, it wasn’t JPII’s cross. It was the cross of Paul VI’s in the “spirit of Vatican II”. I am glad to see a return to something far more traditional.
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Why Brother, you mean to say that John Paul II wasn’t the first **true **Pope??? The Pope who handwrote, probably in longhand the Catechism of the Catholic Church?? The Pope who singlehandedly saved the Church from the utter horrors of traditional thought? The first real Pope. The first charismatic Pope and the first Pope to attain sainthood prior to his death??? Oh contraire mon frere. I’m sure there are those on this forum who definitely definitely argue with you on that one. And who was this Paul VI anyway? I don’t recall him at all. Nope, he must be a figment of someones imagination.

How soon the progressives forget what really happened in John Paul II’s pontificte and life.:confused:

Not to mention the 1900 years before it.
 
palmas85 said:
Why Brother, you mean to say that John Paul II wasn’t the first **true **Pope??? The Pope who handwrote, probably in longhand the Catechism of the Catholic Church?? The Pope who singlehandedly saved the Church from the utter horrors of traditional thought? The first real Pope. The first charismatic Pope and the first Pope to attain sainthood prior to his death??? Oh contraire mon frere. I’m sure there are those on this forum who definitely definitely argue with you on that one. And who was this Paul VI anyway? I don’t recall him at all. Nope, he must be a figment of someones imagination.

How soon the progressives forget what really happened in John Paul II’s pontificte and life.:confused:

Not to mention the 1900 years before it.
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I even remember John Paul I. I still don’t get what on earth you’re talking about…unless you’re kind of bitter that a media-savvy Pope whose pontificate lasted 26 years, the first non-Italian to sit on the Chair of Peter since forever, who both suffered under Communism himself and helped to see that the Berlin Wall fell, who kissed the soil of more countries than all the Popes combined before him, all in living color, got to be significantly better-known than his predecessors.

Does it really surprise anybody that John Paul II captured so many imaginations?

PS I hardly think he was the first Pope regarded as a saint prior to death. I think people in ages past felt no need to wait for a committee to tell them who their saints were (for good and for ill).
 
"One says, ‘I am of John Paul II,’ another says ‘I am of Pius IX’. But did John Paul II die for you? Did Pius IX take away your sins?’

Okay, so that’s not quite how the passage goes. But why are we attempting to divide the Body of Christ? Are we supposed to think that the Popes in heaven don’t get along, or have factions of lesser saints? Does St. Padre Pio war with St. Benedict, or does St. Josemaria Escreva argue with St. Francis? People make mistakes, popes make mistakes, saints have made mistakes. But this does not mean we have any excuse to break up into factions. Can we assume that St. Pius X is happy with the schismatic faction that takes his name?
 
consumedconvert said:
"One says, ‘I am of John Paul II,’ another says ‘I am of Pius IX’. But did John Paul II die for you? Did Pius IX take away your sins?’

Okay, so that’s not quite how the passage goes. But why are we attempting to divide the Body of Christ? Are we supposed to think that the Popes in heaven don’t get along, or have factions of lesser saints? Does St. Padre Pio war with St. Benedict, or does St. Josemaria Escreva argue with St. Francis? People make mistakes, popes make mistakes, saints have made mistakes. But this does not mean we have any excuse to break up into factions. Can we assume that St. Pius X is happy with the schismatic faction that takes his name?
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THANK YOU!!!

And you were close enough with that passage that anyone who’s read it will ‘get it’. :rolleyes:
 
EasterJoy said:
I even remember John Paul I. I still don’t get what on earth you’re talking about…unless you’re kind of bitter that a media-savvy Pope whose pontificate lasted 26 years, the first non-Italian to sit on the Chair of Peter since forever, who both suffered under Communism himself and helped to see that the Berlin Wall fell, who kissed the soil of more countries than all the Popes combined before him, all in living color, got to be significantly better-known than his predecessors.

Does it really surprise anybody that John Paul II captured so many imaginations?

PS I hardly think he was the first Pope regarded as a saint prior to death. I think people in ages past felt no need to wait for a committee to tell them who their saints were (for good and for ill).
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It kind of reminds me of envy, the way people have taken to disparaging this holy man, and yet I can’t imagine why people would feel that way unless it was precisely because he was holy and obviously so to so many.
 
EasterJoy said:
I even remember John Paul I. I still don’t get what on earth you’re talking about…unless you’re kind of bitter that a media-savvy Pope whose pontificate lasted 26 years, the first non-Italian to sit on the Chair of Peter since forever, who both suffered under Communism himself and helped to see that the Berlin Wall fell, who kissed the soil of more countries than all the Popes combined before him, all in living color, got to be significantly better-known than his predecessors.

Does it really surprise anybody that John Paul II captured so many imaginations?

PS I hardly think he was the first Pope regarded as a saint prior to death. I think people in ages past felt no need to wait for a committee to tell them who their saints were (for good and for ill).
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No what bothers me is when people forget for what ever reason who actually did things. The crucufix mentioned is but one example. Especially in the case of John Paul II who to many of his fan club, which is pretty much what they are, could virtually raise the dead and walk on water. His faults of which there were many, forgotten, swept away into the mists of time, while his achievements, AH,👍 👍 glorious and growing even after his death. And as for the fringe groups, neo cats and charismatics, why they claim him as one of their own:thumbsup: How many posts have shown up here in which someone knows someone who heard someone say that the late Holy Father spoke in Tongues and prophesized with the best of them? No proof is ever offered of course, but hey, who needs something as nebulous as that.

Hey he was my Pope. I followed him faithfully for his entire Pontificate, but I never elevated him to divinity or sainthood as so many unashamedly have done. He was a mortal man, a good holy man, but he wasn’t divine. And as far as I know he isn’t a saint. Not yet anyway
 
Jeanette_L said:
It kind of reminds me of envy, the way people have taken to disparaging this holy man, and yet I can’t imagine why people would feel that way unless it was precisely because he was holy and obviously so to so many.
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Yes he was holy, but he was not divine. Many here can’t seem to make that distinction.
 
Scott1 said:
I rather liked JPII’s crosier… and like me, Pope Benedict saw it as something more than a “fashion statement”:

"He always spoke them with unbending firmness, first brandishing his crosier crowned with a Crucifix and then, when his physical energy was ebbing away, almost clinging to it until that last Good Friday, when he took part in the Way of the Cross in his private Chapel, gripping the Cross tightly in his arms. We cannot forget his last and silent testimony of love for Jesus."
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This is absolutely beautiful and worth bringing forward again. How in heavens name could anyone call a crucifix creepy? Wow, I am bit surprised in the traditional forum to hear such things.
chewchoo said:
i like JP2’s CCC, in fact i have a number of them in my house that i bought when i was in rome. 🙂
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Someone gave me a rosary with this cross. I like it as well. One of daughters (she is an artist) really likes it.
palmas85 said:
Yes he was holy, but he was not divine. Many here can’t seem to make that distinction.
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Ahh but I’m sure if Benedict started making the changes many want with an iron fist Palmas, you might have trouble making distinctions between holy and divine. I get the impression this is just another “deep down inside we never liked JPII” sentiment. Although, I’ll give posters credit, maybe they just really didn’t like it. But creepy? Our Lord on the cross is not creepy.
 
palmas85 said:
Glad to know that you were present and know that it wasn’t perfectly carved and probably bent:thumbsup:

I’m always glad when some time traveler or really ancient person steps up to the plate and sets us all straight on the details such as the Crucifixition and the Last Supper.
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In all seriousness, the Romans crucified people using the type of material that was available. Sometimes trees were used. Now if Jesus carried only the cross bar of his cross,which I have heard that this could be a possibility, perhaps there were trees on Golgotha and these were used for him and the two thieves. Who really knows???😉
 
I hope people dont hate me for this, but I personally thought the crooked cross was ugly, and I am pretty confident the Eastern Rites and Eastern Orthodox didn’t like the look of it either. It was too crooked and too much, for my taste. It reminded me too much of how bad artwork has become so prominent in all the wrong places. The cross that the Pope has now is a huge improvement. I personally think it should be a little bit thinner and be a crucifix rather than a empty cross, but I wont complain.
 
elt1956 said:
In all seriousness, the Romans crucified people using the type of material that was available. Sometimes trees were used. Now if Jesus carried only the cross bar of his cross,which I have heard that this could be a possibility, perhaps there were trees on Golgotha and these were used for him and the two thieves. Who really knows???😉
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You are entirely correct. Who does know?. In fact, who could even have a clue? Thats why posts like the one I was referring to tend to get under my skin.
 
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