Has women in the work force helped or hurt the family?

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IMO, we have a real problem with people not respecting the true blessings behind motherhood and fatherhood. We have a crisis with men and fathers, and likewise we have a crisis of women not wanting to be mothers, and when they are they seem to constantly want to escape that vocation…as if being a dedicated fulltime stay-at-home mother and caring for many children is somehow beneath them, as if being a mom is just not enough (yet it is the single largest blessing any human ever receives in this life imo). Yes, most of this also applies to men and fathers as well.)
What I have a problem is people defining motherhood and fatherhood. Motherhood does not mean only moms who sah. I don’t know where that notion comes from but it seems to be insinuated all over this thread.
 
I find it both laughable and horrifying to learn you think a bond between caregiver and child is bad. I have no words…
Warrenton;7679781:
Let us do the math. The child spends at least seven to eight hours in school, no counting the hour long bus ride that are normal in rural areas. Then the child goes to daycare, where another three hours may be spent. Then the child sleeps at least eight hours per night. The majority of the day, therefore, is spent without parent contact, and it is broken in two pieces - the morning rush, and the remains of the day after work.
Do you think working fathers don’t raise their children because they hold jobs?
 
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What I find sad is that so many women are taught to feel like they cannot feel happiness being a stay-at-home mom. From my limited “male” point of view, I just cannot think of any blessing humans receive that is greater than childbirth and being a mother. Yet, today motherhood simply is not held to a high esteem at all…it is just another “choice” among many. I find it all very sad. 🙂
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Do you also feel that way about fatherhood? Because I believe that it is sad that so many men are taught to feel like they can’t find happiness being a stay-at-home dad…moreso than for a mom where it’s still more common.
I made it clear that most of my views also apply to men and fathers. Not sure what more I can add, other then to say: I sure hope you do not think that men and women have the same gifts, that somehow we are basically interchangeable. 🙂
 
It has now been a well established fact that women pursue careers at nearly the same rate as men and they work fulltime at nearly the same rate as men. Those numbers have steadily increased for the last three decades. This has been the case long enough to help us create an informed opinion about the impact of these developments.

So, here are a few questions"
  1. Has women working fulltime outside the home been a good or bad development for the American family?
  2. Has our culture improved since women entered the workforce in massive numbers?
  3. Are our children better or worse off?
  4. Has women working fulltime made this nation stronger, weaker, or no impact?
  5. Have our children become stronger or weaker in the faith?
  6. Has entering careers and fulltime work been good or bad for women (and women who are moms)?
**Add on questions for married couples: **
  1. Would women prefer to work and let their husbands stay at home and care for their children? Or, would women rather both spouses work?
  2. Would it better to have men stay at home with the kids, rather then neither parent staying home?
First off…I am offend by the fact that people blame the problems of the world on women/feminists. I am a feminist…BUT I’m whole heartily against birth control and abortion. I believe that every woman has the RIGHT to be educated and see the world for herself…For many years a woman’s “worth” depended on how many sons she had and how well she served her husband.

I have worked at a local restaurant sense I was 14 and I’ve helped pay the bills and put food on the table.

This thread sounds a bit sexist :tsktsk:
 
I made it clear that most of my views also apply to men and fathers. Not sure what more I can add, other then to say: I sure hope you do not think that men and women have the same gifts, that somehow we are basically interchangeable. 🙂
Not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying a father cannot be a nurturing caregiver or that a mother isn’t wired to feel a longing for a career? Because if that’s what you’re saying, I can assure you that you’re mistaken. I know several couples who could prove you otherwise.

Yes, we all have gifts…different gifts. But our gifts aren’t always determined by our gender. My good friends could serve as just one of several examples. He is extremely nuturing. He has always wanted to be a stay at home dad. He loves doing carpool, taking the kids to the park, having dinner in the oven when mom gets home, etc. His wife has more earning potential with her two masters degrees and loves her career. She really feels she is making a difference in the world, and in her children’s lives. She is setting a wonderful example of helping others, and living up to her potential. Dad is setting the same example in a different way. So, not sure what you mean by “interchangeable”, but obviously our gifts are not determined by our gender.
 
What I have a problem is people defining motherhood and fatherhood. Motherhood does not mean only moms who sah. I don’t know where that notion comes from but it seems to be insinuated all over this thread.
Of course motherhood is not only about sahm. I never said it was.

However, it is about whether or not children are a true priority. I hear so often of couples who both work and they pay a nanny to care for their child or children. Sorry, I find that to be incredibly unfair (yes I realize that is harsh), because if the couple can afford to pay a fulltime nanny, then chances are they could afford to have one parent stay at home.

I understand there are many cases in which families just cannot afford to have a parent stay at home, yet it is beyond my understanding why couples would choose to have pretty much a stranger get to know their kids better than they do. Even placing multiple kids in daycare centers is not exactly cheap today and the financial benefit cannot be so great that having one parent stay home would not make for a better choice (if there are multiple kids in the daycare).

I feel we live in a contraceptive and abortive culture. By this I am saying that even though many Catholics do not abort or contracept, they still have a “me first mentality” even about their families and children. Fathers and mothers place their own desire for a career above what is best for their children. How can anyone doubt that having a parent present in the morning before school, then after school, then on sick days, and on days off, and during the summer, and taking care of all the many things that need to be done in a home, is a very good thing for children of nearly all ages? Children do MUCH better when they have the love and stability of a stay at home parent, and yes fathers can do that too, yet mothers are gifted in ways then men are not…it is just a fact. I realize that it is hugely unpopular to say that women can do things that men simply cannot do, or vice versa, yet it is a fact. When a child is sick, they more often want their mom, then their dad (which btw does not mean they do not love their dad). When a child or children come home to their mom/dad and some awesome homemade cookies are waiting for them, there is literally nothing a daycare can do to equal that connection–that loving bound that so many parents just throw out the door today. When a child or children are feeling sad, a nany cannot love them nearly as much as a parent can, and the children know that too.

Yet, today, even among many Catholics, parenthood is treated as something couples add to THEIR life resumes, liek a checklist: Yep, got the kids–check. Yep, little Susie is an honor student–check. Yep, little Johnny is off to Harvard–check. Yep, we have the newest minivan that cook dinner and put kids to bed, etc–check.

Kids today are treated more as commodities, then the precious gifts from God that they really are, and many parents place their own personal desires well above the needs (spiritual and temporal) of their children…oftentimes children are seen as an incovenience in life, rather then a blessing.

Of course, on this thread, perhaps none of these points apply to people here. These points, as with all my points, are generalizations and do not apply to everyone or all situations.

God allows parents just 16, 18, maybe 20 or so years of genuine influence upon our children. After that they enter the adult human race, and we all know how brutal that can be. Parents need to pour out literally everything they have into their children, not into themselves. And, this applies more than anything to their spiritual, ethical and moral upbringing (parents should care more about what kind of people their children ae, then about how great an academic they are).

The world is in true crisis, and it is in desperate need of authentic Christian people who place others and Christ above themselves. Without that, there is little hope for the future.

*I will now quietly place my rather large soapbox away… *:)]
 
Not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying a father cannot be a nurturing caregiver or that a mother isn’t wired to feel a longing for a career? Because if that’s what you’re saying, I can assure you that you’re mistaken. I know several couples who could prove you otherwise.

Yes, we all have gifts…different gifts. But our gifts aren’t always determined by our gender. My good friends could serve as just one of several examples. He is extremely nuturing. He has always wanted to be a stay at home dad. He loves doing carpool, taking the kids to the park, having dinner in the oven when mom gets home, etc. His wife has more earning potential with her two masters degrees and loves her career. She really feels she is making a difference in the world, and in her children’s lives. She is setting a wonderful example of helping others, and living up to her potential. Dad is setting the same example in a different way. So, not sure what you mean by “interchangeable”, but obviously our gifts are not determined by our gender.
Fathers can be, and of course many times they are. Yet, fathers are simply built differently both emotionally and pysically.

We can make ourselves do any number of things. I know men who are sahds. They do a great job and they like it…yet they freely admit that their wives are far better at the nuturing and emotional aspects then they are. I have heard that so many times that I believe it reaches way beyond anecdotal. In many of those cases the kids are close to their fathers, but they often wait for “mom” to get home so they can share their more deep thoughts and problems.

I think today that women have been sold such a bill of goods, and are so convinced that those goods are valuable, that they often cannot understand what they have given up. This applies to so many things, for example women actually believe that abortion and contraception is for them…what a vile joke that is…men are the real beneficiaries of contraception and abortion, but MEN have sold women on the idea that it is for them, that those “tools” help make women more free. Likewise, women have been sold the lie that having a career is the real way for them to feel satisfied and fullfilled in this life…and that staying at home with kids is somehow beneath their abilities.

When a mother works hard in a career and has several children in a daycare or with a nanny, I do wonder later in life when they reach say 65-70, will they look back and think that they should have spent even more time at work, or will they think that it would have been better if they could have spent more time with their children (and yes in most cases that applies to men and fathers too). Missing out on school events, or when they cross new thresholds in their lives are often things that kids do ONE TIME, and if parents miss it, that moment is gone forever. The window of opportunity to form, love and teach children is quite short…once that window closes, it is closed forever. Do parents want those opportunities to fall into the hands of daycares and nannies, or into their own hands? That is something to think about imo.

Today, in many ways, women are basically men. They look different certainly, but that is about the only difference nowadays…and somehow I just do not believe God wants it that way. But again, I am just a guy with a limited and archaic pov.

Enough from me. Thanks again…have to get some real stuff done. 🙂
 
It seems to me that some focus rather heavily on the financial aspect of choosing to work out of the home. Irishpatrick’s last comment certainly went there with the comment about being able to afford a nanny.

I would respectfully ask those who hold the position that if it is financially possible for a mother to stay home with her children that she is obligated to do so, or else guilty of extreme selfishness to consider some other factors.

Not everyone is cut out to stay home all day with small children and no adult contact. Some women (and men too) are capable of this, and this is wonderful. For some, lack of intellectual challenge and adult conversation (especially today when families do not always live close to extended family), can lead to mental health problems. A stay at home mother who is depressed, or otherwise suffering from mental issues is not a blessing to her children.

For me, my ideal would be working part time. I would love to take my kids to school, and pick them up in the afternoon, and work as an electrical engineer in between. I believe I will be able to do this, but it is not an option when children are very small.

If my husband and I were focused only on money, we would certainly send our children to daycare, which is much less expensive than a nanny. We prefer the intimate one on one contact our children get with our trusted nanny to day care, so we are willing to pay for that. We cannot pay a nanny part time, because she needs to make a living as well. So, that is why we are where we are.

Throughout this whole thread irishpatrick has tried to pretend he is neutral on this topic and just asking questions, although many, including Serap noted his real intentions.

So, go ahead and judge me to be selfish. Imagine that I am fueled only by money. My husband and I are some of the cheapest people I know. I spend plenty of time with my children, and they know I love them. For us it truly is not about the money, but about having a healthy relationship and mental state.

Fortunately, I can discern the truth for myself, and I know that others find their own path to the best of their ability also.
 
not all working mothers are working because they want the prestige of a career.
Many work because they need the paycheck! I was raised by a single mom, She HAD to work.

Where would hospital be if no woman ever became a nurse?
 
I just have to say… I don’t have a ‘me first’ mentality. I have no aspirations to become a power suit wearing, man crushing force out there. I work for a non profit and it allows me a lot of flexibility, but doesn’t pay a lot. I am not doing it for the paycheck, I really just feel for the cause we are working for (we advocate for poor farmers).

She does go to daycare, and it is run by the sweetest little ladies you will ever meet. Basically, she spends the day playing with grandmother figures and other children her age. She LOVES it! And we love her as the precious gift that she is. Our time together is very dense and enjoyable, she is very bonded to her daycare providers, us, my family, my husband’s family. She has a network of caring adults in her life, they all serve different roles.

If I had a ‘me first’ mentality, i would not attempt to become a Social Worker like i am currently trying to do. I would be a lawyer, doctor, or something that garnered a better paycheck. However, don’t discredit that many doctors and lawyers love what they do and have special talents and gifts given by God to do their job. A friend of mine is a lawyer working for family courts, she advocates heavily on behalf of child welfare and she is certainly not living a high life.

sorry to toss in again… I just want to bust the perceptions and get people to re-think these things a bit.

Cheers, Charity, and Blessings,
M
 
Of course motherhood is not only about sahm. I never said it was.

However, it is about whether or not children are a true priority. I hear so often of couples who both work and they pay a nanny to care for their child or children. Sorry, I find that to be incredibly unfair (yes I realize that is harsh),** because if the couple can afford to pay a fulltime nanny, then chances are they could afford to have one parent stay at home**.

I understand there are many cases in which families just cannot afford to have a parent stay at home,** yet it is beyond my understanding why couples would choose to have pretty much a stranger get to know their kids better than they do. Even placing multiple kids in daycare centers is not exactly cheap today and the financial benefit cannot be so great that having one parent stay home would not make for a better choice (if there are multiple kids in the daycare).**
Wow… see, I knew this thread was going to go in this direction.
I can’t tell you how utterly insulting and narrow-minded these points are. Clearly you lack a full perspective.
I pity your arrogance.
I feel we live in a contraceptive and abortive culture. By this I am saying that even though many Catholics do not abort or contracept, they still have a “me first mentality” even about their families and children.** Fathers and mothers place their own desire for a career above what is best for their children**. How can anyone doubt that having a parent present in the morning before school, then after school, then on sick days, and on days off, and during the summer, and taking care of all the many things that need to be done in a home, is a very good thing for children of nearly all ages? Children do MUCH better when they have the love and stability of a stay at home parent, and yes fathers can do that too, yet mothers are gifted in ways then men are not…it is just a fact. I realize that it is hugely unpopular to say that women can do things that men simply cannot do, or vice versa, yet it is a fact. When a child is sick, they more often want their mom, then their dad (which btw does not mean they do not love their dad). When a child or children come home to their mom/dad and some awesome homemade cookies are waiting for them, there is literally nothing a daycare can do to equal that connection–that loving bound that so many parents just throw out the door today. When a child or children are feeling sad, a nany cannot love them nearly as much as a parent can, and the children know that too.

Yet, today, even among many Catholics, parenthood is treated as something couples add to THEIR life resumes, liek a checklist: Yep, got the kids–check. Yep, little Susie is an honor student–check. Yep, little Johnny is off to Harvard–check. Yep, we have the newest minivan that cook dinner and put kids to bed, etc–check.

Kids today are treated more as commodities, then the precious gifts from God that they really are, and many parents place their own personal desires well above the needs (spiritual and temporal) of their children…oftentimes children are seen as an incovenience in life, rather then a blessing.

Of course, on this thread, perhaps none of these points apply to people here. These points, as with all my points, are generalizations and do not apply to everyone or all situations.

God allows parents just 16, 18, maybe 20 or so years of genuine influence upon our children. After that they enter the adult human race, and we all know how brutal that can be. Parents need to pour out literally everything they have into their children, not into themselves. And, this applies more than anything to their spiritual, ethical and moral upbringing (parents should care more about what kind of people their children ae, then about how great an academic they are).

The world is in true crisis, and it is in desperate need of authentic Christian people who place others and Christ above themselves. Without that, there is little hope for the future.

*I will now quietly place my rather large soapbox away… *:)]
Are you insinuating that “authentic Christian people” must fit a certain mold?

I agree with the fundamental points you are making… but your narrow-minded scope of the world is quite eye-opening.
 
Throughout this whole thread irishpatrick has tried to pretend he is neutral on this topic and just asking questions, although many, including Serap noted his real intentions.
No kidding. 😊
not all working mothers are working because they want the prestige of a career.
Many work because they need the paycheck! I was raised by a single mom, She HAD to work.

Where would hospital be if no woman ever became a nurse?
👍
 
The first link does not point to any evidence that valium was used specifically for mothers, it just points to its use, and its use was mainly in the 60s and 70s, not in the 50s as you stated earlier. Drugs were heavily used in many forms in the 60s and 70s (legal and illegal), so no surprise there.

The second link does attempt to make those claims, but I would not call a blog reliable proof of such questionable claims. I would need true scientific traceable proof that the majority of mothers in the 50s used valium BECAUSE THEY WERE AT HOME, before I will concede your pont.

This reminds very much of the myth of the coat hanger abortions. While it is certainly true some women did use coat hangers, and some women did get some very dangerous (and sometimes lethal) abortions done, the numbers were not high and I suspect the same explosion of a myth is going on with valium as well.

IMO, we have a real problem with people not respecting the true blessings behind motherhood and fatherhood. We have a crisis with men and fathers, and likewise we have a crisis of women not wanting to be mothers, and when they are they seem to constantly want to escape that vocation…as if being a dedicated fulltime stay-at-home mother and caring for many children is somehow beneath them, as if being a mom is just not enough (yet it is the single largest blessing any human ever receives in this life imo). Yes, most of this also applies to men and fathers as well.

Oh well, being a man I easily concede that my pov is limited–so no point in continuing to rehash this stuff. The truth is women quite often (not all and not always) like being in jobs more than they like being moms. One can always tell a person’s priority. It is like when we see a car with a bumper sticker proclaiming their child is an honor student at “so and so” high school…that is a declaration of a huge priority by the parents of that child–the parents care more about their child’s academics, then they do about whether or not the child is an authentically good person. Personally, I care not much about whether a child is an honor student as much as I care whether or not they are an authentically good people (and no recyling plastic does not make a person good–it makes them politically correct).

When we pass this life I seriously doubt God will ask us if we enjoyed our careers and jobs. I do believe He will ask us what sort of person and parent we were–because THAT is what matters…how much were we really willing to give.

All of this is just my opinion and nothing more and yes much of it is generalizations so it does not apply to every person or every situation.

Thanks for all the great posts. May God bless you fully. 🙂
AH HA!!! Now your true feelings have come out. You were definitely intending to hook many women into arguing with you and it has worked.

I do not need to justify my stance anymore to you. I am a working mother…I have a career…two beautiful children and I love being a mother. I feel blessed with motherhood and the fact that I choose to work and have a career does nothing to minimize that.
 
Today, in many ways, women are basically men. They look different certainly, but that is about the only difference nowadays…and somehow I just do not believe God wants it that way. But again, I am just a guy with a limited and archaic pov.
UGH, this just makes me want to scream! :mad:

Oh wise one… please interpret God’s desires for us! :rolleyes:
 
To all,

When compared to men today, women are true saints. Truly. For the record, I admire women beyond words and feel they do heavy lifting beyond measure in a great many ways. Yet, that does not mean from time–to-time women cannot be challenged to give thought to the choices they make.

I want to close my presence on this thread by stating clearly that I have made generalized statements here, if you find my views do not apply to you, then great they do not apply to you. I am simply of the mind that parents today (fathers and mothers) need to give some very careful thought to the choices they make regarding their children and I think quite often parents think more about themselves, then they do of their children. If I said anything that you felt was insulting, then I sincerely apologize.

As for people thinking I had an agenda…that is just wrong. In fact, I was not even going to post these messages today because I really did create this thread as a means to ask questions and as a means to see how Catholic women would respond. I felt it was only fair for me to put my own views here since I have asked for yours. Again, I am a man, so my views are skewed by my limited perspective of being a man, so forgive me if I stepped on anyone’s toes. 🙂

Our Lady Mary said yes to God, and thanks to that our Savior was born into this world. I suppose in the end I feel we all need to say “yes” to God more often, and say “no” to ourselves more often. It is up to each person to discern that.

God bless and once again I am sorry if my posts were an insult to anyone…that was not my intention. 🙂
 
Of course motherhood is not only about sahm. I never said it was.

However, it is about whether or not children are a true priority. I hear so often of couples who both work and they pay a nanny to care for their child or children. Sorry, I find that to be incredibly unfair (yes I realize that is harsh), because if the couple can afford to pay a fulltime nanny, then chances are they could afford to have one parent stay at home.

URRRRRHHHHHHH (sound of car breaks)

ok…here goes; my live-in nanny is paid $1,600 per month. My bills (including nanny) are $3,800.00 per month. Do you seriously think I can afford to not work?

You are seriously ignorant and I knew your true colors would eventually show. My kids are a huge priority to me and every minute that I’m not at work, I’m with my kids.

Oh and by the way, my live-in nanny is very loved by my kids and I love her too. She has become an “aunt” to my kids and I plan on keeping her as part of my family even when she’s not working with us anymore.

This is a bad thing for my kids…you can go…:whistle:

I understand there are many cases in which families just cannot afford to have a parent stay at home, yet it is beyond my understanding why couples would choose to have pretty much a stranger get to know their kids better than they do. Even placing multiple kids in daycare centers is not exactly cheap today and the financial benefit cannot be so great that having one parent stay home would not make for a better choice (if there are multiple kids in the daycare).

I feel we live in a contraceptive and abortive culture. By this I am saying that even though many Catholics do not abort or contracept, they still have a “me first mentality” even about their families and children. Fathers and mothers place their own desire for a career above what is best for their children. How can anyone doubt that having a parent present in the morning before school, then after school, then on sick days, and on days off, and during the summer, and taking care of all the many things that need to be done in a home, is a very good thing for children of nearly all ages? Children do MUCH better when they have the love and stability of a stay at home parent, and yes fathers can do that too, yet mothers are gifted in ways then men are not…it is just a fact. I realize that it is hugely unpopular to say that women can do things that men simply cannot do, or vice versa, yet it is a fact. When a child is sick, they more often want their mom, then their dad (which btw does not mean they do not love their dad). When a child or children come home to their mom/dad and some awesome homemade cookies are waiting for them, there is literally nothing a daycare can do to equal that connection–that loving bound that so many parents just throw out the door today. When a child or children are feeling sad, a nany cannot love them nearly as much as a parent can, and the children know that too.

Yet, today, even among many Catholics, parenthood is treated as something couples add to THEIR life resumes, liek a checklist: Yep, got the kids–check. Yep, little Susie is an honor student–check. Yep, little Johnny is off to Harvard–check. Yep, we have the newest minivan that cook dinner and put kids to bed, etc–check.

Kids today are treated more as commodities, then the precious gifts from God that they really are, and many parents place their own personal desires well above the needs (spiritual and temporal) of their children…oftentimes children are seen as an incovenience in life, rather then a blessing.

**BRRRRHHHHHHH…my kids are no one’s “commodity”. I have no personal desires above my kids. EVERY PENNY I MAKE goes to the bills and my kids…EVERY PENNY. I make so many sacrifices. How dare you make these kind of judgements.

You can go…:whistle:**

Of course, on this thread, perhaps none of these points apply to people here. These points, as with all my points, are generalizations and do not apply to everyone or all situations.

Ok…now my blood pressure is beginning to lower. Thanks for mentioning this point.

God allows parents just 16, 18, maybe 20 or so years of genuine influence upon our children. After that they enter the adult human race, and we all know how brutal that can be. Parents need to pour out literally everything they have into their children, not into themselves. And, this applies more than anything to their spiritual, ethical and moral upbringing (parents should care more about what kind of people their children ae, then about how great an academic they are).

The world is in true crisis, and it is in desperate need of authentic Christian people who place others and Christ above themselves. Without that, there is little hope for the future.

*I will now quietly place my rather large soapbox away… *:)]
It was just a matter of time before you reeled us all in on your true feelings…not just getting information were you??? :dts::hammering:
 
To all,

When compared to men today, women are true saints. Truly. For the record, I admire women beyond words and feel they do heavy lifting beyond measure in a great many ways. Yet, that does not mean from time–to-time women cannot be challenged to give thought to the choices they make.
This assumes the “choice” is always made by the woman.
Remember my “pros/cons list” I mentioned in previous posts… I don’t make selfish decisions on my own accord for my own good. Your assumptions that women (in general) “choose” to work is beyond absurd.
I want to close my presence on this thread by stating clearly that I have made generalized statements here, if you find my views do not apply to you, then great they do not apply to you. I am simply of the mind that parents today (fathers and mothers) need to give some very careful thought to the choices they make regarding their children and I think quite often parents think more about themselves, then they do of their children. If I said anything that you felt was insulting, then I sincerely apologize.
Apology accepted.
However, I still beg to differ that your statements are even “generalized”… I claim they are fairly narrow-minded in fact… lacking a “general” perspective of how the world really works.
As for people thinking I had an agenda…that is just wrong. In fact, I was not even going to post these messages today because I really did create this thread as a means to ask questions and as a means to see how Catholic women would respond. I felt it was only fair for me to put my own views here since I have asked for yours. Again, I am a man, so my views are skewed by my limited perspective of being a man, so forgive me if I stepped on anyone’s toes. 🙂

Our Lady Mary said yes to God, and thanks to that our Savior was born into this world. I suppose in the end I feel we all need to say “yes” to God more often, and say “no” to ourselves more often. It is up to each person to discern that.

God bless and once again I am sorry if my posts were an insult to anyone…that was not my intention. 🙂
Well, then I hope you, too, have taken something away from this thread… learned a little and grown from your new perspective.

God bless.
 
UGH, this just makes me want to scream! :mad:

Oh wise one… please interpret God’s desires for us! :rolleyes:
are you getting all hot and bothered like me? I am so mad!!!

Why am I letting this get to me…🤷

btw…my city is having a huge snowstorm today…how depressing. My anger should be directed at that instead. 😃
 
Likewise, women have been sold the lie that having a career is the real way for them to feel satisfied and fullfilled in this life…and that staying at home with kids is somehow beneath their abilities.
But you seem to be saying that us women should want nothing more out of life than to watch our kids and look after a household. Once someone is a mother, she is always a mother. But that does NOT mean she is nothing else. No mother on here has suggested that staying at home with their children is “beneath their abilities”. Instead, everyone is trying to tell you that they are doing what is best for their own family and its circumstances.
 
btw…my city is having a huge snowstorm today…how depressing. My anger should be directed at that instead. 😃
I, on the other hand, am staring outside at the most glorious spring break weather that Central Florida could possibly provide… I’m mad I can’t go outside and play!!
 
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