Has women in the work force helped or hurt the family?

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GraceDK said:
Thats easy to answer.

But tell me, who was standing at the Supreme Alter, the Cross?

I’ll quote for you: “By the cross of Jesus stood his mother, and the sister of his mother, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala”. - Gospel of John.
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Are you for or against female altar servers? 🙂
 
Serap said:
Hey Whatevergirl!!! Long time no hear!!! Nice to see your post today!!!

Yeah…women are eeeeeevil…

Working mothers is nothing new…why is this even an issue 🤷

Hey, a good priest friend of mine once defended me when I told him I felt guilty for working. He told me that he has seen many many children turn out wonderfully despite a working mother. He said that it depends on the family as a whole; not whether or not mom and dad are working.

Then he mentioned that it takes a village to raise a child.
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Hello! 🙂

It’s an americanized philosophy. It’s not based on Biblical truths. I do think if couples can swing it…a parent should be at home with their child/children. That’s ideal. But, I find it rather sad when I see moms quitting well paying jobs, with benefits…to accomodate an insecure husband. Dad working two jobs and never seeing junior…isn’t ‘‘ideal.’’ And Leave it to Beaver…who really lives like that? Not many can…especially in this economy. I was fortunate to stay at home for a time. But, if I had to work back then, I wouldn’t have looked at it like I was ‘‘less than’’ a stay at home mom. <<<< I loathe that phrase. lol (sahm)
 
Em_in_FL said:
No, not even close… but we cannot JUDGE a particular situation when actions are amoral.
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It is your opinion that this is an amoral situation. I disagree. I think how parents care for their children is personal decision, it is a spiritual decision, it is a practical life decision, and thus it is also a moral decision.

If one does not put any form of sacrifice or concern into raising their children, then they are acting immorally imo. I am not saying that any of that applies to you or anyone else here…it is a general statement.

wow has the modern world lost the use and understanding of generalizations or what?]
 
irishpatrick said:
It is your opinion that this is an amoral situation. I disagree. I think how parents care for their children is personal decision, it is a spiritual decision, it is a practical life decision, and thus it is also a moral decision.

If one does not put any form of sacrifice or concern into raising their children, then they are acting immorally imo. I am not saying that any of that applies to you or anyone else here…it is a general statement.

wow has the modern world lost the use and understanding of generalizations or what?]
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We turn to the CHURCH to guide us in the ways of morality…
I mean, that’s neat and all that you have your opinion of this… but you’re going to have to create a new church or something to implement these teachings… 😉

Who says working mothers aren’t sacrificing or don’t have concern for the raising of their children anyway???.. even “in general”? :rolleyes:
 
Folks,

Let me say one last time, for I tire of needing to say it so often.

My statements here: ARE GENERALIZATIONS. They are not directed towards any one person, and if they do not apply to your situation, then great they do not apply. I cannot and will not judge your personal situation because I cannot know the facts.

Pheeew…

Seems we are “going around in circles…”
 
irishpatrick said:
Folks,

Let me say one last time, for I tire of needing to say it so often.

My statements here: ARE GENERALIZATIONS. They are not directed towards any one person, and if they do not apply to your situation, then great they do not apply. I cannot and will not judge your personal situation because I cannot know the facts.

Pheeew…

Seems we are “going around in circles…”
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This is such a cop-out…
 
Em_in_FL said:
We turn to the CHURCH to guide us in the ways of morality…
I mean, that’s neat and all that you have your opinion of this… but you’re going to have to create a new church or something to implement these teachings… 😉

Who says working mothers aren’t sacrificing or don’t have concern for the raising of their children anyway???.. even “in general”? :rolleyes:
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I do not believe we need statements from the church on all matters.

I believe these general statements to be true, otherwise I would not bother posting them. Of course, I have no way of knowing the situation of anyone here, and I assume the best in all cases.
 
Em_in_FL said:
This is such a cop-out…
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Not at all. It is just a fact. I have posted general statements…if they do not apply to you, then ignore them. But, do not take personally what is not intended to be personal.
 
irishpatrick said:
It is your opinion that this is an amoral situation. I disagree. I think how parents care for their children is personal decision, it is a spiritual decision, it is a practical life decision, and thus it is also a moral decision.

If one does not put any form of sacrifice or concern into raising their children, then they are acting immorally imo. I am not saying that any of that applies to you or anyone else here…it is a general statement.

wow has the modern world lost the use and understanding of generalizations or what?]
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If you make generalizations you are making sweeping statements or inferences i.e you are covering everyone and everything of the like with the same brush.
 
trinichiqn said:
If you make generalizations you are making sweeping statements or inferences i.e you are covering everyone and everything of the like with the same brush.
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Of course, generalizations are meant for everyone to consider, but that does not mean they apply to everyone.

Example: In general, all men are hairy! That statement is a general statement and for the majoriity of men it is true, yet not for all because some men are not at all hairy.

Modern culure has lost its ability to make generalizations…it seems to not evern understand it as a proper tool.

Here is another simple example: Men are taller than women. That is a generalized statement and is true for the majority, but certainly not in all cases…some women are taller than men.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
I think this is as false as anything else the media has told us. I believe that most people marry for good reasons and love their spouse very much. I think this has been true throughout history. Of course there are exceptions - there are cruel people and abusive people. But they are not the rule. And marriages have not been dictatorships in Christianity. Islam, yes.

This statement is a very biased viewpoint. I think if you really thought about it, you would realize how much it is a creation of the feminist mindset.
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It’s written in Tolstoys biography that when his wife had given birth to 5 children in a row she was exhausted and begged him to stop. He didn’t.
I read a self biography of a woman in the very area I live in… Less than hundred years ago she got married, had to work full time in the fields and gave birth to 12 children. her husband didn’t concern himself with her exhaustion, he didn’t even allow her to go home from the fields to nurse her hungry children when they were babies.
My brother in laws father said that while he was growing up the priest would keep an eye on whether women in the parish were always pregnant, and if they were he would take a talk with the husband…

I think we can’t understand the age before psychology and emancipation… All I know is I am happy to live today instead of back then. Indeed it was not a society that valued the intelligence, work and oppinions of women as equal to those of men.
 
irishpatrick said:
Not at all. It is just a fact. I have posted general statements…if they do not apply to you, then ignore them. But, do not take personally what is not intended to be personal.
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You’ve posted opinions…
“General statements” need to be based on statistical data. I haven’t seen any provided.
 
irishpatrick said:
Of course, generalizations are meant for everyone to consider, but that does not mean they apply to everyone.

Example: In general, all men are hairy! That statement is a general statement and for the majoriity of men it is true, yet not for all because some men are not at all hairy.

Modern culure has lost its ability to make generalizations…it seems to not evern understand it as a proper tool.

Here is another simple example: Men are taller than women. That is a generalized statement and is true for the majority, but certainly not in all cases…some women are taller than men.
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They’re a proper tool when they have substantial statistical data to back them up.
Otherwise, they’re personal opinions based on a limited observational scope.
 
irishpatrick said:
Of course, generalizations are meant for everyone to consider, but that does not mean they apply to everyone.

Example: In general, all men are hairy! That statement is a general statement and for the majoriity of men it is true, yet not for all because some men are not at all hairy.

Modern culure has lost its ability to make generalizations…it seems to not evern understand it as a proper tool.

Here is another simple example: Men are taller than women. That is a generalized statement and is true for the majority, but certainly not in all cases…some women are taller than men.
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Well right you are saying all men are hairy, generally, therefore when you meet a hairless man he is the exception to the rule, because generally all men are hairy.
 
To all,

After reading the many views from women regarding men, I feel (sadly) that it is no wonder that today a great many women do NOT want to marry–that they feel perfectly fullfilled and happy being single. I have heard (cannot prove) that today more men want to marry, then do women. That is a drastic change and it is a sign of the times in which we live.

Oh well. I think my (name removed by moderator)ut here has probably run its logical course since our discussions appear to becoming full circle to points made many times.

Thank you to all for the robust talk. Have a great day and a great weekend and may God bless you fully. 🙂
 
irishpatrick said:
To all,

After reading the many views from women regarding men, I feel (sadly) that it is no wonder that today a great many women do NOT want to marry–that they feel perfectly fullfilled and happy being single. I have heard (cannot prove) that today more men want to marry, then do women. That is a drastic change and it is a sign of the times in which we live.

Oh well. I think my (name removed by moderator)ut here has probably run its logical course since our discussions appear to becoming full circle to points made many times.

Thank you to all for the robust talk. Have a great day and a great weekend and may God bless you fully. 🙂
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What does this have to do with anything on this thread? :confused:
 
trinichiqn said:
Well right you are saying all men are hairy, generally, therefore when you meet a hairless man he is the exception to the rule, because generally all men are hairy.
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Yes, exactly right and the generalization is correct. Thanks for the chat. Take care. 🙂
 
Katie966 said:
What does this have to do with anything on this thread? :confused:
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It is simply a thought that struck my mind as I have decided to leave this thread. I have learned a lot, much of it good, much not so good.

Take care. 🙂
 
irishpatrick said:
To all,

After reading the many views from women regarding men, I feel (sadly) that it is no wonder that today a great many women do NOT want to marry–that they feel perfectly fullfilled and happy being single. I have heard (cannot prove) that today more men want to marry, then do women. That is a drastic change and it is a sign of the times in which we live.

Oh well. I think my (name removed by moderator)ut here has probably run its logical course since our discussions appear to becoming full circle to points made many times.

Thank you to all for the robust talk. Have a great day and a great weekend and may God bless you fully. 🙂
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It is sad that marriage seems to not be as valued as in the past.

We all should try to live our lives as good examples of Catholics who love our faith and do our best in all regards to following it’s teachings. Sometimes being a good example speaks a thousand words in today’s world.

My only advice is to be a little more charitable to those with whom your *opinions *differ. Study the fundamental teachings of the faith and the rest will fall in line…
 
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