Has sola scriptura been proven?

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If so, please provide the link or proof. Otherwise, please prove sola scriptura. Using the scriptura to prove sola scriptura is too circular to accept. And proving sola scriptura with extra scriptural evidence is an epic fail.
 
It can’t be proven cuz it ain’t true.

Here, try this though:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 - Scripture is profitable for teaching, that the man of God may be complete
Acts 8:26-35 - But guidance is needed to interpret the Scriptures
1 Timothy 3:15 - The Church (not the Bible)is the pillar and foundation of truth
Acts 2:42 - Church followed apostolic teaching (no Bibles, printing press not invented yet)
2 Peter 1:20 - Scripture is not a matter of ones own interpretation
2 Peter 3:16 - The ignorant and unstabletwist Scripture to their own destruction
Proverbs 3:5 - Do not rely on your own insight

Taken from StayCatholic.com
 
What is “sola scriptura”?

Also, does this mean you do whatever the church tells you to do?
 
Sola scriptura means that the Bible is the highest authority, and that Scripture is the final word on everything.

I would use the phrase that Scripture, for that it is true in all things, is the benchmark of all things, but that it is so precisely because we made it so. It is human beings who have determined what is and is not Scripture, that there ain’t no 'Gospel of Peter" as some wish there was, and the Whole Bible DOES SO include Maccabees, even though Protestants don’t “believe it”, and that is because their judgment just ain’t the same as ours, but which is right? Which has the final word? Sola Scriptura defenders say that the Scriptures are self-authenticating, but even as they say it they are making an authoritative judgment and therefore exercising authority over Scripture, so its hypocracy, and a self-contradiction.

But while they say Scripture is the pillar, the authority, it is Scripture itself which denies its authority and says The Church is the pillar instead.

So yes, The Church has final authority. But that does not mean “some individual” is the whole of Church and that that individual, Pope or not, can tell someone to act immorally. No man can authoritatively be asked to act contrary to righteousness. That being said, the Pope, when he speaks “in Union with the bishops” has final authority subject to God, that is, under God’s Providence, God being the sole author of all things.

But let’s do a diagnostic of Scripture. Let’s break down all the logic which can be deduced from Matthew 16.

So there’s Jesus, walking along with his apostles, and he asks “who do men say that I am?”

And the other apostles say “some say elijah, john the the Baptist”, etc.

But then there’s Peter, the slow one, the one we already know ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed, the one who said when Christ died, “well…I guess I’m goin fishing.!”

And Peter says, “you are the Christ, son of the living God.”

And Jesus pauses. “Whoa!”, “even I know you couldn’t have thought that on your own. You ain’t that clever. It must be the case then that My Father In Heaven Has Revealed This To You And Not Flesh And Blood.”

Ergo…God the Father chose Peter first, and Jesus recognizes it, and affirms his Father’s will by adding:

“I tell you, Thou Art Cephas, and upon this Rock I will build My Church.”

So let’s ask: who is doing the talking?
Jesus.
Who is speaking directly to?
Peter
What does Jesus say he is going to do?
Build A church.
Who’s Church?
Jesus’ Own Church, “my Church”, His Church.
and upon whom is Jesus building His very own Church?
Just Peter.
And How Many church(es) does Jesus say he will build for himself?
Just one.
and what is the authority of this Church that Jesus built for himself?
Such authority that whatever Peter “binds and loosed on Earth shall be bound and loosed in Heaven also.”
Wow!
And what else does this Jesus of the Bible say will happen?
What will become of His Church?
Probably exactly what you should expect.
Jesus adds “The gates of the netherworld shall never prevail against his Church.”

Here’s something to pause on…

Where was Jesus, and what was he standing on when he said all this?

He was standing over a very important site to the Romans. A mountain in fact. Precisely, he was standing over a pit the Romans referred to as the ‘Gate to the Netherworld’. It’s was their Golgatha, their Hades, their Sheol, their Hell. Ironically, what the Romans didn’t know is that under this place was the head of the River Jordan. Hmm, very symbolic ya think! Jesus always seems to do what turns everything else on its head.

and just 12 chapters later, in the same book, Jesus adds:

“Teach them to obey all that I have commanded you. Lo, I am with you until the end of Time [era, epoch, age]”

Now, either Jesus was a liar, and he did abandon his Church and he did let it fail, only to bring it back from obscurity after 1,500 years…or he was a false prophet and not really a God at all because his church failed like the Protestants think,

But the only way the Prots can be right is basically, by being wrong. How messed up is that? God, that is, Jesus Christ, either is not God and did not keep his promise to never leave us and never let us fail, or He is, in which case, there is still only One Church that he ever put his stamp of approval on, in fact, it was more than his mere approval, it is the Church he himself built for himself.

Built by Jesu,s for Jesus, with His authority.

Sorry for the long post, but this is no small subject. It was a loaded question, and you opened the whole can by asking it.
 
There is a site out…

www.calledtocommunion.com and an article was written in August of 2009…stating that Sola Scriptura Protestants are like Mormons because some time ago, some where, the Church authority ceased to exist…like God creates the world and then let’s us go figure things out as individuals.

Church has individuals with all their own opinions, tastes, inclinations…but share the same belief and practices with consecrated and ordained, chosen authority…our clergy.
Catholicism believes in the Incarnation.

God became flesh to be one with us through the Word…and the Eucharist, and that in Christ we are restored to God because of the prior break in sin. Are we perfect and like Christ? No. We are in life long conversion and we do not reach perfection with God until we are in heaven.

We witness God’s grace at work through nature, we see God’s will fulfilled even in those who do evil because they purify the just, and cause them to cling to Christ more in hard times, and evil people provide the good the only divine act a human being can do…forgiveness.

We trust Jesus to chose people to administrate His Church…in spite of their own humanity and sinfulness to nevertheless, represent Him, develop and interpret Christ and His theology to every generation through the Holy Spirit.

Ecclesia means church. We are Ecclesia Deists. We are Church Deists. We believe God works through the successors to the Apostles, chosen by them in union with the Holy Spirit to provide Christ in Church for every generation inspite of difficult times, destroyed church buildings, or corrupt past popes or bishops or priests.

It is Christ Himself Who sustains the Church, not man. It is the power of Christ the world witnesses at work in His chosen and in His followers…not power of Church bossy men. That is perception from the outside

The Shepherd knows His flock and His flock knows Him.

The greatest sign of Church based on the Holy Trinity is communion with God, with neighbor, with all of creation and being in peace and tranquility a supernatural peace the world cannot give.
 
It is an opinion, a point of view, a way some people view or approach their faith, and what they value most within that faith. It cannot be proven; it is a choice.
 
Proven to divide the Body of Christ? Sadly, yes. The evil one delights in the ocean of proof.
 
That it is it…people become accustomed to fragmentation…think it is normal…only 500 years ago there was just Latin and Orthodox, 900 one church only.

Restorationists should read the link on Called to Communion. It is very revealing.

Protestants and in particular fundamentalists and restorationists cannot see Christ at work in human clay…do not trust Him and the Holy Spirit at work in their extension of communion to us…the very essence of entering into divine life with God as adopted sons and daughters in Christ.

I just finished reading Professor Wood’s book on the Church being the foundation of Christianity, and its tremendous contributions to science, to the creation of the university, to economics, to charity…

And with the Protestant Reformation in England came the destruction and pillage of all the monasteries and Catholics being forced to become nationalistic Anglicans…followed by poverty of the peasant class…It was the monasteries that supported the common people in those days…
 
Sola Scriptura is simply a rejection of the Catholic Church and her Authority. It is a rejection of Oral Tradition, handed down from the Apostles. It has proven it can flourish, but not unite.

If one disagrees with the Catholic teaching, then they must interpret the Bible to suit their views, not necessarily objectively. The fact remains that the Bible and Tradition were never meant to stand alone, to separate them is to lose something. They were meant to support each other, therefore they cannot disagree. Scripture is the written Word of God, Tradition helps us to understand the Written Word. To refer to scripture alone is to inject one’s own interpretation to the Bible.

It seems impossible to prove the idea of sola scriptura, if the Bible alone cannot be used to prove it. Self denying proposition:(
 
Agree…the bottom line is refusing authority outside one’s way of looking at things…

People can react to corrupt leaders…but the extent the Reformation did ended up hurting Christianity…and the ones seeking to be followers of the Gospel created a more fragmented and divisive society…Mexico was governed well prior to the Masonic Revolution. The Revolution destroyed the infrastructure, some universities, and poverty followed. Mexico was the center of learning in the New World, not the USA or Canada, prior to the destruction.
 
I think sola Scriptura has been proven to prevent conversions to Christianity.

Why would someone looking for truth, become a Christian when they are so divided?

Sola Scriptura Christians disagree on speaking in tongues, who should be baptized, if you have to be baptized, and what baptism does.

They disagree on church government, and what is need for salvation, and if salvation can be lost.

They disagree on the form of worship.

They do however agree that the Catholic Church, which canonized the Bible, is not an option.

Peace
David
 
I think sola Scriptura has been proven to prevent conversions to Christianity.

Why would someone looking for truth, become a Christian when they are so divided?

Sola Scriptura Christians disagree on speaking in tongues, who should be baptized, if you have to be baptized, and what baptism does.

They disagree on church government, and what is need for salvation, and if salvation can be lost.

They disagree on the form of worship.

They do however agree that the Catholic Church, which canonized the Bible, is not an option.

Peace
David
That seems to be what I have experienced! I Go to John 6 and say John was a disciple of Jesus, then I go to Ignatius of Antioch, and say he wrote about the very topic were discussing here, John 6, and he was taught by John, the guy who wrote John 6 and he said…Thats when I get cut off and told, thats outside of the bible, I only use the bible alone, Sola Scriptura! …Eh, 🤷
 
Christ at the Last Supper said He prayed that we may be one so the world would believe.

He said to the Apostles, ‘Do this…’ He did not say, ‘Write this,’

We are not a people of a book, but a people of salvation history centered on Christ and His eternal life given to us.
 
If so, please provide the link or proof. Otherwise, please prove sola scriptura. Using the scriptura to prove sola scriptura is too circular to accept. And proving sola scriptura with extra scriptural evidence is an epic fail.
Nope! Never has and never will.
 
If so, please provide the link or proof. Otherwise, please prove sola scriptura. Using the scriptura to prove sola scriptura is too circular to accept. And proving sola scriptura with extra scriptural evidence is an epic fail.
What do you mean by proven? It is the practice of using the scripture as the final norm, holding all doctrines, teachers and teachings accountable to it. That Sola scriptura exists in unquestionable.

Jon
 
What do you mean by proven? It is the practice of using the scripture as the final norm, holding all doctrines, teachers and teachings accountable to it. That Sola scriptura exists in unquestionable.

Jon
Jon,
The practice you describe has been used since the beginning, if we exclude the word final. Scholars have always held teachers accountable to the Church teaching. The Church teaching was drawn from Scripture and understood in light of Tradition. We have looked at each aspect of the Church and held them accountable to Scripture, as it is understood using Sacred Tradition.

I think that the OP was referring to “has SS been proven using the Bible?”, in which case it cannot be.

Doesn’t Sola Scrpitura translate to “Scripture Alone”? Do we have a standard definition for SS? I have seen some dispute the definition you gave on other threads.🤷
 
What do you mean by proven? It is the practice of using the scripture as the final norm, holding all doctrines, teachers and teachings accountable to it. That Sola scriptura exists in unquestionable.

Jon
Blessings Jon and Happy New Year. No offense,but here is what I question:

*It is the practice of using the scripture as the final norm, holding all doctrines, teachers and teachings accountable to it. *

At what point in time did the early church begin to use this practice as the **final norm **for: doctrines,teachers,etc prior to scripture being compiled as one volume?

When did church ratify it as the final norm?
 
=Newsy;8806048]Jon,
The practice you describe has been used since the beginning, if we exclude the word final. Scholars have always held teachers accountable to the Church teaching. The Church teaching was drawn from Scripture and understood in light of Tradition. We have looked at each aspect of the Church and held them accountable to Scripture, as it is understood using Sacred Tradition.
Actually, I won’t argue with this. I think it is a reasonable explanation.
I think that the OP was referring to “has SS been proven using the Bible?”, in which case it cannot be.
Well, I didn’t want to read into the OP. :o But on that point, it is, indeed, a post-apostolic era practice, and I would agree that SS is not explicit in scripture. This is why I would never say that Catholics are condemned for not accepting it. It is a practice (of the [Lutheran] Church for hermeunetics), not a doctrine.
Doesn’t Sola Scrpitura translate to “Scripture Alone”?
Yes. “Alone” as the final norm. Not “alone”, as in nothing else can or should be considered, and everything else is excluded.
Do we have a standard definition for SS? I have seen some dispute the definition you gave on other threads.🤷
Some Lutherans did? What I’ve posted is the Epitome of the Formula of Concord’s rule and norm, which seems a solid definition.

Jon
 
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