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[notsmart]

It is not Satan’s “power” that bothers me (as it is only permitted by God for a time) it’s not even the “other point of view” that bothers me (he has another side to the story, okay that no one thought would be worth writing about for how long?)

• this I think we can rightly toss aside since no one who follows this can be sure of this by a book, or teachers passed on from generation to generation.
  What bothers me is how it seems to have a clear end to it all.
  Its just too hazy about the details after one gets what they want.
  Not something to pass on to generations to come. It sort of gives one only temporary something.

 

[ralphinal]

Satan has not been dogmatically defined because historically, there has been no debate about his existance. The Church only defines things to clear up debates.

Now, the way the world is headed, we will need to define him to remind everyone that he exists.

 

[notsmart]

Satan has not been dogmatically defined because historically, there has been no debate about his existance. The Church only defines things to clear up debates.

Now, the way the world is headed, we will need to define him to remind everyone that he exists.

As long as his existance does not threaten the identity of Christ, I think the Church will be very hesitant to dogmatically define him in certain terms.

The attacks against Christ were the ones that got the Church to say NO! That is not correct!
It seems to be comforting, to me- the church is hesitant to make all things dogma…
Just the things that really matter.

 

[ralphinal]

As long as his existance does not threaten the identity of Christ, I think the Church will be very hesitant to dogmatically define him in certain terms.

The attacks against Christ were the ones that got the Church to say NO! That is not correct!
It seems to be comforting, to me- the church is hesitant to make all things dogma…
Just the things that really matter.

Correct.

 

[Gatell]

As long as his existance does not threaten the identity of Christ, I think the Church will be very hesitant to dogmatically define him in certain terms.

The attacks against Christ were the ones that got the Church to say NO! That is not correct!
It seems to be comforting, to me- the church is hesitant to make all things dogma…
Just the things that really matter.

Personally, I think that if the Church takes the time to define Satan any more than the Scriptures have, then it may be like empowering him.

Satan has no power we as humans cannot resist, if we want to, that is. His power over us is easily made to go away. We have powerful antitoxins, like Communion, Confession, prayer. And the part he most likely hates the most, our free will.

Victor

 

[notsmart]

Personally, I think that if the Church takes the time to define Satan any more than the Scriptures have, then it may be like empowering him.

Satan has no power we as humans cannot resist, if we want to, that is. His power over us is easily made to go away. We have powerful antitoxins, like Communion, Confession, prayer. And the part he most likely hates the most, our free will.

Victor

Well, it does scare me that satan does have power permitted by God. I have not had my immunizations just yet and am ill prepared for him should he decide to make a housecall to me.

 

[Gatell]

Well, it does scare me that satan does have power permitted by God. I have not had my immunizations just yet and am ill prepared for him should he decide to make a housecall to me.

Don’t get me wrong, I fall in his traps every day. All I am saying is that while he should not be ignored, he should not be empowered. It is only in the movies and books that Satan has the kind of power that defeats Christ’s Church. Have you noticed how Holywood has made him invincible? The Church never relinquished her authority over him. A miserable creature, no doubt, but powerless to take what is not his.

Do you doubt that if you (pray it does not happen) died this moment your soul would be accepted by God? I suspect it is much harder to make it to Hell than people think.

Victor

 

[Gatell]

Wow, the final statement of LV Satanism was right:

9. Satan represents the best friend the Christian Church has ever had, as he’s kept them in business for all these centuries!

Do you guys really think it would have made any difference to our Church whether Satan really existed in this world or not?

“But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?” ~Mark Twain

Interesting, the quote from Mark Twain.

The Church does not pray for Satan, as a matter of fact she only rebukes him, as in the prayer to St. Michael. But the question remains, is there no pitty for Satan?

I’ve always felt pity for Judas, never for Satan (except for in the movie “The Devil’s Advocate”, and only for a little while). But that is Holywwod for you.

I wonder what our scholarly friends here think. That is above my theologically challenged brain.

Victor

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

“But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?” ~Mark Twain

Interesting, the quote from Mark Twain.

The Church does not pray for Satan, as a matter of fact she only rebukes him, as in the prayer to St. Michael. But the question remains, is there no pitty for Satan?

I’ve always felt pity for Judas, never for Satan (except for in the movie “The Devil’s Advocate”, and only for a little while). But that is Holywwod for you.

I wonder what our scholarly friends here think. That is above my theologically challenged brain.

Victor

Well, praying for Satan-- or any sinner, for that matter-- should not pray out of pity, but out of love… which, I guess, impossible for the average Christian.

 

[notsmart]

Well, praying for Satan-- or any sinner, for that matter-- should not pray out of pity, but out of love… which, I guess, impossible for the average Christian.

I am not sure why one would pray for satan, when he is promised and end by God. I don’t think God is going to change his fate no matter how many pray for him. Your prayer wont be wasted, but merely re-directed to a worthy soul.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

I am not sure why one would pray for satan, when he is promised and end by God. I don’t think God is going to change his fate no matter how many pray for him. Your prayer wont be wasted, but merely re-directed to a worthy soul.

Maybe. But there’s no harm in trying.

 

[notsmart]

Maybe. But there’s no harm in trying.

Trying to change God’s mind about Satan’s fate? You must be a woman.

Monica

 

[brkn1]

Personally, I think that if the Church takes the time to define Satan any more than the Scriptures have, then it may be like empowering him.

Satan has no power we as humans cannot resist, if we want to, that is. His power over us is easily made to go away. We have powerful antitoxins, like Communion, Confession, prayer. And the part he most likely hates the most, our free will.

Victor

As a human, you are no match for Satan. Your free will is the most vulnerable. Adam and Eve did not even have the handicap of an original sin-nature and they failed miserably against the wiles of Satan.
Until you are truly born again by the Will of the Holy Spirit, you are just a pawn of the devil. No ritual or work of your own will can protect you until you have the Spirit of God indwelling you.

 

[AlegreFe]

I said the devil corresponds to reality, namely a mythic reality. “Mythic” doesn’t mean unreal. If it did, “mythic reality” would be an oxymoron. Myth is a kind of truth, not a kind of falsehood. Myth doesn’t mean the same thing as legend (which is something of dubious truth whereas myth pertains to the character of the truth not its certainity or dubiousness).

I believe that an angelic realm exists. Right now I am inclined to believe that this angelic realm in some way corresponds to the Holy Spirit and that the material-spiritual realm of the universe in some way corresponds to the eternal Logos. In any event, I believe the angelic realm as noted in scripture, surpasses our understanding and that any presentation of it would thus be likely couched in mythic language (another example of mythic story telling would be the creation stories in Genesis)

Oh my goodness, you’re one of those that believe angels and demons are a “literary device” to try and explain certain stories in the bible. I shutter to think such nonsense.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Trying to change God’s mind about Satan’s fate? You must be a woman.

Monica

So what if I’m a girl?

Besides, what’s wrong with changing God’s mind about mankind’s fate?

 

[notsmart]

So what if I’m a girl?

Besides, what’s wrong with changing God’s mind about mankind’s fate?

He would cease to be God. God can’t change his mind if he is what we believe him to be.
If he is not what we believe him to be, there is no point in beliving in him at all.

 

[azulli]

gday gday - I have just joined and found this topic. I have not read the last months worth so please forgive me if I re-write something old.

As a satanist - you are free to do what you will. As a catholic we are also free to do what we like.

The difference is, as a satanist, you will never be fulfilled, happy or at peace with the world - you will have a big focus of pleasure as happiness.

As a catholic, we too get sucked into that as well, but by focusing on love, forgiveness, compassion, empathy, patience, understanding, peace we will become forever happy.

 

[Fran65]

Well, it does scare me that satan does have power permitted by God. I have not had my immunizations just yet and am ill prepared for him should he decide to make a housecall to me.

Just pray to St Michael the Archangel:

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen.

God Bless

 

[ErrorCMDR]

Years ago out of curiosity I read the Satanic bible. It was interesting to say the least. and I can say 100% bull as a religion.
I burned it after reading so no one else would read this filth.

God Bless

EC

 

[jfhh]

Oh my goodness, you’re one of those that believe angels and demons are a “literary device” to try and explain certain stories in the bible. I shutter to think such nonsense.

I don’t think you understood my post. I tried to explain what “mythic” meant but you aren’t getting it Here’s wikipedia; I hope it helps.

Academic usage

In the academic fields of mythology, mythography, or folkloristics, a myth is a sacred story involving symbols that are usually capable of multiple meanings (cf. the works of Claude Levi-Strauss, Ernst Cassirer, Mircea Eliade, Joseph Campbell, Carl Jung, and Northrup Frye for various interpretations). The body of myths in a given culture usually includes a cosmogonical or creation myth concerning the origins of the world or how the world and its creatures came into existence. The active beings in myths are generally gods and goddesses, heroes and heroines, or animals. Most myths are set in a timeless past before recorded and critical history begins.

A myth is a sacred narrative in the sense that it holds religious or spiritual significance for those who tell it, and it contributes to and expresses systems of thought and values. Use of the term by scholars implies neither the truth nor the falseness of the narrative. To the source culture, however, a myth by definition is “true,” in that it embodies beliefs, concepts, and ways of questioning and making sense of the world. Myths generally break off into three separate classifications. Hero myths, creation myths, and how-to-live myths. Hero myths involve an ideal being performing a range of tasks to help someone or something. Creation myths are theories on how different things, (usually the world) was created. How-to-live myths will have a certain message portrayed through the story and were created to teach us “how to live”.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth

If you are getting hung up on the word “mythic”, replace it with “sublime”. I believe the stories regarding angels correspond to a sublime reality. Happy? More than right belief, IMO, it is important to have a happy heart

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