Hello, A Satanist has joined you

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‘Snob’ I’ll readily confess to - I come from a heavyduty academic family and am pretty highly educated myself, Don’t take it personally - it’s the way I grew up learning to speak and polishing it yet further over the years, so to me, it just feels easy and relaxed - certainly not spoiling for a showdown!

Other than such - pax, shall we?

Again, warmly,
Nepenthe
 
The title of this thread is befitting. When “Satan” enters the picture, a fracas is on the horizon, so sooner or later it will rise. By the looks of this thread, which has derailed, a fracas sure has risen.

Let’s remember our Christianity. 😊

🤷 I guess Arnoagns has been busy with something else? :juggle:
 
JMJ_coder said:
And I am undeniably and unashamedly CATHOLIC!!! 🙂
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Most absolutely! 🙂 But I think saieditor thinks that Arnoagns used to be Catholic. That’s what I got out of that comment because it quoted Arnoagns and because of the “were” in the statement.
 
Satanists dont believe in a literal Satan. What they basically believe is if it feels good do it. Basically they give top place to there desires and needs then to anything else including God. There not much different then a person who just lives for his fleshy sinful desires . If he feels an urge he fully embraces that urge. There basically heathens. Comparing Christians to Satanists is like this… Christians are like elite athletes who train and discipline there bodies in diet and excerise for high performance yet for Christians of course its things of the soul. flesh minded Satanists in contrast are like the fat guy named ralph who sits on his couch all day eating chips and watching porn and wonders why he’s fat and cant get a chick. or…Christians are like the Marines who go through harsh training , and intense study of battle plans, who listen to there superiors for the good of the unit , yet again for Christians its of things of the soul … by contrast the so called spiritually of Satanists is like the lazy 40 something guy who still lives in his mothers basement because he just likes playing video games all day… hey thats what feels fun to him right? so you cant question it according to Satanists.

Its a no where philosophy that will no doubt produce degenerate and reprobate minds with a lifeless soul.
 
Best of luck to you when your time on Earth is up… Even if you go through your entire life as a “Satanist,” try to to remember this: if you find yourself about to die, ask Jesus to save you-- that will be your best shot at avoiding Hell. Prayers that you will find Him before that.
 
jfhh said:
Thanks for your advice.

I’m not sure what the difference is in the context. Generally speaking though, I don’t think the church has a monopoly on the truth. I think it has part of the truth. Obviously the gap between what God knows or is and what the church knows is infinite. Other communities may have insights that we don’t have and vice versa. IMO, we can all learn from each other. Catholics can learn about God from Hindus and Hindus from Catholics etc. Due to my prejudice as I mentioned I have difficulty learning from some religions that I think I would have nothing to learn from, but I believe God wants me to be humble and be willing to listen to everyone and be open to truth wherever it may be.
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Hello Jfhh:

I believe that The Church does have a monopoly on the truth. If she is the Body of Christ it can be no other way. The Church is the truth, all else falls short. Perhaps not totally incorrect, but short.

With that said, The Church here on earth, Church Militant, is subject to human imperfections, that is as far as human behavior. That imperfection does not, however, affect her truth.

I do agree with you and so does the Catechism that we must be humble, and subservient to our brothers ans sisters. Our evangelism needs to be one of example, not just logical arguments (which by now, if we don’t see that they don’t work in the least to convert, we are being blind). The early Church spread like wildfire, but with a message of hope and the example of service.

We should open up our hearts to other religions, but never compromise our beliefs. Remember, The Church prays for humanity in its entirety, even Satanists.

The problem with some of the echumenical thinking these days is that once we allow even a miniscule fraction of error to be part of the Sacred Tradition, the whole house of cards falls.

Christ is perfect, His Church is perfect, we are, by the grace of God part of it by our communion in Christ.

Church Trimphant (Heaven), Church Suffering (Purgatory) and Church Militant (Us, by the grace of God).

God Bless,

Victor
 
even though i believe Jesus is the way and the only way i also believe Jesus still loves you.i believe in satan.i know he is powerful God created him.
I am not sure how my next statement will be taken and id like some feedback.But since God created satan as well are they not brothers?
i think maybe no matter what you believe you can reach heaven,Jesus died for all of us.he was punished for all of us.and as long as u respect life and live it well and fair and good you can still reach the heavens.
i am not trying to convert anyone but in the same statement i will try to inform you of my beliefsjust as you have by stating that u are a satanist…
i would really like to know from both the satanist and the devil worshiper what their purpose is in this forum?
are you here to convert me?what is your purpose here?what good can come of it?for you?for me?
i tend to wonder even though you say you dont want to be converted if you really do…are you really here hoping that someone will show you the way the truth and the light?
i cannot see any other reason.
 
I looked this up in the Modern Catholic Encyclopedia and there in an entry by Richard Woods, O.P., it says the church has never solemnly defined that Satan exists. He goes on to say however that “both Scripture and traditional Christian teaching presuppose the reality and limited power of the devil”

So I guess I am free to not believe in the existence of Satan. I do believe Satan corresponds to a mythic reality.
 
jfhh said:
…I guess I am free to not believe in the existence of Satan. I do believe Satan corresponds to a mythic reality.
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I am sorry, but if you are a faithful Catholic then you are not. Here is what it says about Satan in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
CCC 395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. **He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. **He cannot prevent the building up of God’s reign. Although **Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God **and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but “we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him.”
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There is a lot more about Satan in the CCC. I suggest that you check it out.
 
Well, things got busy here I see.
Imryl, I must say I noted your concern and saw that one with red lights flashing all over it. You are correct of course to have concern with the statement made and also noting an old heresy that luckily did not take hold… Or we hope not anyway.
I was dismayed to see after your plea for a catholic to help explain it to the poster, no one did.😦
I would not be of any help not being catholic, still knowing the answer (who knows, they may think I am in on it too;)
I especially respect the reason why you asked for a catholic poster to do so. (I agree with your line of thinking there too)
Wow.
Anyway, hope you and your daughter had a great Thanksgiving. 🙂

I almost forgot my next question for you. I better think about it some more now though. I want to make sure it does not tip off a topic about solar panels or something as equally unrelated.
 
By the way, Jfhh, what did you mean on your post number (348?) page 20?
Not sure I follow you here. (your post was not the one I was reffering to earlier btw)
 
Iamacatholic77 said:
I am not sure how my next statement will be taken and id like some feedback.But since God created satan as well are they not brothers?
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No they are not. The Angels are not brothers in that they are not human creatures. They are spiritual beings far more intelligent than we are. They are messengers of God. They are our servants who help guard us from sin. The devil is a fallen angel who was cast down to earth to wreak havoc on us. That is the spiritual battle in which we are fighting.
Iamacatholic77 said:
i think maybe no matter what you believe you can reach heaven,Jesus died for all of us.he was punished for all of us.and as long as u respect life and live it well and fair and good you can still reach the heavens.
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I’m afraid you are wrong. You cannot reach the heavens by believing just anything. You are starting to sound like Oprah, the one who denounced Jesus Christ as being the ONLY Way, the Truth and the Life.

And yes, Jesus was punished for our sins but that does not mean we get off scott free. We still have to suffer and we still have to sacrifice our lives. We have to die to ourselves and live for Christ alone. We do that by the small sacrifices we can do for others, to love one another the way Jesus told us to love each other. When we love & serve each other we are serving the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no such thing as “faith alone.”
 
jfhh said:
I looked this up in the Modern Catholic Encyclopedia and there in an entry by Richard Woods, O.P., it says the church has never solemnly defined that Satan exists. He goes on to say however that “both Scripture and traditional Christian teaching presuppose the reality and limited power of the devil”
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Oh the devil loves Richard Woods for putting those words down. He is wrong! The devil is all over the bible and explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
jfhh said:
So I guess I am free to not believe in the existence of Satan. I do believe Satan corresponds to a mythic reality.
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You go right ahead and believe that the devil is a mythic reality and you’ll be playing right into the devil’s hands. His (Satan) greatest accomplishment is to get you to believe he does not exist.
 
AlegreFe said:
Oh the devil loves Richard Woods for putting those words down. He is wrong! The devil is all over the bible and explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

You go right ahead and believe that the devil is a mythic reality and you’ll be playing right into the devil’s hands. His (Satan) greatest accomplishment is to get you to believe he does not exist.
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Wow, the final statement of LV Satanism was right:

9. Satan represents the best friend the Christian Church has ever had, as he’s kept them in business for all these centuries!

Do you guys really think it would have made any difference to our Church whether Satan really existed in this world or not?
 
AlegreFe said:
You go right ahead and believe that the devil is a mythic reality and you’ll be playing right into the devil’s hands.
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I said the devil corresponds to reality, namely a mythic reality. “Mythic” doesn’t mean unreal. If it did, “mythic reality” would be an oxymoron. Myth is a kind of truth, not a kind of falsehood. Myth doesn’t mean the same thing as legend (which is something of dubious truth whereas myth pertains to the character of the truth not its certainity or dubiousness).

I believe that an angelic realm exists. Right now I am inclined to believe that this angelic realm in some way corresponds to the Holy Spirit and that the material-spiritual realm of the universe in some way corresponds to the eternal Logos. In any event, I believe the angelic realm as noted in scripture, surpasses our understanding and that any presentation of it would thus be likely couched in mythic language (another example of mythic story telling would be the creation stories in Genesis)
 
notsmart said:
By the way, Jfhh, what did you mean on your post number (348?) page 20?
Not sure I follow you here. (your post was not the one I was reffering to earlier btw)
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Um, you must have either the wrong person or wrong number 🙂

348 was written by someone else.
 
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