Have you Ever Walked-Out of Mass

[Mysty101]

tractarian:

I voted yes, unfortunately. What did it for me was the sermon. The priest said something to the effect of “The Vatican says there will never be women priests. Well, I’m sure many of those old [this priest was pushing 70 fwi] cardinals once said there’d never be alter girls, so we’ll just see won’t we?!” and this was met with *roaring *applause from the congregation. I didn’t feel comfortable—heck, i felt sorta like they might lynch me at any moment had they known i was on the side of “those cardinals.” So at the offertory i simply picked up my jacket and left, and made it to a Sunday evening Mass elsewhere. I never returned to that parish again.

This is an example of a valid complaint, with a good solution. No sarcasm or ridicule and mentioning that the Sunday obligation was met.

 

[netmilsmom]

Leeta:

Yes, I have when the first altar girls served a Mass I attended. I went to another Mass without altar girls. After that we started attending the Old Mass.
the local wacky parishes - Star Wars soundtrack. For the entrance and exit, the altar boys could carry light sabers and at the offertory, the music from the bar scene. I can just see it now … I’m sure it’s already been used at some German parish in an effort to be “with it”.

Did you start attending a TLM? Or find an NO with a less “wacky” flair?

Your son is funny! It’s something I could see happening in my old parish.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Friends,

I’ve never experienced the abuses you have shared. Nevertheless, one might be more sympathetic to people who leave these kinds of Churches for a TLM, Orthodoxy, or even for Protestantism. How are these abuses any better than a Protestant Church? I would say a TLM or Orhodoxy is as much a true Church as any but even a Protestant Church can’t be any worse than these abusive Churches, I should think.

Dan L

 

[netmilsmom]

GregoryPalamas:

Friends,

I’ve never experienced the abuses you have shared. Nevertheless, one might be more sympathetic to people who leave these kinds of Churches for a TLM, Orthodoxy, or even for Protestantism. How are these abuses any better than a Protestant Church? I would say a TLM or Orhodoxy is as much a true Church as any but even a Protestant Church can’t be any worse than these abusive Churches, I should think.

Dan L

Amen my Friend!
I put my youngest daughter into a Lutheran Preschool because it was the best around. I was required to attend one service per week because of it.
When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

Pitifully, the changes happen slowly so no one notices until they are full blown.
It took five years to go from the “Football Catch” orans position, to holding hands and lifting them to heaven for the Our Father at that parish. People were uncomfortable with it, but had no clue why. They were just beginning the “scooping”, when I escaped.

If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.

 

[Fergal]

No.

To walk out of Mass would be like storming off from Calvary in anger just because the guards were laughing and jeering at the grusome spectacle or because some there were taunting and jeering Christ as he hung on the Cross.

In both circumstances the central element has remained unchanged and very real.

It is possible the death of Christ on the first Good Friday was lost on a lot of folk who were there because of all the side attractions on Calvary.
It is possible today that the central element of the Mass is lost on many because of their preoccupation with side attractions. Look deeply into the Mass and realise that the central element has remained unchanged for over 2000 years.

Either way if you get distracted away from the central element of truth then you miss out on the mystery of the whole thing.

 

[Howard_Liviskie]

I voted no ,I have been luckly to have never seen anything like some of these things.BUT if I were to see these things I would have a huge problem with them and knowing my temper I might lose it.So I pray I never have to go through what some of you folks have.You are better people then I,because some of these stories make me want to kick somebodies rear end. I will pray that The Holy Father cleans these people out.

 

[surfinpure]

Fergal:

It is possible the death of Christ on the first Good Friday was lost on a lot of folk who were there because of all the side attractions on Calvary.
It is possible today that the central element of the Mass is lost on many because of their preoccupation with side attractions.

Which of the aforementioned heretical practices in this thread would you consider a side attraction? A Lutheran “priestess” giving the homily? Changing the wording of the Gospel so that younger kids find it more digestible? Or perhaps the priest telling the entire congregation to be seated during the Credo?

 

[Mysty101]

surf(name removed by moderator)ure:

Which of the aforementioned heretical practices in this thread would you consider a side attraction? A Lutheran “priestess” giving the homily? Changing the wording of the Gospel so that younger kids find it more digestible? Or perhaps the priest telling the entire congregation to be seated during the Credo?

I am not 100% sure, but I don’t think any of these invalidate the consecration or make it illicit.

And regarding complaints about music
For the entrance, offeratory & communion there are 4 options

1. The singing at this time is done either alternately by the choir and the people or in a similar way by the cantor and the people, or entirely by the people, or by the choir alone. In the dioceses of the United States of America there are four options for the Entrance Chant: (1) the antiphon from the Roman Missal or the Psalm from the Roman Gradual as set to music there or in another musical setting; (2) the seasonal antiphon and Psalm of the Simple Gradual; (3) a song from another collection of psalms and antiphons, approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop, including psalms arranged in responsorial or metrical forms; (4) a suitable liturgical song similarly approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop.55

This leaves the options wide open, and if you don’t like it, there is not much you can do about it, but do not sin against anger or charity because of an option you do not like.

Wouldn’t it be far more productive for yourself to accept the test, and remain at the Mass, and question the celebrant after Mass, either at that point, sometime later, or perhaps with a letter? And follow up with a letter to the Bishop, or the Vatican, if the abuses continue?

RS did give us this process, and also told us to to address any abuses with charity, not sarcasm and redicule.

1. Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.290 It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop**. **This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

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Two wrongs never make a right.

 

[msproule]

Mysty101:

I am not 100% sure, but I don’t think any of these invalidate the consecration or make it illicit.

While the Consecration is still valid, these things are certainly illicit.

 

[PJR]

I think there are a few more abuses going on in a Lutheran ‘service’, than even the most Charismatic Mass. Rigid posture and pious appearances and good intentions do not a Eucharist make.

It’s not supposed to just be about how we look. I think it would be an injustice to accuse those who worship with their hands elevated to heaven as being un-pious. Most of the people I know who worship this way are anything but. I find it to be a valid expression of devotion to Christ, just as it would be to fall to your knees in adoration. Different posture, same piety. IMO.

I am not a charismatic. But, I know that JP II gave the movement his blessing. There is a very devout group in my diocese and the masses I have attended are quite moving and I have seen no abuses whatsoever. The youth groups who try to imitate the idea and make it a concert sometimes go a little over the top. That is not what the charismatic group is about.

If serious abuses are going on then I really believe they should be addressed by the priests and the bishop. But some of the practices that have been called abusive and illicit are not, and neither is an indult TLM. Different postures, same piety. IMO.
netmil(name removed by moderator):

Amen my Friend!
I put my youngest daughter into a Lutheran Preschool because it was the best around. I was required to attend one service per week because of it.
When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

Pitifully, the changes happen slowly so no one notices until they are full blown.
It took five years to go from the “Football Catch” orans position, to holding hands and lifting them to heaven for the Our Father at that parish. People were uncomfortable with it, but had no clue why. They were just beginning the “scooping”, when I escaped.

If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.

 

[Mysty101]

The Protestants are the heretics, but some believe that it is better to be in a heretical service that appeals more to their eye, and opinion, than a legitimate Catholic Mass which is not celebrated as they have decided it should be.

Very Sad.

 

[msproule]

Mysty101:

…some believe that it is better to be in a heretical service that appeals more to their eye, and opinion, than a legitimate Catholic Mass which is not celebrated as they have decided it should be.

Very Sad.

Sad, indeed (if somebody had actually written what you suggest). I might have missed it, but who are the “some” to which you refer? I can certainly understand it if you mean non-Catholics…

 

[Mysty101]

If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.

Understandable??? I wonder how understandable it will be on judgement day—very very sad

 

[surfinpure]

Mysty101:

The Protestants are the heretics, but some believe that it is better to be in a heretical service that appeals more to their eye, and opinion, than a legitimate Catholic Mass which is not celebrated as they have decided it should be.

Very Sad.

Thus far none of us posting are Catholics leaving the Mass for a more entertaining Protestant service. I don’t see where this fits in.

 

[Mysty101]

Are you trying to be difficult???

I find it very hard to believe you did not see this, or do you just sound off without reading the posts???

Originally Posted by netmil(name removed by moderator)
*Amen my Friend!
I put my youngest daughter into a Lutheran Preschool because it was the best around. I was required to attend one service per week because of it.
When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

Pitifully, the changes happen slowly so no one notices until they are full blown.
It took five years to go from the “Football Catch” orans position, to holding hands and lifting them to heaven for the Our Father at that parish. People were uncomfortable with it, but had no clue why. They were just beginning the “scooping”, when I escaped.

If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable.* If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.

 

[Mysty101]

PS*

I put my youngest daughter into a Lutheran Preschool because it was the best around. I was required to attend one service per week because of it.

Best around? and you were required to attend a service? And you do not think they are teaching Protestant religion to the children?? Is this also a “Deep Catholic” idea???

But you redicule the orans position???

(and what will you do if they teach your child to hold hands during the Lord’s Prayer???)

 

[surfinpure]

Mysty101:

PS
Best around? and you were required to attend a service? And you do not think they are teaching Protestant religion to the children?? Is this also a “Deep Catholic” idea???

But you redicule the orans position???

(and what will you do if they teach your child to hold hands during the Lord’s Prayer???)

I would ask that you please consider taking a more charitable tone. You may not realize it, but this sounds quite combative.

Thank you,

Mary

 

[pnewton]

surf(name removed by moderator)ure:

I would ask that you please consider taking a more charitable tone. You may not realize it, but this sounds quite combative.

Thank you,

Mary

Wher charity and love prevail, etc.

 

[Mysty101]

Mysty101:

PS
Best around? and you were required to attend a service? And you do not think they are teaching Protestant religion to the children?? Is this also a “Deep Catholic” idea???

But you redicule the orans position???

(and what will you do if they teach your child to hold hands during the Lord’s Prayer???)

Well it certainly is meant to question certain actions. I am stating the facts. N has ridiculed a legitimate prayer posture, and certain other legitimate Catholic options, yet she will send her child to a non-Catholic pre-school, which in of itself may be OK (although I personally would not consider it), but I would definitely not think in in keeping with Catholic teaching to send a child to a non-Catholic institute of learning which would require you to attend a non-catholic service.

Just look at this statement
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*It took five years to go from the “Football Catch” orans position, to holding hands and lifting them to heaven for the Our Father at that parish. People were uncomfortable with it, but had no clue why. They were just beginning the “scooping”, when I escaped.
*

She is so worried where the “orans” position could lead but says
*
When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.

Where has attending a non-catholic service led? She understands someone leaving Mass to attend one.*

 

[Mysty101]

PS I sent my chilren to an excellant Catholic academy to which many non-Catholics applied. If they were accepted, the parents or children were never required to participate in Catholic Mass or service.