Head Of U.S Bishops’ Pro-Life Activity: No Communion For Pro-Abortion Politicians

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There is nothing to say that all people placed in solitary confinement will commit suicide.
But putting a violent prison to death is murder. The final punishment.
Better to kill someone than to allow them to possibly commit suicide?
Jim, you continue to say that the death penalty must be there to protect guards and other prison workers. There is no evidence to prove that the death penalty is a deterrent to keep violent prisoners from committing crimes in prison…
Abortion is wrong.
Capital punishment is wrong.
Euthanasia is wrong.
All of it has to do with the taking of a life.
Killing is killing.
Thou shalt no kill.
 
I never mentioned suicide.

Again, convicts who attack guards and who would be put to death, will never do it it again.

It won’t deter others from attacking guards, but if an when they do, they too would have to face capital punishment.

What I’m speaking about is the report from the commission then Governor Mitt Romney put together, to study capital punishment,

Their conclusion was that capital punishment would be rarely used, but should be under these conditions;
  1. A person is convicted of killing a cop
  2. A convicted murderer doing a life sentence, kills a guard, a prison staff member, or another prisoner.
  3. A convicted murderer, orders contracts to kill people on the outside.
Those proposals were presented to the state legislature, which is predominately democrat, and they wouldn’t even bring it to a vote.

Again, you keep saying that such capital punishment is murder, which only means you have a mental block you can’t get past.

Unfortunately, at the expense of innocent victims who will be killed by violent convicts.

Jim
 
I think the actual translation is thou shall not murder.

http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage_print.asp?number=328147&language=en
With regards to the fifth commandment (verse thirteen), the more accurate way to render the original language text is, “You shall not murder” rather than “You shall not kill.” There is a Hebrew word for killing and there is a more specific word for murder, and it is the word for murder which appears in the commandment. For while all murder is killing, not all killing is murder. Murder is the taking of an innocent life, which includes such acts as premeditated killing, killing out of passion, targeting civilians in wartime, and abortion. On the other hand, both the Bible and the constant Tradition of the Church support the right—and even responsibility—of the taking of human life under certain circumstances. Even as the Lord God commanded against murder, for instance, it was not long after that God commanded that a man be put to death by Israel because he had broken the Sabbath by gathering sticks on the day of rest. Certainly God would not contradict His own commandment. However, the man had forfeited his right to life and so it was justifiable killing.
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Correction: It is your opinion that capital punishment is wrong. There is no condemnation of capital punishment as being wrong, as it is not wrong, as the Papal States did it for hundreds of years under the Pope and it was done in the OT. You are free to have the opinion that it should not be used, but it is not murder regardless of if you feel it should be used or not. Abortion is an intrinsic evil, the death penalty is not. These are facts, not opinions. It is not my opinion that comparing abortion to capital punishment is idiotic, it is a fact that it is idiotic. I never called you an idiot or implied it, I said that statement was idiotic and I’m not going to go to a Priest and say “Forgive me Father, I hurt someone’s feelings”. Also, it is funny how you mention Donald Trump. Everyone whines about him but ignores the pure hatred and lies the Luciferian Left constantly uses. Remember all the violence at Trump rallies and the Democrats that rioted when he won? Haha, so ignoring your whining in the first part and moving forward, how can you compare the murder of innocent children to executing criminals? You do realize that very few people are executed right? 4,000 babies are murdered in the US PER DAY while 23 people were executed in the US in ONE YEAR (2017). So 4,000 babies being murdered a day is just as bad as 23 people convicted of violent crimes being executed in a whole year? And in your Bio you claim to be a Catholic? If you are a Catholic, why would you say something like “The Catholic Church may justify killing in rare occasions. But that was not God’s commandment. God said, “Thou shalt not kill.”
Killing is killing.”??? Are you saying the Catholic Church has erred in matters of Faith and Morals??? That is heretical, the Church is infallible in matters of Faith and Morals. If the Church justifies “killing in rare occasions”, which I take to mean self-defence and just war, then that means it is justified.
 
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If the shoe fits, wear it :hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
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If all else fails, insult. Capital punishment is not the same as abortion. However, comparing the two is not equating the two. As the Church and the last three popes have all made comparisons (that is, seeing them as part of the seamless garment of pro-life), perhaps calling it idiotic is a shoe one should not be proffering another.
 
“3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.” -Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion
General Principles
by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

That makes it sound like we’re free to disagree with a Pope’s personal opinions on the death penalty. Also, it does not matter who makes a comparison, it is a bad comparison. And point to where I was insulting? I guess you and your friend do not know the difference between saying an idea is idiotic and calling a person an idiot. I guess if all else fails, confuse the debate by claiming another person insulted you and avoiding the argument presented by the other person, am I right? There is nothing wrong with the death penalty. Anybody can be opposed to it, as stated in the above quoted document, but they cannot call it sinful or equate it to murder. If the death penalty is sinful and never acceptable, we would ultimately be calling God sinful since he commands it numerous times in the OT. It would also mean going against Tradition.

“Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” - Genesis 9:6. I guess seamless garment pro-lifers can try explaining the seamless garment to God.

“The fact that the evil ones, as long as they live, can be corrected from their errors does not prohibit that they may be justly executed, for the danger which threatens from their way of life is greater and more certain than the good which may be expected from their improvement.They also have at that critical point of death the opportunity to be converted to God through repentance. And if they are so obstinate that even at the point of death their heart does not draw back from malice, it is possible to make a quite probable judgment that they would never come away from evil.” - Saint Thomas Aquinas
 
“If a man is a danger to the community, threatening it with disintegration by some wrongdoing of his, then his execution for the healing and preservation of the common good is to be commended.” -Saint Thomas Aquinas. The argument that evildoers should be allowed to live in the hope that they might be redeemed was rejected by Aquinas as frivolous. If they would not repent in the face of death, it was unreasonable to assume they would ever repent. “How many people are we to allow to be murdered while waiting for the repentance of the wrongdoer?”, he asked, rhetorically.

Giovanni Battista Bugatti (1779–1869) was the official executioner for the Papal States from 1796 to 1865. He was the longest-serving executioner in the States and was nicknamed Mastro Titta, a Roman corruption of maestro di giustizia, or master of justice. He carried out a total of 516 executions. [1] At the age of 85, he was retired by Pope Pius IX with a monthly pension of 30 scudi." I guess that means the Popes from 1796 to 1865 were fine with the death penalty.

““It must be remembered that power was granted by God, and to avenge crime the sword was permitted; he who carries out this vengeance is God’s minister. What motive have we for condemning a practice that all hold to be permitted by God?” - Pope Innocent I

“The same divine authority that forbids the killing of a human being establishes certain exceptions, as when God authorizes killing by a general law or when He gives an explicit commission to an individual for a limited time. The agent who executes the killing does not commit homicide; he is an instrument as is the sword with which he cuts. Therefore, it is in no way contrary to the commandment, ‘Thou shalt not kill’ to wage war at God’s bidding, or for the representatives of public authority to put criminals to death, according to the law, that is, the will of the most just reason.” - Saint Augustine

“If a man is a danger to the community, threatening it with disintegration by some wrongdoing of his, then his execution for the healing and preservation of the common good is to be commended. Only the public authority, not private persons, may licitly execute malefactors by public judgment. Men shall be sentenced to death for crimes of irreparable harm or which are particularly perverted.” - Saint Thomas Aquinas

“Even when there is question of the execution of a condemned man, the State does not dispose of the individual’s right to life … by his crime, he has already dispossessed himself of his right to life.” - Pope Pius XII

"The secular power can without mortal sin carry out a sentence of death, provided it proceeds in imposing the penalty not from hatred but with judgment, not carelessly but with due solicitude." -Pope Innocent III

"Far from being guilty of breaking this commandment [Thou shall not kill], such an execution of justice is precisely an act of obedience to it. For the purpose of the law is to protect and foster human life. This purpose is fulfilled when the legitimate authority of the State is exercised by taking the guilty lives of those who have taken innocent lives.” - Catechism of the Council of Trent
 
"After what ended up being a very congenial discussion, it struck me how important it is that we never present the question of capital punishment as if there is a moral equivalency between it and, say, abortion, or any of the other “non-negotiables” in our moral theology. Capital punishment can be carried out justly against a murderer who has been justly convicted. Abortion, however, is always and in every situation grave sin and can never be justified in any sense.

The problems with presenting capital punishment as if it is a “non-negotiable” are manifold:
  1. It sets up contradictions between Scripture and the teaching of the Church. This can never be.
  2. It presents contradictions between Magisterial statements of the Church. This causes confusion among the faithful and can lead to skepticism toward other teachings of the Church.
  3. It presents contradictions to those seeking full communion with the Catholic Church that may prevent them from further consideration of the legitimate claims of the Catholic Church." - Catholic Answers The Church and Capital Punishment | Catholic Answers
 
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The problems with presenting capital punishment as if it is a “non-negotiable” are manifold:
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The biggest difference between capital punishment and abortion is that the latter is objectively wrong. There is no time that direct abortion can be moral. Capital punishment may be moral, or may not be morally permitted. During most of human history, there has been both the moral application, and the immoral application of the death penalty.

However, they do have one thing in common, that is, that respect for human life in and of itself is the reason that it might be immoral, or in the case of abortion, is always immoral. What the Church teaches, is that this respect means that why we have means other than taking the life of a criminal to safe-guard society, that means should be taken instead. A Catholic might dissent from this teaching, but as it is not a doctrine, only application of doctrine, such dissent is acceptable. Therefore, one cannot be denied communion for supporting the death penalty, like one can be denied for supporting abortion.
 
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