Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?

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FYI: This is also the attitude that leads to a lot of harm to male rape victims. It’s not like a man can’t be drugged, or overpowered by someone else, or something. But we teach men that if someone else assaults them, then they’ve failed as men and they shouldn’t expect anyone else to help.
Likewise, it’s the attitude that leads to a lot of self-destructive male behavior, such as high suicide rates.

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

I don’t know how accurate that is, but they say men are 3.5X more likely to kill themselves, and that white men commit 7/10 suicides.
 
Ladies, my husband is in excellent health, but just in case something were to happen to him, can anybody suggest a nice convent for my sunset years?

I was thinking of something in the 10-foot wall range, although higher is fine, too.
 
FYI: This is also the attitude that leads to a lot of harm to male rape victims
Unfortunately. The current state of the red pill does not help them. Modern feminism claims to care about these problems but they don’t really offer as big of a space for male problems. Something definitely needs to change. No more finger pointing. More Christian empathy.
 
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I’ve mentioned it a few times, but a lot of this “protection” often hasn’t worked out very well for a lot of women, historically. There are and always have been terrible fathers and terrible husbands. There have been poor families where the women had to take whatever they could to make money. There have been fathers with bad judgment too.

I was reading a heartbreaking historical story about a young woman who was being sexually abused by her stepfather. Unfortunately there was essentially no one to step in - he was her guardian who was supposed to protect her, but there was no fallback to protect her from him. She ended up being coerced into prostitution, and then shamed and essentially barred from decent society because she had been a prostitute.
 
Pride, to be honest. Nobody really wants to change their behaviors for the sake of the other. And when there’s consequences, suddenly he/she’s the most innocent one in the room.
Nobody? Ever?

Is that including or excluding you?
 
I don’t know how accurate that is, but they say men are 3.5X more likely to kill themselves, and that white men commit 7/10 suicides.
Then why aren’t white men next in line for protected victim-class status?

They should be demanding special concern just like gays, transsexuals, racial minorities, women, etc., with verifiable data to warrant that status.
 
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Nobody? Ever?

Is that including or excluding you?
Presumably yes, as she wrote “he/she’s.”
Love is defined as “willing the good of the other above or, at least, equal your own.”

Her statement, then, implies no one loves, ever. Everyone fails to love, always.

I wouldn’t think that is true.
 
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There are and always have been terrible fathers and terrible husbands. There have been poor families where the women had to take whatever they could to make money. There have been fathers with bad judgment too.
And would you say there are and always have been an equivalent number of terrible mothers and terrible wives? And poor families where the men equally had to take whatever they could to make money? And a roughly equal number of mothers with bad judgement, too?
 
Yes of course. That’s why I’m advocating a system where every adult has access to the ability to support themselves, and everyone has the equal protection of the law without being expected to go through another individual for protection.

I mentioned men in that context because someone was advocating a system where men were responsible for protecting women, and women were expected to rely on the men in their lives for safety.

Edit: I am extremely well aware of what some women can be like. My mother is not exactly a shining specimen of model parenthood. I could write an entire book on “how to manipulate your family.”
 
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You’re being very dramatic for the sake of an argument. Go re-read it to get some context.
 
When my brothers and I were kids, we were were taught to look for protection from our parents and the police. There was nothing gender-specific about it.
So you spend 24 hours a day with parents and police?
I’m genuinely curious about your age though. Most grown men in Western society who have actually had relationships with women don’t talk about taking away women’s rights, or making them dependent.
You’re genuinely trying to poison the well and also engaging in the shaming tactic I mentioned before and was assured no feminist would ever engage in. It’s hilarious how quickly women fall into it whenever they are challenged, it’s their primary defense.

“Oh, you are attacking my position with logical arguments? Then I will respond by attacking your manhood, first by calling you a boy, and second by accusing you of being inexperienced with women.”

Fortunately for you, the mods here would hammer me (again) for responding in kind, so I’ll stick with my have a nice day.
 
But we teach men that if someone else assaults them, then they’ve failed as men and they shouldn’t expect anyone else to help.
Because if I’m being assaulted by some thugs in the street your “Men scare me because they are big and strong” self is definitely going to jump in and throw down to defend me.

Or more likely, you’re going to (maybe) call the police. The male police. Who will arrive in time to take statememts and clean up the mess.

Don’t all the sexual assaults prove my point? Most adults have to look out for themselves because no one else is spending all their time looking out for them.
 
Honestly? I think you (and all women) overstate your case here. However, even giving you the prevalence, this is still laughably naive.

“I expect to work with lions and not have to fear being eaten!”

Predictable response: “Men aren’t animals! They can choose better!”
What we need is a revolution exclusively for men, lead exclusively by men, and sadly, requiring a decent bit of sacrifice on the part of women concerning career choices, education, voting rights, divorce rights, parental rights, etc.
If I go to a house party, get wasted drunk, and then get robbed, I am not the same as a man who is robbed in broad daylight while he’s walking down the street. The man in the second scenario is a victim. The man in the first scenario made himself a victim.
I’m noticing how the minute we object to being the ones supposed to “take responsibility” for our own safety, the conversation immediately shifts away from the examples we’ve been using of doing things like going to work, to getting passed out drunk.

Where’s the line where we’ve done enough to protect ourselves? Because it sure comes across that line is “stay in the harem.” You can’t act like working at a job that involves being alone with men, or even wanting to have a private conversation with a man you thought you knew, is equivalent to getting black-out drunk in a bar.
 
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Mehhh don’t bother anymore. He has made himself clear that he’s trying to “trigger” women by purposefully making sexist generalizations or ignoring what you’re actually trying to say. These kind of people like to do it here. Better to ignore them. Probably hurting more than us, actually.

Anyway, DarkLight, I hope you have amazing men around you who truly care for you and the women around them. And there’s also plenty of wonderful guys here, lol! I can’t imagine going what you went through 💕
 
Then why aren’t white men next in line for protected victim-class status?
I believe we were explaining how certain ideals of masculinity (I can take care of myself and I never need anybody’s help) are pretty dangerous to men themselves. Those ideals mean that when a guy really is dealing with something he cannot cope with on his own (say depression or PTSD), he’s going to wind up worse off than a “weaker” person who is quicker to look for outside help. It’s not a realistic ideal, because at some point, you’re going to need other people.

Also, if women are the sex designated to cultivate social and familial relationships, a guy who believes those things aren’t his job but who doesn’t have a woman on hand doing it for him is going to wind up very lonely and isolated. You can see the upshot of this in how much more severely widowers tend to suffer than widows unless they remarry:

“While women who lose their husbands often speak of feeling abandoned or deserted, widowers tend to express the loss as one of “dismemberment,” as if they had lost something that kept them organized and whole.”

“Most epidemiological studies report that marriage tends to be protective for men in terms of depression and other mental health problems, largely because a supportive marital relationship buffers them from the negative impact of the stress and strains of everyday life. Bereavement, therefore, is more depressing for many widowers because they, quite simply, have more to lose than widows. This is based on the assumption that a man’s spouse is often his primary source of social support. Consequently, although a widower may have been more apt to express his thoughts and feelings to his wife when she was alive, he may be equally unlikely to be so open to others. Widows more frequently use alternative sources of support that can protect them more effectively from potentially adverse effects of the loss and other stressors.”

http://www.deathreference.com/Vi-Z/Widowers.html
And would you say there are and always have been an equivalent number of terrible mothers and terrible wives? And poor families where the men equally had to take whatever they could to make money? And a roughly equal number of mothers with bad judgement, too?
Well, but the context is that we’re discussing how effective male familial protection has been for women (especially poor women), and whether it makes sense to abandon modern legal protection for girls and women in favor of informal familial protection.

It’s not a discussion about whether men or women are worse. (And frankly, I don’t see the utility of discussing throwing out legal protection for women in favor of something that doesn’t exist anymore. We can’t just eliminate 150 years of history anymore than we can say, “Hunters and gatherers had better societies!” and all turn into hunters and gatherers.)

Historically, male familial protections seems to have been least effective for girls from poor families or girls in families where the danger was coming from a male authority figure in the family.
 
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So you spend 24 hours a day with parents and police?
TAG was explaining her upbringing.

Mine was similar. I would certainly look to my parents or grandparents or aunts and uncles for protection (not siblings or cousins because I was the oldest), but I certainly wasn’t brought up to be turning to random men for protection. And in our case, the police wasn’t even on the radar–I’m a former country kid, and the police was at least 20 minutes away, if they chose to favor us with their presence. I was also my dad’s chief helper for many years on the ranch, as I was the oldest kid and the one and only boy in the family was born 15 years into my parents’ marriage. A not uncommon Saturday activity was sloshing around chasing cows through the mud and muck under 40 degree rain or collecting, loading and unloading and stacking firewood all day. My sis (who is 5 years older than our baby brother) had a similar upbringing.

I think you have some rather mistaken views about how girls are brought up, especially in the sort of families that produce female CAF regulars.
Because if I’m being assaulted by some thugs in the street your “Men scare me because they are big and strong” self is definitely going to jump in and throw down to defend me.
The point is that after a guy has been assaulted and traumatized, the I’m-a-manly-man-who-don’t-need-no-help routine is very bad for him. It’s setting him up for failure to believe that a) he can take on anybody and if he can’t he’s a failure and b) that he is failing as a man if he ever needs any help. (Interestingly, there’s a female version of this, where moms are failures if they ever need any help.)
 
You’re genuinely trying to poison the well and also engaging in the shaming tactic I mentioned before and was assured no feminist would ever engage in. It’s hilarious how quickly women fall into it whenever they are challenged, it’s their primary defense.

“Oh, you are attacking my position with logical arguments? Then I will respond by attacking your manhood, first by calling you a boy, and second by accusing you of being inexperienced with women.”

Fortunately for you, the mods here would hammer me (again) for responding in kind, so I’ll stick with my have a nice day.
I did not attack your manhood. You need to calm down.
 
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The point is that after a guy has been assaulted and traumatized, the I’m-a-manly-man-who-don’t-need-no-help routine is very bad for him. It’s setting him up for failure to believe that a) he can take on anybody and if he can’t he’s a failure and b) that he is failing as a man if he ever needs any help. (Interestingly, there’s a female version of this, where moms are failures if they ever need any help.)
There’s a pretty strong suggestion this is behind the high male suicide rates too. Men are less likely to seek help when they need it, and they’re more likely to consider that if they’re overwhelmed it means they’re a failure as a person.

The fundamental thing is most feminists really don’t see this as a battle between men versus women, where we’re trying to make women superior to men or whatever. A better analogy would be where when the pie is divvied up, men are getting a bigger slice than women - but then they’re told they’d better eat all their pie even if they aren’t hungry or are feeling sick.
 
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