Actually I liked John Paul II a lot because he was down to earth, amiable and truly a nice person. He was not a God however and I think, just my opinion, he would be most displeased with this cult of fawning, almost worship that has grown up around him.
yes, JP2 was not God, but, as with all saints and those who have lived lives of heroic virtue, us mere mortals who have the opportunity to follow their lives, see how they lived, how they interacted with others, how they gave up their lives for God, are inspiration for those of us who are severely lacking in heroic virtues. most well known saints have a cultus that grows up around them. it is not because the followers think that the holy one is God, but that they lead us to God. we need role models.
Glad the Holy Father got rid of the CCC cross of JP2.That is being investigated:
Why do you say the easterners didn’t like it?
No need to be present if one truly considers just how horrid of a blood-soaked place Golgotha was…
I am certain there is some archaeological evidence. A lot of people got smoked via crucifixion. The truth is I seriously doubt there was a standard – they used what they had at hand.
Why would you hold-up those anti-Catholic sites as some sort of standard? There are horrible and nasty lies on those pages! Sadly; it would seem there is a corollary between those aforementioned anti-Catholic sites and those that attack Pope JPII’s crucifix here…
It always bothered me,and even on some anti-catholic sites I visited out of curiosity,well even they thought it was creepy.
I don’t recall Pope Paul using it that much before it was handed on to JP2,but it defintely had that 1960s artwork style about it.
The Eastern Rites and Orthodox dont find such images appealing, this can clearly be seen when you look at their staffs and vestments. The staff is supposed to be made of good quality material, and look like that of royalty, as well as pleasing to the eye.
I heard this subject treated on Catholic Answers, with regards to whether the nails went through the hand, the wrist, or in through the hand and out through the wrist.
You don’t have to be rude. Here is the logic behind it:
Nor do Latin Rite Catholics find them “appealing” – at least I hope they don’t. They find them to be something that reminds them of His Sacrifice for us.
Deacon Ed - you’d think this would be obvious to any Catholic and any Christian; and yet, someone will still find something wrong with what you have simply and wonderfully stated. It makes you wonder…
It is not rude at all. You made a statement and an assertation that could only intelligibly be made by one who was present. Otherwise you don’t know. Had you said for example, it probably was done that way, that would have been a whole different story.
The term “appealing” was in reference to the quality of art, I was not saying the crucifixion was a happy and lovable sight.
I quite liked it because it always reminded me of the Cross as the new Tree of Life. Trees tend not to have square angles.
And it was certainly less creepy than some of the Spanish mission crucifixes in Texas.I submit that the Romans were pretty methodical about things. Very good at designs and building,. Their army, who more than likely conducted these affairs was also very methodical in fact almost maniacal in its precision. The way they dressed, the way they fought, the formations they used to both fight and march their entire military bearing was an awesome spectacle.
I’m not so centurions always did the crucifying – as it’s a horrid process that tends to screw the mind of the person performing it. I would think Golgotha was a horrid, smelly, barren place with horrid looking crucifixes.
Bull. That’s not what I said. I did say that something that gets covered (and recovered) by human blood, urine, feces, etc. etc. etc. would not necessarily be something well crafted. Prove your assertion of “totally contrary to any historical evidence yet found.” You’re simply speaking your personal (and unfounded) position.
Again, how would you know? Your notion you list above it no more plausible than nailing someone to a cross and then erecting the cross – actually less so now that I begin to think about it. Struggling to escape? LOL! Maybe to breathe, but certainly not to escape.
You’re not in a position to “guarantee” anything as you simply do not know. You have no clue who made the crucifixes.
More personal conjecture…