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I am asking once more: what makes you conclude that angels are programmed to obey Allah? How come angels have no free will in contrast with Satan???
Because this is what is taught in the Qur’an and the Sunnah.

It all boils down to faith, does it not?

If you say ‘No’, then have you yourself ever seen or talked to an angel… or for that matter, to Satan in your entire life?
Now compare Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Sikhism, etc, to Jesus’ teaching, and ask yourself which one is more heavenly & logically and at the same time which one has an authentic history and references.
For myself, the answer is just so clear and simple i.e. Islam.
 
I would like an answer also to Charlie’s earlier question.

Who is the ‘we’ in Islam ?

Doesn’t the ‘angel’ say ‘we’ to Muhammad all the time.
We created, We forgave sins We …

Who is the ‘we’ ?
The Meaning of The Pronoun “We” As Used in The Qur’aan
… by Yahya Adel Ibrahim

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue. ( Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143).

“Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning):'Verily, We have given you a manifest victory" [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.”

( Al-'Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).

These words, innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say " We have decided…" etc. [This is known in English as “The Royal We” – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur’an innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as “Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’an)” [al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings):

"And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful" [al-Baqarah 2:163]

and

"Say: He is Allaah, the One" [al-Ikhlaas 112:1]

and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.

(Al-'Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109).
 
“Their abode will be Hell. Every time it abates. We will increase for them the blaze (the fierceness) of the fire.”



“So taste, (the result of your deeds), for We will not increase you except in punishment.”

empahsis mine]

Who’s “we”?
The Meaning of The Pronoun “We” As Used in The Qur’aan
… by Yahya Adel Ibrahim

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification…
So, Allah feels glorified when he punishes people in hell. How terrible.
 
Interestingly, the Koran gets close to the Christian concept of “original sin” when it presents Adam as the prototype of mankind and punishes every human being as a consequence of his sin
Bukhari says:

Volume 8, Book 77, Number 611:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, “Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.’ Then Adam said to him, ‘O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?’ So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses,” the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.

Forgiven or not, Adam and his descendants bore the consequence of Adam’s sin of disobeying God.
 
The Effects upon the Present World

Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
“The Hellfire complained to its Lord, saying, ‘O my Lord, my different parts eat each other up.’ So Allah allowed it to take two breaths – one in the winter and the other in the summer. This is [the cause pf] the severe heat and the bitter cold you experience.’”
[Sahih al-Bukhari]

Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
“Fever is from the breath of the Hellfire; so cool it with water.”
[Sahih al-Bukhari]

Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated: “While the Prophet (peace be upon himm) was on a journey, he said [regarding the performance of the thuhr prayer], ‘Wait until it gets cooler.’ He said the same thing again until the shade of the hillocks extended, and then he said, ‘Delay the [thuhr] prayer until it gets cooler, for the severity of heat is from the breath of Hell.’” (thuhr period is just before 'Asr)
[Sahih al-Bukhari]
 
The Great number of inhabitants

“And most of the people are not believers even though you take great care in this respect.”
[Yusuf, 12: 103]

Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated: “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
‘The first man to be called on the Day of Resurrection will be Adam, who will be shown his descendants. And it will be said to them, “This is your father, Adam.” Adam will say, [responding to the call], “Labbayk wa sa’dayk.” Then Allah will say [to Adam], “Bring forth from your descendants the delegations of the Fire.” He will say, “O Lord, how many should I bring?” Allah will answer, “From every hundred, ninety-nine.’”
The companions said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, if ninety-nine out of every one hundred of us are brought forth , then what will remain of us?’ The Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) stated, ‘My nation among other nations is like a white hair on a black bull.’”

[Sahih al-Bukhari]

The Size of its inhabitants

Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
“The molar tooth of an unbeliever or the canine tooth of an unbeliever will be like [Mount] Uhud, and the thickness of his skin will be like a three night’s journey.”
[Muslim]

Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
“The distance between the two shoulders of the non-believer in Hell will be like a three day’s journey for a swift rider.”
[Muslim]

Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
“Indeed, the thickness of the disbeliever’s skin will be the length of forty-two forearms of those of giants, his molar tooth like [Mount] Uhud, and his seat in Hellfire [the distance] between Makkah and Madinah.”
[at-Tirmidhi and al-Hakim]
 
Some of its inhabitants

Imran bin Husayn (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
“I looked into Paradise and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were the poor, and I looked into Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women.”
[Sahih al-Bukhari]

Usamah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) stated:
**“I stood at the gate of Paradise and saw that the majority of the people who entered it were the poor, while those of means were held [for account], except the companions of the Fire, who were already ordered to [be taken to] the Fire. And I stood at the gate of the Fire and [saw that] the majority of those who entered it were women.” **
[Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) stated: “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
‘I looked into the Hellfire, and the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful.’ It was asked, ‘Did they disbelieve in (i.e. were ungrateful to ] Allah?’ He replied, ‘They were ungrateful to their husbands and were ungrateful for favors and the good deeds done for them. If you had always been good to one of them and then she saw something in you not to her liking, she would say, ‘I have never seen any good from you at all.”’”
[Sahih al-Bukhari]

Pharaoh:
“And We sent Musa with Our clear [signs] and an authority manifest unto Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they followed the command of Pharaoh. And the command of Pharaoh was no right guide. He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment and lead them into the Fire. And how evil will be the place to which they are led. And they are followed by a curse in this [life] and on the Day of Judgment. And evil is the gift which will be given [to them].”
[Hud, 11: 96-99]

“The Fire – they will be exposed to it morning and evening, and on the Day that judgment will be established [it will be said], ‘Cast the people of Pharaoh into the severest punishment.’”
[Ghafir, 40: 46]

The Wives of Nuh and Lut:
“Allah has given an example of those who disbelieve: the wife of Nuh and the wife of Lut. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them; so they [the two prophets] did not benefit them [the wives] before Allah at all, and they were told, ‘Enter the Fire with those who enter.’”
[at-Tahreem, 66: 10]

Abu Lahab and His Wife:
“May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he. His wealth will not avail him nor that which he gained. He will enter a flaming fire and his wife [as well] – the carrier of firewood – around her neck a rope of palm fiber.”
[Masad, 111: 1-5]

Amr bin Luhayy:
Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said:
“I saw ‘Amr bin Luhayy bin Qam’a bin Khindif, brother of Bani Ka’b, dragging his intestines in the Fire.”
[Muslim]

Amr bin Amir al-Khuya’i:
Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) stated that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said:
“I saw 'Amr bin 'Amir al-Khuya’i dragging his intestines in the Fire; he was the first who dedicated to animals to false deities.”
[Muslim]

Abu Talib:
Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
“Of the inmates of the Fire, the one with the easiest punishment will be Abu Talib; he will be wearing a pair of shoes which will cause his brain to boil.”
[Sahih al-Bukhari]

**“He will say, ‘Enter into the company of communities who passed away before you – of jinn and men – into the Fire.’” **
[al-A’raf, 7: 38]

“If your Lord had so willed, He could have make mankind one people, but they will not cease to dispute except those on whom your Lord has bestowed His mercy. And the word of your Lord will be fulfilled: ‘Certainly I will fill Hell with jinn and men all together.’”
[Hud, 11: 118-119]

“Then they will be thrown into it [the Hellfire] on their faces – they and those straying in evil and the soldiers of Iblees, all together.”
[ash-Shu’ara, 26: 94-95]
 
Categories of its inhabitants

Disbelievers:
“But those who disbelieve and deny Our signs will be companions of the Fire; they will abide therein.”
[Sahih al-Baqarah, 2: 39]

“Those who have disbelieved and died while they are disbelievers will have the curse of Allah upon them and the [curse of the ] angels and all of mankind. [they will abide] eternally therein. The punishment will not be lightened for them, nor will the punishment be postponed.”
[Sahih al-Baqarah, 2: 161-162]

Hypocrites:
“Indeed the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire; you will find no helper for them.”
[an-Nisa, 4: 145]

“The hypocrites are afraid that a surah be sent down about them, showing them what is [really] in their hearts. Say, ‘Ridicule you! But verily, Allah will expose all that you fear.’ If you question them, they declare, ‘We were only talking idly and playing.’ Say, ‘Is it Allah and His signs and His messengers that you were mocking?’ Make no excuses that you were rejected faith after having accepted it. IF We pardon some of you, We will punish others because they were criminals. The hypocrites – men and women are of one another. They enjoin evil and forbid what is just and close their hands [in stinginess]. They have forgotten Allah, so He has forgotten them. Verily, the hypocrites are rebellious and perverse. Allah has promised the hypocrites men and women and the rejecters of faith the fire of Hell; they will dwell therein. It is sufficient for them. And Allah will curse them, and they will have an enduring punishment.”
[at-Tawbah, 9: 64-68]

Polytheists (Those who Associate Something with Allah):
“Those who reject [truth] among the People of the Book and the polytheists were not going to depart [from their ways] until there comes to them clear evidence – a messenger from Allah, rehearsing pure scriptures, wherein are upright laws [or decrees]. Nor did those who had been given the scripture make schisms until after there had come to them clear evidence. And they were not commanded except to worship Allah, sincere in religion to Him, to establish regular prayer, and to pay zakah. And that is the upright religion. Those who reject [truth] among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, dwelling therein forever. They are the worst of creatures.”
[al-Bayyinah, 98: 1-6]

People of the Book (Who Reject Islam):
“Those reject [truth] among the People of the Book are the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, dwelling there therein forever. They are the worst of creatures.”
[al-Bayyinah, 98: 6]

Arrogant Rejecters of the Truth:
“But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance – they are the companions of the Fire, dwelling therein forever.”
[al-A’raf, 7: 36]

Sinners and Criminals:
“Indeed the criminals will be in the punishment of Hell, dwelling therein forever. It will not be lightened for them, and they will be overwhelmed there in despair. And We have not wronged them, but it is they who have wronged [themselves].”
[az-Zukhruf, 43: 74-76]

The Unjust:
“Then it will be said to those who were unjust, ‘Taste the eternal punishment. Are you recompensed except for what you used to earn?’”
[Yunus, 10: 52]

Transgressors:
“But when there comes the Greatest Event – the Day when man will remember what he strove for and the Hellfire will be brought forth for [all] to see – then for him who had transgressed and preferred the life of this world, indeed Hellfire will be his shelter.”
[an-Nazi’at, 79: 34-39]

Concealers of Allah’s Revelations:
“Those who conceal what We have sent down of proofs and guidance after We have made it clear to the people in the scripture- those are cursed by Allah and cursed by those who [are entitled to] curse.”
[Surah al Baqarah, 2: 159]
(“those who curse” refers to the angels and believers.)

Tyrants:
“But they asked victory, and disappointment is the lot of every obstinate tyrant. In front of him is Hell, and he is given pus to drink. He will gulp it but will hardly be able t oswallow it, and death will come to him from every place, yet he will not die. And in front of him will be a heavy punishment.”
[Ibrahim, 14: 15-17]

“[It will be said to the two angels], ‘Throw into Hellfire every obstinate rejecter [of Allah] – who prevented good, transgressed, and doubted, who set up another god besides Allah – throw him into the severe punishment.’”
[Qaf, 50: 24-26]

Murderers:
“And whoever kills a believer intentionally – his recompense is Hell to abide therein forever, and the warth and the curse of Alllah is upon him, and He has prepared for him a great punishment.”
[an-Nisa, 4: 93]

Persecutors of Believers:
”Those who presect [or draw into temptations] the believers – men and women – and then do not turn in repentance will have the punishment of Hell, and they will have the punishment of the Burning Fire.”
[al-Buruj, 85: 10]

Those who Prefer this world and Neglect the Hereafter:
“Whoever wishes for the immediate – We hasten to grant him such things as We will to whom We will. Then We have mark for them hallmark they will burn therein, disgraced and rejected.”
[al-Isra’, 17: 18]

Those who Commit Suicide:
Abu Huraiarh (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
‘He who kills himself with a steel [weapon] will be eternal inhabitant of Hell, and he will have that [weapon] in his hand and will be thrusting it into his stomach forever and ever; he who kills himself by drinking poison will sip in the fire of Hell, forever and forever. He will kills himself by throwing himself from a the top of a mountain and will constantly fall in the fire of Hell forever and ever.”
[Muslim]
 
Other Inhabitants:

Harithah bin Wahb narrated (may Allah be pleased with him) that he heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say:
“Shall I not inform you who the people of Paradise are? [They are comprised of] every person who is weak and taken advantage of, but if he swore that Allah would do something, He (suhanahu wa ta’ala) would comply. And shall I not inform you who the people of Hell are? [They are comprised of ] every one who is cruel, proud and arrogant.”
[Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim]

It is narrated: “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
‘The inhabitants of Hell are five: 1) the weak who lack self-restraint, who follow blindly and do not care for family or property (i.e. they care neither for the benefits of the Hereafter nor of this world); 2) the treacherous who does not show himself but his greed is such that he is deceitful even in small things; 3) a person who would betray you morning and evening regarding your family and your property.’ He also made mention of 4) the miser of the liar and 5) one who is in the habit of abusing people and using obscene and foul language.”
[Muslim]

It is narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
“Paradise and Hell fell into a dispute for, accommodating the haughty and proud, and Paradise said, ‘What is the matter with me that only the meek and the humble and the downtrodden and simple will find abode in me?’ Thereupon, Allah said to Paradise, ‘You are a means of My mercy. I will show mercy through you to whom I will from among My servants.’ Then He said to Hell, ‘You are a sign of My chastisement, and I will chastise through you whom I will from among My servants. Both of you will be full.’ And as regards to Hell, it will not be full until Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, places His foot over it. Then Hell will say, ‘Enough, enough, enough!’ at which point it will be full and will be compressed. Allah will not treat unjustly anyone among His creation. As for Paradise, He will create another creation to fill it.”
[Muslim]

Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
“There are two types of inhabitants of Hell whom I have not seen in my lifetime: People who have whips like the tails of oxen with them and will be beating people, and women who will be dressed yet undressed, who will be inclined to evil and will make others incline towards it. Their heads will appear like the humps of Persian camels inclined to one side. They will not enter Paradise, nor will they even smell its odor, although will be smelled from long distances away.”
[Muslim]

(When the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) saw Hell, many different kinds of people were there; however, there were two types whom he did not recognize because they did not exist at the time when he was alive, (seventh century). These two types of people are the following:
  1. those carrying whips who were beating others (oppressors)
  2. women wearing revealing outfits much like the fashionable clothing of today. These women have unusual hairstyles, perhaps like the ones worn by modern-day women. Through this hadith the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) predicted the nature of women’s clothing in the future- he foretold that clothing considered fashionable would reveal much of the body – and he also predicted the nature of the hairstyles and wigs of modern times worn by those women who will be among the inhabitants of Hell).
 
Because this is what is taught in the Qur’an and the Sunnah.

It all boils down to faith, does it not?

If you say ‘No’, then have you yourself ever seen or talked to an angel… or for that matter, to Satan in your entire life?

For myself, the answer is just so clear and simple i.e. Islam.
Could you please show those clear verses in the Koran that teach angels are programmed to obey Allah?
 
Could you please show those clear verses in the Koran that teach angels are programmed to obey Allah?
You are asking really trivial questions which I just do not see to be of any real significance whatsoever.

Muslims in general really do not care much at all about such trivialities in their religion.

Since the Qur’an is saying that disbelievers are headed for the Hell-fire, I just cannot understand why you are instead placing so much emphasis on such totally insignificant matters.

Anyhow, I do not think that the Qur’an mentions anything about how angels are “programmed” but if you are interested, then I suggest that you should search the ahadith database here.

Like I said, I myself have very little interest in this subject.
 
Muslims in general really do not care much at all about such trivialities in their religion.
Breaking wind, menstral cycles and punishments in hell are much more important then I suppose.
Since the Qur’an is saying that disbelievers are headed for the Hell-fire, I just cannot understand why you are instead placing so much emphasis on such totally insignificant matters.
An angel supposedly gave the Quran to Mohammed, but that is insignificant?
 
Breaking wind, menstral cycles and punishments in hell are much more important then I suppose.

An angel supposedly gave the Quran to Mohammed, but that is insignificant?
The answer to the question that Angelos asked is located in the ahadith.

It would take too much effort on the part of someone who is totally not interested to want to search the ahadith database.

However, for people who are truly interested, then they are most welcome to search that database for the relevant ahadith.
 
You are asking really trivial questions which I just do not see to be of any real significance whatsoever.

Muslims in general really do not care much at all about such trivialities in their religion.

Since the Qur’an is saying that disbelievers are headed for the Hell-fire, I just cannot understand why you are instead placing so much emphasis on such totally insignificant matters.

Anyhow, I do not think that the Qur’an mentions anything about how angels are “programmed” but if you are interested, then I suggest that you should search the ahadith database here.

Like I said, I myself have very little interest in this subject.
Your response implies that hadith collection is mostly dedicated to the explanation of insignifcant matters and trivial stuff in Islam. However, your scripture has few verses that contradict or implicitly refute the things stated about the angels in hadith collections.

Besides, I should remind you that I am not obliged to criticise and question Islam on the basis of what you consider significant or interesting.

Finally, what actually dragged me to this discussion was your emphasis on the supposed Islamic belief that angels had no free will. I really wondered why you laid so much emphasis on this issue if it were insignificant and trivial in your sight. 😉
 
So** disobeying God is a grevious error **but it may not be a sin. Is that what you are saying? When does grevious error become sin? Again, to (greviously) err is also human.
You didn’t answer my question, hamba.
 
So God chose to reveal himself more fully in the old Arab language where the plural way of describing himself is seen as having great honour and respect but if Christians think of God as one God in plural form this is the most grievious sin that God is offended with and you go straight to eternal hellfire for your mistake ?
 
“The Hellfire complained to its Lord, saying, ‘O my Lord, my different parts eat each other up.’ So Allah allowed it to take two breaths – one in the winter and the other in the summer. This is [the cause pf] the severe heat and the bitter cold you experience.’”
Scientists may have something to say about that.
 
In addition to the above, are you saying God decided to clear up the confusion with the wrong ideas in Christianity, by not returning to the Christians/Jews but revealing himself to Arabs who worshipped many God’s and by describing himself in the Arabic in plural form, in order to make the point that He in no way should be conceived of as being in the plural ?

i would have thought that if God was so disgusted at people thinking of Him as one God in multiple forms that it would also have been disgusting to Him to talk to a new set of people who worshipped many God’s and who in their language, in order to have respect, He would have had to describe Himself in the plural.

Considering one of the main reasons He is supposed to have revealed Himself was to clear up the confusion with the Trinity (where christians erred) it just does not make logical sense to me to do it in a way where to show the most respect to Himself to a multi God worshipping people, He has to speak of Himself in their language, in the plural.

To be so upset of his chosen people thinking of Him in the plural, to condemn them to eternal fire, but to be happy with a multi God worshipping people having a language where He has to talk of himself in the plural seems to be a bit inconsistant - especially if His express purpose was to say He does not have multiple froms.

But if you think something else, that’s of course up to you.
 
So** disobeying God is a grevious error **but it may not be a sin. Is that what you are saying? When does grevious error become sin? Again, to (greviously) err is also human.
I really do not know how to make this any clearer.

Muslims absolutely revere the Prophets of God (peace be upon them all) and are loathe to assign any kind of sin to them.

Christians and Jews, on the other hand, have no such qualms about assigning sins to the prophets mentioned in the Bible.

Islam teaches that the Prophets (pbuta) have a direct line of communication with Allah, most of the time through angels and when these Prophets (pbuta) commit these mistakes or “sins” if you like, they are quickly admonished by God Himself and they immediately repent and correct their ways.

By comparison, when ordinary people commit mistakes or sins, they have to refer to external guidance like scriptures and religious teachers in order for them to realise their wrongdoings… and even then, most of them will not repent and change their ways because of pride and various other reasons.

What this means is that in the eyes of the Lord, the “sins” of the Prophets (pbuta) are indeed viewed differently from the sins commited by ordinary people.

And if there are some who would think that this is rather unfair, then consider that the punishment for the Prophets (pbut) will be infinitely greater if they refuse to immediately repent and correct themselves when informed about their “sins”.
 
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