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Cat
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walking_home, when I play the piano, I am MOVING my arms and hands, not leaving them still.
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Cat
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Pray tell, what exactly is “low Christology?”
I would prefer an explanation from either the Bible or the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or the Code of Canon Law, or some other document that the Church recognizes as authoritative. Thank you.
I would prefer an explanation from either the Bible or the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or the Code of Canon Law, or some other document that the Church recognizes as authoritative. Thank you.
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Cat
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No one has yet answered my question about the “correct liturgical posture” at Mass.
This topic has raised a lot of questions in my mind.
BTW, can someone post the link to the documentation about “correct body positions” during Mass, especially the paragraph that deals with draping the arm across the back of the pew? Thank you.
Hey, this feels like the old days, back when I was evangelical Protestant and there was an unwritten list of rules to follow! Except in the Catholic Church, that list of rules is written down–I’m looking foward to seeing the list of written rules that answers all my questions above.
This topic has raised a lot of questions in my mind.
- Is it permissible for a woman to cross her legs if she is wearing a skirt? Wouldn’t this position be provocative?
- Is it permissible for a man to sit with his legs spread apart? Wouldn’t this position be suggestive?
- Is it permissible to slump down in the pew so that your back is not straight against the back of the pew? Would this be disrespectful?
- Is it permissible to turn the head away from the altar and Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament?
- When walking forward to receive Communion, is it permissible to hold the head up straight? Or should the head be bowed? Obviously the eyes can’t be closed, but are we allowed to look ahead of us so we don’t accidently stumble into someone?
- When I had my cast, is it permissible to prop it on the pew? (Please answer this quickly–I did so for several weeks, and I need to know if I should go to Reconciliation and confess this.)
- Is is OK to slump the shoulders during Mass?
- Is it OK to sit with arms crossed? Does this indicate an arrogant or “challenging” attitude toward the altar and toward Father?
- During the hymns, is it OK to tap the rhythm with a foot on hand or is that considered “dancing?” Is it OK to sing with the mouth fully open? Is it OK to take a deep, full breath that expands the abdomen?
- Is it OK for a woman or teenaged girl to stand up straight if it makes her breasts stand out? Should only small-busted women stand up straight?
- Is it OK for me to wear a shirt that…ahem…shows my nipples when they get cold? Should I tape over them? I can’t wear a sweater because I get so hot–or should I wear the sweater to hide my erect nipples and possibly sweat? Would the sweat be considered disrespectful?
- Is it OK to put your butt on the pew during the kneeling? (I see a lot of this, although I don’t do it. I think it’s lazy, unless someone has a health condition that makes it impossible to kneel, but most of the people I see doing this are teenagers or fat people.)
- This is a question that has bothered me for a long time. If someone has a growling stomach–happens ALL the time in Adoration Chapel, as I try to concentrate on the Lord and the person next to me sounds like a concrete mixer–should that person leave the Mass and not return to a Mass until their stomach is not growling? Or do I have it wrong?–does the growling stomach PROVE that a person truly adhered to the fast before Mass? Should I have a growling stomach?
- Is it disrespectful to wear makeup? Or is it just the opposite–disrepectful to NOT wear makeup?
BTW, can someone post the link to the documentation about “correct body positions” during Mass, especially the paragraph that deals with draping the arm across the back of the pew? Thank you.
Hey, this feels like the old days, back when I was evangelical Protestant and there was an unwritten list of rules to follow! Except in the Catholic Church, that list of rules is written down–I’m looking foward to seeing the list of written rules that answers all my questions above.
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LilyM
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We’re more than friends of God, we’re His sons and daughters by adoption. In my earthly father’s home I have a certain amount of freedom to behave as I please as long as I don’t go overboard. Dad certainly doesn’t mind me finding a comfortable if slightly unorthodox position to sit in when I so wish.
And I’m sure every President and King who’se ever lived has allowed their children the same freedoms around them. I remember seeing a beautiful photo of JFK in his office with John John playing under the desk while he worked. Should we not have that sort of loving ease with our Heavenly Father too? The one we call Abba (‘Daddy’)?
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puzzleannie
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now this is the one my death was death on, you did not dare slouch when he was in church with us. it is probably the one that caused the bishops to say that after communion one can stand, sit or kneel, but PICK ONE. don’t rag on us fat folks, in some churches we are lucky to be able to fit in the pews at all, some are worse than airline seats.
the guy in the picture is not even in a Catholic church --hat on, no kneelers, plain windows, whose been giving us a bad name?
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LilyM
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Amen to that my big-n-beautiful sister! :clapping:
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tigster
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I have to agree this is foolishness, come on we are all grown ups. Stop nit picking. We go to Mass to pay our respects. I never look around to pick on others , cause thats not why i’m there.
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beckers
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If you get a list then let me know. i still think we can slove all of these problems. With a few simple itmes.
Everyone is required to get a robe from the back.Men to the right and women to the left of the church. Old, Injuried and those with illness to the front and childern in the cry room. Each person will also be given a helmet that that translates the mass into Latin or whatever langauage you want. It will then play the type of music (contempary, chants, etc) you prefer and if you don’t like the NO mass it will have a flip down screen so you can see the latin Mass or change the priest into someone you prefer (liberal, conservates ideology). This should keep people from complaining. Well maybe not the gerbils.
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Annc
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Cat,
Your sarcasm is duly noted. And not at all helpful. I think that these are valid concerns and that both sides need to be kind. People are genuinely offended by certain dress, behaviour and posture. You just continue the offense with responses such as this. Maybe they could lighten up if they see you as you really are, and maybe you could appreciate and value them.
The proper posture or behaviour is so obvious whether you are at Mass or not. You have to ask yourself, Am I being respectful? Am I dressed appropriately, modestly? Do I look attentive and interested? Am I attentive and interested? Am I a good example for others? If the answer is no, then change, if yes then move on.
BTW, a good padded bra would help. And I don’t care how big your breasts are but I would prefer a little less cleavage. Really, God gave them to us but I am not so sure we need to flash them in everyone’s face, at Mass or anywhere else.
Peace
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kage_ar
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Exactly! We are crammed in like sardines for Mass. Some will rest an arm on the pew behind family members (I do this, of course, my arms are very very short), but, there would never be room for one person to take up the space of 4 people as depicted in that photo!
It would be nice to have a bit of breathing room during Mass, but, guess overcrowding is a good problem to have!
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water
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Your long question should deserve some answer.
My answers are not for what one must do so that others don’t get bothered. Most people here think that when I post my question, they think it was bothering so much. As your advice from previous post, I too pray everytime someone does not something inside the church that they should not and I see it. Of course, I am good at closing my eyes and pray and ignore them.
However, my question on this thread is to raise some awareness who might be ignorant about where they are even when they are inside the church.
Imagine seeing a priest celebrating the mass sitting on his chair and his legs cross with his elbow lean on his knee.
I wish I could always look straight to the Blessed Sacrament.
Who shouldn’t be!
Your question 6 to 14. I don’t need to answer them. You know better than that.
God bless you and have a pleasant day, Cat.
My answers are not for what one must do so that others don’t get bothered. Most people here think that when I post my question, they think it was bothering so much. As your advice from previous post, I too pray everytime someone does not something inside the church that they should not and I see it. Of course, I am good at closing my eyes and pray and ignore them.
However, my question on this thread is to raise some awareness who might be ignorant about where they are even when they are inside the church.
It shouldn’t be and neither man should do that.
Imagine seeing a priest celebrating the mass sitting on his chair and his legs cross with his elbow lean on his knee.
I have my legs straight up as I was taught when I was an altar boy, and I keep it that way.
As long as you don’t do that throughout the mass.
I turn around when I need to shake hands with others. I turn my head when I listen to Pastor’s homily.
I wish I could always look straight to the Blessed Sacrament.
Who shouldn’t be!
It doesn’t matter. You don’t want to match like soldier, do you?
Cat, I have always liked how you respond to others’ posts.
Your question 6 to 14. I don’t need to answer them. You know better than that.
God bless you and have a pleasant day, Cat.
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water
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That is a great answer and suggestion, and I should keep that in mind for myself as well.
Thanks Annc.
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water
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I don’t think anyone has done that, but my main point of this is to say there are differences when you are at home and at church to one of the posters here who was responding to several replies of mine. We were talking about the comfortability level.
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TraditionalCath
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Hi Cat,
Okay, i will give this my best shot! i’ll try to answer each question you posed here.
he sits in a comfortable position. he is very modest.
i hope i have answered all of your questions reasonably.
Okay, i will give this my best shot! i’ll try to answer each question you posed here.
- Is it permissible for a woman to cross her legs if she is wearing a skirt? Wouldn’t this position be provocative?
- Is it permissible for a man to sit with his legs spread apart? Wouldn’t this position be suggestive?
he sits in a comfortable position. he is very modest.
- Is it permissible to slump down in the pew so that your back is not straight against the back of the pew? Would this be disrespectful?
- Is it permissible to turn the head away from the altar and Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament?
- When walking forward to receive Communion, is it permissible to hold the head up straight? Or should the head be bowed? Obviously the eyes can’t be closed, but are we allowed to look ahead of us so we don’t accidently stumble into someone?
- When I had my cast, is it permissible to prop it on the pew? (Please answer this quickly–I did so for several weeks, and I need to know if I should go to Reconciliation and confess this.)
- Is is OK to slump the shoulders during Mass?
- Is it OK to sit with arms crossed? Does this indicate an arrogant or “challenging” attitude toward the altar and toward Father?
- During the hymns, is it OK to tap the rhythm with a foot on hand or is that considered “dancing?” Is it OK to sing with the mouth fully open? Is it OK to take a deep, full breath that expands the abdomen?
- Is it OK for a woman or teenaged girl to stand up straight if it makes her breasts stand out? Should only small-busted women stand up straight?
- Is it OK for me to wear a shirt that…ahem…shows my nipples when they get cold? Should I tape over them? I can’t wear a sweater because I get so hot–or should I wear the sweater to hide my erect nipples and possibly sweat? Would the sweat be considered disrespectful?
- Is it OK to put your butt on the pew during the kneeling? (I see a lot of this, although I don’t do it. I think it’s lazy, unless someone has a health condition that makes it impossible to kneel, but most of the people I see doing this are teenagers or fat people.)
- This is a question that has bothered me for a long time. If someone has a growling stomach–happens ALL the time in Adoration Chapel, as I try to concentrate on the Lord and the person next to me sounds like a concrete mixer–should that person leave the Mass and not return to a Mass until their stomach is not growling? Or do I have it wrong?–does the growling stomach PROVE that a person truly adhered to the fast before Mass? Should I have a growling stomach?
- Is it disrespectful to wear makeup? Or is it just the opposite–disrepectful to NOT wear makeup?
i hope i have answered all of your questions reasonably.
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water
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Your long question should deserve some answer.
My answers are not for what one must do so that others don’t get bothered. Most people here think that when I post my question, they think it was bothering so much. As your advice from previous post, I too pray everytime someone does not something inside the church that they should not and I see it. Of course, I am good at closing my eyes and pray and ignore them.
However, my question on this thread is to raise some awareness who might be ignorant about where they are even when they are inside the church.
It shouldn’t be and neither man should do that.
Imagine seeing a priest celebrating the mass sitting on his chair and his legs cross with his elbow lean on his knee.
I have my legs straight up as I was taught when I was an altar boy, and I keep it that way.
As long as you don’t do that throughout the mass.
I turn around when I need to shake hands with others. I turn my head when I listen to Pastor’s homily.
I wish I could always look straight to the Blessed Sacrament.
Who shouldn’t be!
It doesn’t matter. You don’t want to match like soldier, do you?
Cat, I have always liked how you respond to others’ posts.
Your question 6 to 14. I don’t need to answer them.[edited: I shouldn’t have said you knew better than that, I apologized.] I let others answer.
God bless you and have a pleasant day, Cat.
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water
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Your long question should deserve some answer.
My answers are not for what one must do so that others don’t get bothered. Most people here think that when I post my question, they think it was bothering so much. As your advice from previous post, I too pray everytime someone does not something inside the church that they should not and I see it. Of course, I am good at closing my eyes and pray and ignore them.
However, my question on this thread is to raise some awareness who might be ignorant about where they are even when they are inside the church.
It shouldn’t be and neither man should do that.
Imagine seeing a priest celebrating the mass sitting on his chair and his legs cross with his elbow lean on his knee.
I have my legs straight up as I was taught when I was an altar boy, and I keep it that way.
As long as you don’t do that throughout the mass.
I turn around when I need to shake hands with others. I turn my head when I listen to Pastor’s homily.
I wish I could always look straight to the Blessed Sacrament.
Who shouldn’t be!
It doesn’t matter. You don’t want to match like soldier, do you?
Cat, I have always liked how you respond to others’ posts.
Your question 6 to 14. I don’t need to answer them.[edited: I shouldn’t have said you knew better than that, I apologized.] I let others answer.
God bless you and have a pleasant day, Cat.
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water
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[edited: I shouldn’t have said you knew better than that, I apologized.] TraditionalCath answered them well.
God bless .
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Alphonsus_John
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But Christ himself commands us to call God “Abba”, i.e. Daddy. We are to go to him like a child to a Father, not as a slave to a master. While He is our Lord and Savior, He is also a Friend and Brother. We can approach him in both ways.
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Walking_Home
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Yes we call God —Father and we should give him the as Father of the universe. When we start putting the emphasis on friend and brother—we become complacent in our actions and attitude towards Him. It is already being reflected in our manner of dress (anything goes), how we act in church ( becoming a social hr), etc.
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