Have any Non-Catholics here read the Catechism of the Catholic Church?

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Well, I asked what you believe being sent by God means. Small errors in the begining you know…
I told you what it means. Those who trust in God and believe His giving us the Church He has built and protects, will understand and believe. God’s one Church has not, does not, and will not teach error in faith and morals. Therefore, there are not even small errors. That you deny this, you do to your own detriment and outside of God’s revealed truth.
 
Well, I missed that, I guess.
Could you please restate it, maybe elaborate your answer a bit, so it doesn’t get right by me again.
Sure, not a problem. Please see the quote below that had been written to a user named “geometer”. I even bolded an essential part for you.
I use the word sent, because Christ used this word. If you believe in a false faith system, then you will not easily understand that which is true. For instance, you are not sent by Christ to be a Bishop or part of Christ’s infallible teaching institution. **That’s who we must listen to. Christ sent the Apostles to continue His mission. The Apostles laid hands on others to succeed them in their mission, and so on, until today, and 'till the end of time. Christ gave us a Prime Minister to protect the Church from teaching error in faith and morals. **The Church has never once taught error in faith and morals, and never will. Why? Not because of fallible men, but because Christ keeps His promise. However, He only promised this to the one Church He built.

The difference between Catholicism and non-Catholicism is that in Catholicism, the Spirit protects teachings despite fallible flesh in the offices of Bishop; in non-Catholicism, fallible flesh teaches error as there is no protection from the Spirit ever promised.
 
Sure, not a problem. Please see the quote below that had been written to a user named “geometer”. I even bolded an essential part for you.
So, you mean the laying on of hands in apostolic succession. Jesus did use the word sent in other ways.
 
So, you mean the laying on of hands in apostolic succession. Jesus did use the word sent in other ways.
And what I said was correct and answered your question correctly. Sure, Christ “having sent away the multitudes…” or Christ “he strictly charged him, and forthwith sent” the man cured of leprosy away… but those were obviously not what was being discussed. Christ discusses His own being sent here with a mission. He hands that mission on to the Apostles, sending them out. The Apostles hand that mission on to successors, for them to continue the mission Christ sent them out with. Now, why don’t you listen to those Christ sent? In rejecting them, you also reject Christ. So, the question becomes, if you say you love Christ, then why do you reject Christ in this way?
 
Well, thanks for making a reply, but I would never adopt such a system of convoluted ideas. How you find any of what you wrote as useful I have no idea? What does all that mean to you? What do you do with it?
It’s not a system. It’s 2000 years of Catholic reflection on the truths of salvation history. I am blessed to have so many great thinkers and Doctors of The Church to draw on.

What it demonstrates is the share that the Blessed Mother has in salvation. We see in Genesis that Eve was not head of the human race. Adam who was took it upon himself to name her “the mother of all the living.” She had her own special place she had a share in the events in the garden. She co-operated not as some irresponsible pawn, but intimately and personally in the sin. She shared in the punishment, she was a real agent in the fall. There were three parties in the garden- the serpent, the woman, and the man. God himself announced in the future, the three same parties would meet again. It was to be the serpent, the second Adam, and the new Eve who was to be the mother of the new Adam. This parallel is hard to miss. It is the doctrine of The Church Fathers from the earliest times. So once again this is not a system but The Faith of the early christians. St. Irenaeus says, “Thus the knot formed by Eve’s disobedience was untied by the obedience of Mary. What the Virgin Eve tied through unbelief, the Virgin Mary untied through faith.”

The dogmas on The Blessed Mother are rooted in God’s Holy Word. The BVM being a meaditrix of graces is just a continuation of what we see throughout salvation history. We read God reveals to Abraham and Moses that their intercession might avert its execution. To the friends of Job it was said: “My servant Job shall pray for you; his face I will accept.” Elias by his prayer shut and opened the heavens. We read of Jeremias, Moses, and Samuel; and of Noe, Daniel, and Job as being great mediators between God and His people. In the New Testament we see Lazarus, in the parable, is seen in Abraham’s bosom. What does The Church teach about the BVM more wonderful than this? If Abraham, not yet ascended on high, had charge of Lazarus, what offence is it to affirm the like of her, who was not merely as Abraham, “the friend”, but was the very “Mother of God”?

Like I said the Dogmas about our Blessed Mother properly understood are very rewarding in our walk with Jesus Christ.
 
Sure, Christ “having sent away the multitudes…” or Christ “he strictly charged him, and forthwith sent” the man cured of leprosy away… but those were obviously not what was being discussed. Christ discusses His own being sent here with a mission.
He tried to explain himself being sent in John chapter 8, but they could not understand what he told them. What do you think he meant?
 
I have read much of it. I do not believe that it is paralleled with truth and I do believe that much of it is in contrast to Holy Scripture. I do not like the teachings of a heretical institution.
The same Holy Spirit which Christ promised the Catholic Church is the same Holy Spirit who inspired the Catholic Authors of the Holy Bible and the same Holy Spirit who inspired the Catholic Authors of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

The Bible says that sins against the Holy Spirit is the only sin which will not be forgiven…and what is that sin, just look at Acts 5 especially vs 4 - It’s when someone goes against the Catholic Church - in this instance, the Holy Spirit instantly killed Ananias and Sapphira when they lied to the Catholic Church, St. Peter and the Apostles, which is the same as the Holy Spirit.

There is no way to justify accepting the Bible as Inspired by the Holy Spirit if you are denying the Catholic Church since the Holy Spirit is the One Who Inspired the Catholic Church to write the Bible in the first place. The Holy Spirit has never left the Catholic Church, but the Holy Spirit does leave individuals, especially when they go against the Catholic Church as is so perfectly described in Acts 5 above.

If I were in your shoes, I’d pick up the Catechism of the Catholic Church and in repentence to God pray to Him to help you understand the Truth and then begin reading it again with an open heart and mind.
 
I find it ironic that people will read the Scriptures and then proceed to tell the Catholic Church what they mean… that the Catholic Church is in error.

Catholics wrote Scriptures in the context of Catholicism. When you remove the context of Catholicism from the Scriptures, you no longer understand them.
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Maybe you can help me. I can’t find out how many years of post-highschool that Jesus had.
Your hatred for Jesus Our God is readily apparent in your post. Once you know Him, you will love Him. I am praying for your conversion to Christ Jesus and this His Church that He died to establish for the sake of your own salvation which you are free to accept or reject.
 
I’ve purchased a copy but I’ve read only parts. Moreover, my reading has been and continues to be sporadic.

That’s alright though. You are learning and I’m sure you find the Topical Index helpful when you want to explore a specific topic. You could set yourself a little goal of reading at least once a week on a Topic of your current interest.

I haven’t found anything within it that I dislike. It explains Catholic doctrine and as I’m currently inquiring into Catholicism it’s just what I needed (to quote The Cars). I like the clarity and I’m impressed with the comprehensiveness.

That’s good. It’s always best to get what a particular religion believes directly from that religion.

I suppose it would be fair to say that the Catholic Church leads the field in Christendom with regard to making its teachings known. If Orthodoxy is in fact the best kept secret in America, as one its bishops has apparently declared, perhaps that wouldn’t be the case if the Orthodox Church followed the example of the Catholic Church and published a Catechism of the Orthodox Church making details of Orthodox belief available not only to Americans but also to anybody and everybody all across the mortal coil.

Coming from an Orthodox background, I agree, it would be nice. The problem with it, from my own experience with Orthodoxy, is that the Orthodox Churches do not agree with each other on many issues - like which Churches can be considered Orthodox, some Orthodox Churches do not accept the OCA Church as Orthodox. Even within the Greek Orthodox Church there is disagreement on whether or not a Non-Orthodox Baptism is to be accepted - for example I was Baptized in the Baptist Church, when I converted to the Catholic Church, that Baptism was accepted, when I converted to the Greek Orthodox Church it was accepted because the Catholic Church accepted it yet each Greek Orthodox Monastery I visited (3 in 3 different states) did not accept my Baptism nor my Greek Orthodox Confirmation and I was not able to receive Holy Eucharist until I was Baptized and Confirmed by one of the Greek Orthodox Monasteries. These are basic issues: which Churches are actually Orthodox and whether or not a Baptism is or is not valid. Yet these, among many, many other things, are up for debate within the Orthodox Church Communities, so until the Churches come together on their beliefs, there is NO “remote possibility” for any of the Orthodox Churches to come up with their own Catechism.

But for Protestants no similar publication is remotely possible. The arguing would begin and end with how to word the title. There would be objections from some about using the term “Protestant Church” on the grounds that Protestantism isn’t a church but a movement. There would be objections from others on the grounds that the word “Protestant” doesn’t adequately cover the diversity of beliefs that have evolved since the Reformation. And there would definitely be major objections from the Evangelical camp if the word “Bible” were not included. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, if nothing else, reflects the visible unity of the Catholic Church.

I agree, Protestants also can not come up with a joint document of beliefs because they are scattered theologically among themselves.

Ecumenically,
Mick
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I read a good part of it ten years or so ago. It sits on my bookshelf as a reference when I have a question about Catholic beliefs.

Great use of the CCC!

I like it as a very accessible source of information.

Me too!

While I don’t agree with all of Catholic doctrine, I wouldn’t say that I “dislike” what I read.

You are not Catholic, so there would be doctrines you wouldn’t agree with. That is completely reasonable.

I have a follow up question for you. Does anything you’ve read in the CCC changed your view on any particular issue? If so, what was it?
 
I have a follow up question for you. Does anything you’ve read in the CCC changed your view on any particular issue? If so, what was it?
I can’t speak to any particular issue. However, reading the CCC was part of a process that brought me out of an anti-Catholic upbringing and into being an ecumenist as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. Another, and earlier, part of that process was sending our daughters to the local parochial school, something that my wife suggested and I went along with, although initially with great reservations. The fact that our daughters received a good Christian education was a positive.

During my seminary education which began in 1999, I took a number of classes in Catholic seminaries and treasure the experiences I had in that context. Ten or fifteen years earlier, I wouldn’t have considered doing that.

I will continue to learn about Catholicism by reading, by participating in discussions here on CA, and in other ways. I particularly enjoy watching Fr. Benedict Groeschel on ETWN.

As far as where this might lead, I am a life-long Lutheran, I’m sixty-five years old, and I was ordained three years ago. A present, I expect to remain a Lutheran unless the Holy Spirit springs a big surprise on me.
 
I have begun to read it. In my opinion it is quite well written. A feature I especially like is the scripture references. I read the passages from the Catechism and then write down the scripture reference that accompanies it. It is also well done in terms of a subject index.
I might mention in addition to the above that I am reading Jesus of Nazareth by Joseph Ratzinger. Excellent and intelligent exposition. I challenge non Catholics to read both.

PS Cardinal Ratzinger is a very…very good writer.
 
I might mention in addition to the above that I am reading Jesus of Nazareth by Joseph Ratzinger. Excellent and intelligent exposition. I challenge non Catholics to read both.

PS Cardinal Ratzinger is a very…very good writer.
Agreed. Jesus of Nazareth is on my bedside table and I am finding it an excellent read.
 
There truly is no reason, besides personal preference, to read any other Catechism besides the CCC as all others will fall short because they will be limited to a certain people or limited to a particular Rite.
The Baltimore Catechism is actually a very useful teaching tool today. Many of the approved text books for young children fall short of substance. The Baltimore Catechism can be used to supplement. It is avaliable for different levels where as the CCC is written for adults.
 
I’m very surprised that you found it poorly written as all of the Bishops by the guidance of the Holy Spirit who wrote the Catechism of the Catholic Church each had on average of 10 or more years of Post High School education!
As one with two graduate degrees and who has spent much of his adult life working in university settings, believe me on this: Advanced education is no guarantee of writing ability!
Any other Catholic Catechism written is required to be based off of it per the Magisterium of the Church.
I could be wrong, but while the Catechism was meant as a resource for catechists at the local and provincial level, I don’t think catechists are *required *to use it. That said, I think it’s an outstanding piece of work, and catechists would be foolish not to use it!

Hardon’s book, BTW, is very good. I bought it very early on in my journey into the Catholic Church.

Steve
 
I can’t speak to any particular issue. However, reading the CCC was part of a process that brought me out of an anti-Catholic upbringing and into being an ecumenist as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. Another, and earlier, part of that process was sending our daughters to the local parochial school, something that my wife suggested and I went along with, although initially with great reservations. The fact that our daughters received a good Christian education was a positive.

During my seminary education which began in 1999, I took a number of classes in Catholic seminaries and treasure the experiences I had in that context. Ten or fifteen years earlier, I wouldn’t have considered doing that.

I will continue to learn about Catholicism by reading, by participating in discussions here on CA, and in other ways. I particularly enjoy watching Fr. Benedict Groeschel on ETWN.

As far as where this might lead, I am a life-long Lutheran, I’m sixty-five years old, and I was ordained three years ago. A present, I expect to remain a Lutheran unless the Holy Spirit springs a big surprise on me.
It’s a hard step to let go of the Anti-Catholic education ingrained into you as a child. I was raised that way too. That is a great thing that your children’s education and your reading of the CCC brought you!

Have you ever visited a Mass of the Roman Rite Catholic Church or a Divine Liturgy of one of the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches? If so, what were your thoughts and impressions? How did they differ from what you’ve grown accustom to with the Lutheran Church?

I like Fr. Benedict Groeschel, but it always amazes me how a life-long New Yorker can speak so very slowly 😃

God is full of surprises!
 
I could be wrong, but while the Catechism was meant as a resource for catechists at the local and provincial level, I don’t think catechists are *required *to use it.
The CCC Paragraph 11: “…It is intended to serve “as a point of reference for the catechisms or compendia that are composed in the various countries.””
 
Have you ever visited a Mass of the Roman Rite Catholic Church or a Divine Liturgy of one of the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches? If so, what were your thoughts and impressions? How did they differ from what you’ve grown accustom to with the Lutheran Church?
I have been to Catholic masses – usually in conjunction with weddings or funerals. However, my introduction to the Mass came in a music history course. We were studying the Mass as a musical form and I was reading an LP album cover which had the Latin text and an English translation. As I read down through the Kyrie, the Gloria Patri, the Gloria, the Sanctus, and the Agnus Dei. I was rather surprised to find that the translations of the texts were identical to what I experienced in our Lutheran worship. (I really didn’t know much about Catholic worship back in those days.) Even today, some of the liturgical music we use is virtually the same as I have heard in the Catholic Mass.

I have never been to an Easter Rite Catholic mass although I have had the opportunity to attend an Orthodox Easter service which was quite interesting (and filled with incense).
 
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