Have Muslims misinterpreted much of their quran or

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at the same time, this private revelation was ordered to be preached publically and shared with the nations; allows believers to fight and kill their enemies; denies Jesus’ divinity, Sonship, and death and resurrection; brings a new book into the world (the Quran) even after the revelation of the Living Word, Jesus Christ, etc.

Mohammad may have been a sincere and pious man, with strong values, who really believed that these messages were from God. many world faiths are monotheistic, and claim to worship the “one true god” who made the universe and all men. Sikhism, the Baha’i Faith, Islam, Hinduism, etc.

yet if these gods do not want us to know, surrender to, and follow the Lord Jesus Christ, if these gods do not point us to Christ as the only Saviour, are they truly God? because we know that there is One God, and one mediator between man and God, the Man Jesus Christ. God will point us to His holy Son, if God He is, through whom He came down to save us.
 
Hi Grace,

Thank you, yes Muhammed was ordered to do so…

Public revelation is different than private revelation…As Muhammed followed the fullness of public revelation found in Jesus Christ…it is private, even his directive to go to war…meaning it is subjected to higher authorities as to what is for the good of the church or not…
 
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091224/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq_unmerry_christmas

Aren’t Muslims lucky to be able to celebrate their feasts in western countries…pretty much unfettered. I have inserted the red wording.

BAGHDAD – Christmas is bumping into Shiite Islam’s most mournful ceremony this year, forcing Iraqi Christians to keep their celebrations under tighter wraps than usual.
Midnight Mass will again be celebrated in daylight across Baghdad, and security around churches is heavier for a community that’s been threatened by sectarian violence since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. A deadly Christmas Eve ambush of a Christian bus driver Thursday and a bombing earlier this week targeting a 1,200-year-old church, both in Mosul, underscored their concerns.
But this year, Christians feeling an extra need for caution are toning down the Christmas glitz, and the plastic Santas aren’t selling as well as usual. At least one Catholic archbishop has discouraged Christmas decorations and public merrymaking out of respect for Ashoura, a period of Shiite mourning and self-flagellation.
“We used to put the Christmas tree with its bright lights close to the window in the entrance of our home,” said Saad Matti, a 51-year-old surgeon and Basra city councilman.
“But this year, we put it away from the window as a kind of respect (FEAR?) for the feelings of Shiite Muslims in our neighborhood because of Ashoura,” he said.
Ashoura caps a 10-day period of self-flagellation and mourning for the Prophet Muhammad’s grandson, Imam Hussein, killed in 680 A.D. during a battle that sealed the split between Shiites and Sunnis.
During the 10 days, throngs of Shiite pilgrims march to the holy Iraqi city of Karbala, 80 kilometers (50 miles) south of Baghdad. The lunar Islamic calendar varies against the West’s, and this year Ashoura happens to climax on Dec. 27.
Shiites are the majority of Iraq’s 28.9 million people and now dominate the country politically, giving other sects more reason to accommodate them.
Few weddings are held during Ashoura, and any business associated with beauty — flower shops, jewelry stores, photography studios — loses money.
“No weddings, no work,” Nijood Hassan, a Sunni, complained at her flower shop central Baghdad. “Why do they have to do this?”
But the compulsion to preserve an outward appearance of harmony is strong. Hassan’s sister, Nadia, quickly interjected: “There is no sectarian division any more, and we have no objection whatsoever about that.”
The archbishop of the southern Shiite-dominated city of Basra, Imad al-Banna, called on Christians “to respect the feelings (HUH???)of Muslims during Ashoura and not hold the public celebrations during Christmas. … to hold Mass in the church only and not receive guests or show joyful appearances.”
Some 1.25 million Christians, 80 percent of them Catholic, used to live in Iraq. An exodus that began after the 1991 Gulf War, when Saddam Hussein imposed more Islamic policies, intensified after 2003, when Christians became targets of sectarian violence, and some 868,000 are left.
Iraq’s top Catholic prelate, Chaldean Cardinal Emmanuel III Delly, said he used to hold Mass at midnight on Christmas Eve but in recent years switched the services to daylight hours, when the streets are safer. He said he was unaware of the Basra priest’s Ashoura edict.
“We will do our religious rituals as usual and on its dates, and our Muslim brothers will feel happy that each one has his own dear religion,” Delly told The Associated Press.

The Defense Ministry said patrols will be stepped up around churches, Christian neighborhoods and places of celebration, mostly in Baghdad, Mosul and Kirkuk. That didn’t stop unidentified gunmen from ambushing a Christian man in Mosul on Thursday, shooting him after pulling him from the bus he was driving in Mosul, police said. It was not clear if the attack was religiously based.

The added security also didn’t deter Mosul bombers from attacking the Mar Toma Church, or the Church of St. Thomas, on Wednesday with an explosive hidden in an abandoned cart a few yards away. Two Muslim passers-by were killed, police said.
Christians aren’t the only imperiled worshippers. Two dozen Shiite pilgrims preparing for Ashoura rituals were killed over the last two days in bombings in Baghdad and Hillah, about 60 miles (95 kilometers) to the south. Earlier this week, in Baqouba, two Shiites were gunned down while leaving a mosque where they had been flogging themselves for Ashoura. It was not known if they were targeted because of their beliefs.
Adnan al-Sudani, a cleric in the Shiite-dominated Sadr City neighborhood of Baghdad, said Christmas generates no ill will among his followers.
“We as Shiites respect Christian occasions and share their happiness in our hearts,” he said.
Shiite shop owner Ali Qassim wished more people would have themselves a very merry Christmas. His electronics shop, in the mixed Muslim-Christian neighborhood of Karrada, is packed with artificial pine trees and cherry-cheeked faces of plastic Santas, called Baba Noel in Arabic.
But few were sold.
“Nothing is in the streets. Nothing is in the shops,” said Qassim, looking out on the bustling midday traffic. "In the past, fashion stores used to put up Baba Noel and a tree in front of the shop. But out of respect (FEAR?), many families will not celebrate because of the Ashoura and to sympathize.
“I miss it.”
 
For KathleenGee and Grace_Singh and spn, and to all on this forum, for today, from me, it is:

M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S.

Thank you for your posts.
 
God bless you, Planten, and make the Infant Jesus and all His purity and new life become yours today…
Kathleen
 
Thanks for complaining. WE still cannot understand your point. Jesus did not have any angel walking with him telling every that he was God. Nobody saw anything unusual with Jesus. It was his words of mouth, good advisory teachings, lectures. There was no voice from the sky (except pehaps once) that jesus was the son of God, or he was God.
**If the people worshipping Jesus thought Him merely a man Jesus would have corrected them. Jesus would have to guard against anyone not truly understanding HIS nature/substance of being one with GOD. When the man runs up to Jesus and falls on his knees. To this man Jesus is simply a human teacher:

Mark 10
17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”

Matthew 2:2
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Matthew 2:11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

Matthew 8:2
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Matthew 9:18
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

Matthew 20:20
Then came to him the mother of Zebedee’s children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.

Matthew 28:9
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Matthew 28:17
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Luke 24:52
And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

John 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

John 14
7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 10
30I and the Father are one.”

I have read that the word used for one here did not mean of one accord or like minded, but one as in one true GOD.

Matthew 27
43He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’ "**
The christians allow that angels visit their people, Mary, Joseph the carpentar etc. But when it comes to Muhammad, they say “No.” Angel cannot come to Muhammad. There is nothing special with Jesus which was not with Muhammad. The story of the success of Muhammad is very clear. There is nothing with Christians except some accusations against Muhammad.
**When an Angel from GOD came upon people in the Bible there is always an outside event, witness collaborating the event. Joseph had a dream when the Angel visited Mary. Moses was given miraclous signs.

Gabriel was always comforting when he approached mankind, he never treated anyone the way he treated Mohammad. Mohammad’s angel was not Gabriel of the Holy Bible.**
We see many prophets (messengers) had come to the children of Israel. Perhaps the christians do not believe that any came there. If messengers can come to the children of Israel then why messenger cannot come to Arabs? or to other nations??
After Jesus there is no need for another other then the comforter-Holy Spirit.
On the side of the Christians is a total denial of grant of any Grace to Muhammad. On the side of the muslims is a total denial of the divinity of Jesus and a total denial of his death on the cross. When Jesus did not die on the cross then there was no resurrection.
**If Muslims have in fact misunderstood and wrongly translated the Quran with no vowel points from a syiac-aramaic text then it is very possible that Mohammad might be considered a teacher-but then he turned violent and greedy which in no way follows the teachings of Jesus.

It is very possible the Quran was compiled and some of the companions copied down the verses incorrectly. What if the correct Quran was burned by Uthmann?**
 
SPN,

I have written my diocese a few years ago to show greater recognition and support for the Christians suffering so much under the Shites et all over there. The Palestinian Christians are being compelled to leave after 2,000 years.

A son of a Hamas leader became Christian. He said this form of Islam would implode within itself in 10 years.

I am wondering, as this spirit has been going on over there for thousands of years, and with the fact the world is getting so small now because of internet, that we are all crying out to God to stop this evil…and the Jews are returning to Israel…that

Maybe we are approaching the apex of evil…it is getting higher and greater every day, they will soon have dirty nuke bombs…last night the Holy Father was knocked down but he got up in all his fraility and continued on…that the Lord’s hand is coming to save us from those who are destroying the earth.

The more we are one and in love and respect for the One True God, I hope this unity and prayers will lessen the damage The Destroyer intends to do…destroy the Lord’s creation, people and nature.

Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus, Come O Emmanuel!
 
Schraik,

Thank you for all your hard work. Planten and Hamas should really read it and take it to heart for our sakes atleast.
 
Everyone needs to google “Remembering Lepanto and the Power of the Rosary”…it is by Elizabeth Lev. We need to read it and get started…asap. I don’t know what Moslems misunderstand or understand about their Quran…but I know I am Catholic and all Catholic’s need to understand their faith and read this article and start Rosary groups all over the world. Pray the life of Christ on your rosary…it is so powerful and has a huge impact on the spiritual warfare going on out there. We can do this…we are Catholic and we have an enormous prayer group out there in the universe called the communion of the saints…they are waiting for us to get started!
 
Totally, totally agree.

And we now have in place a Neo-Marxist government…

The rosary and penance is most powerful…and with the Muslims it is good to receive the Eucharist, prayerfully read the bible, monthly confession…

Praying the rosary caused the communists to leave Brazil and Austria…but with Islam, much more work…

We have to be more sanctified ourselves.
 
Can you share some examples of doing penance? I just came back to the Catholic Church about four years ago and don’t remember everything I learned many years ago. I would like to start doing that. Thanks, Jewells.
 
Yes-Pray for Muslim people.

You’re welcome Kathleen_Gee!

“I haven’t read Anis Shorrosh’s book, but judging from the content of the opening post it’s not a book anyone should be trusting if they want to understand the Qur’an. His ‘literal’ translation of 4:171 is nothing but a deliberate distortion.”

The literal translation is from the root words of semitic languages. I met a Muslims on one of the forums I visited that was studying the Quran through the root words. As you may or may not know that without the vowel points the quran could be translated much more easily into syriac-aramaic then arabic. This Muslim seaking the turth lead me to the site: yaqb.org/ As a Muslim using the root words he believed that the Quran says GOD had thrown HIS WORD away into MARY and that Jesus is GOD’s WORD incarnate.

In another chapter it says
21.91 And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Good read:
**Who is the Holy Spirit in Islam? **
safne.com/azali11.htm
 
Yes-Pray for Muslim people.

You’re welcome Kathleen_Gee!

“I haven’t read Anis Shorrosh’s book, but judging from the content of the opening post it’s not a book anyone should be trusting if they want to understand the Qur’an. His ‘literal’ translation of 4:171 is nothing but a deliberate distortion.”

The literal translation is from the root words of semitic languages. I met a Muslims on one of the forums I visited that was studying the Quran through the root words. As you may or may not know that without the vowel points the quran could be translated much more easily into syriac-aramaic then arabic. This Muslim seaking the turth lead me to the site: yaqb.org/ As a Muslim using the root words he believed that the Quran says GOD had thrown HIS WORD away into MARY and that Jesus is GOD’s WORD incarnate.

In another chapter it says
21.91 And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Good read:
**Who is the Holy Spirit in Islam? **
safne.com/azali11.htm
Hi there Schaick

What is your religion?
 
A simple and good form for penance in today’s hectic world, is to simply offer up your day at the beginning to do all for the love of Christ and to unite yourself to the Mass and pray for the intentions of the Holy Father and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and the conversions of sinners.
 
Yes, very good words and wishes.

Here is a list of some religious beliefs (words too) in which the Muslim leaders have misinterpretted the real teachings of Islam.
  1. Every non-Believer is a Kafir.
  2. All non-believers are bound for hell.
  3. All Adulterers must be stoned to death.
  4. Apostates must be killed. (i.e. only those who leave Islam.)
  5. God does not talk to any one now. The Wahi is discontinued.
  6. Jesus (son of Mary) is alive in heavens.
  7. Jesus (son of Mary) will himself come in the world to correct all matters.
  8. All Muslims should fight the non-believers until they become Muslims.
  9. Jihaad with sword is a duty of all Muslims even today.
  10. It is alright to convert non-believers by force.
  11. Non-Muslims can be converted by any means.
  12. Muslims cannot convert to other faiths. If they do, they must be killed.
  13. It is duty of Muslims to preach Islam in all countries.
  14. Non-Muslims cannot preach anything in Muslim countries.
  15. Churches, temples and synagogues are not required in Muslim lands.
  16. Understanding that every non-believer (even peaceful one) is a Kafir.
  17. Denying the peaceful propagation of other faiths in Muslim lands.
  18. Disallowing meetings, sittings with people of other faiths.
  19. Not giving importance to pure love for all mankind. Ignoring human values.
  20. Embarking hatred for other faith people and supporting hypocracy.
There are quite a few more important points that I may have missed. I wish and pray to Allah that Muslims think over the above problems and try to follow whatever seems to be right path and to shun whatever is wrong belief. That would reduce some of the problems faced by the present day world.
 
Planten,

Thank you for your post…and this is what people in the world are now recognizing … the internet has made time and history available…you can read some many different positions on a single subject…as well as find out more things that are not written in one’s government education school books…if you know what I mean here…

I think God is allowing this all to happen…the world is infected with hate and violence and greed…and the infection is coming to a head to be lanced by His justice.

I believe after this correction, the world will be purified, and people will be at peace with one another. I can see so clearly now why lying about other people and denying their dignity can cause a reaction of violence…but God sees it in a far greater way and He will not be mocked much longer…10 years? 20 years ? It is better to pray constantly and acknowledge God’s presence, He sees us all the time, and for us … to keep recalling that in our faith tradition Jesus stands before the heart of every human being…even those who do evil to us…and endure in this vision to the end of our lives…this is martyrdom…a dry martyrdom for those who do not shed blood…

I know people who are carrying tremendous family crosses, or physical diseases and ailments, rejection…and are offering this up as their cross to Jesus and for conversion of mankind to God.
 
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