Hello, A Satanist has joined you

[Imryl]

The idea of satan is to self promote (rebellion) with no apologies. This is, it seems to me, the core value of Levey and other adherents to Satanism.

I do not pretend to speak for the other groups. I can only pass along what I know… You’ll have to ask a LaVeyan or Setian or Luciferian if you want to know what their core values are.

Even if it means to destroy other people to do it. Right?

I’ve already stated what my objective is. It doesn’t line up with philosophical Satanism.

Raises both of mine - none of your own Satanic texts ‘speaks to you’ in the way Catholic writings do?

I have Satanic texts? Did Satan manifest and put pen to paper? LaVey is just another man with the same tired arguments. There aren’t any Satanic texts that I’m aware of.

This raises an eybrow a bit. What do you mean by this?

What do I mean by what? They’re intelligent and thoughtful and they’ve wrestled with the same things I have. It’s complicated. But obviously I’m not alone, because they’re popular books

 

[TOP]

I thought you were converting, Imryl. What stopped you?

 

[Imryl]

Still thinking TOP

 

[TOP]

Sometimes only a thought can get you out of a jam.

 

[sambos671]

Still thinking TOP

What about Catholicism attracts you? Why would you give it a consideration?

 

[Il_Cattivo]

hey Satanist, when are you coming out of the closet?

 

[dolphinlove]

Still thinking TOP

Hi Imryl,
I dont know if you remember me or not, but we had a chat in a thread sometime ago and i was really concerned for you.
Why was i concerned i hear you ask? Well i dont want you to go to hell and i want you to experience the love of our Lord. Yes, OUR Lord Jesus.
If i do sound blunt with what im about to say, i apologize, but i can still see you have no ‘feelings’ towards others other than your daughter.
I want all you satanists to ask yourselves, who gave you life? Who gave you the life you now lead? Who has supplied this world with all our earthly possessions? Who created this planet of beauty for us to see? The list of questions like this can go on, but the bottom line, it was God who created it all for us.
God loves us all so much, he gave us so much.
Why then would you worship satan who gave you nothing, only feelings of detachment, unable to love your fellow man, unable to ‘feel’ or use your conscience?
Those are certainly things i would not want to feel. If i lost the feel for the love of my God, my world would not be the same, i would be miserable, and lost in many ways. I depend on the love of my God.
I hope one day you can depend on and love him also.

 

[sambos671]

hey Satanist, when are you coming out of the closet?

To whom are you referring.

 

[Imryl]

What about Catholicism attracts you? Why would you give it a consideration?

In addition to what I said? It’s also sensible and reasonable.

I dont know if you remember me or not,

Of course I remember you Dolphin.

no ‘feelings’ towards others other than your daughter.

Not everyone is bubbling over with emotion or with compassion and empathy for others. That doesn’t have anything in the world to do with Satan.

 

[Arnoagns]

I feel a little bit of aggression coming from some of you, let’s keep this polite. Now, as for me not spelling the name right sometimes, it’s just a mistake. I’m tired and sick hah. LaVeyan is pretty tricky , I have difficulty spelling it usually.

Also, to the member that said loving everyone was against Satanism, eh. Love those who deserve it, everyones innocent until proven guilty, you deserve love if you’re innocent. See how that works out?

 

[bbarrick8383]

I feel a little bit of aggression coming from some of you, let’s keep this polite. Now, as for me not spelling the name right sometimes, it’s just a mistake. I’m tired and sick hah. LaVeyan is pretty tricky , I have difficulty spelling it usually.

Also, to the member that said loving everyone was against Satanism, eh. Love those who deserve it, everyones innocent until proven guilty, you deserve love if you’re innocent. See how that works out?

Proven guilty or innocent of what?

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Faith is the realization of what you hope for and believing of the unseen. If your so called “religion” does not include faith then is is not a true religion. Our faith comes from knowledge but knowledge is not a prerequisite to faith. The revelations in the Holy Bible with testaments from different people and the teachings and traditions that followed are the ingredients that cooks up faith to what had been and is. Therefore, your knowledge that had been advance by the progression of man’s intellect gave you the power to rationalize, grants you a choice of what you want to become and what to believe. It is just a matter of choice then, for us it is the Word of God, while you prefer to desist. There is really not much to discuss because we already know who you are and what you want to believe and all we can do is only to offer you the Word of God. Good luck to your soul.

LaVeyan Satanism is a philosophy, not necessarily a religion. As I’ve said before, I’ve recently begun to see Christianity as more of a challenge than a requirement into heaven.

Chrisitianity is not for everyone.

Ironically Yours.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Proven guilty or innocent of what?

In general. LaVeyan Satanists love and respect people who return the favor–people who are nice people, basically. If they do something that is offensive or even unforgivable (which I think is impossible), they cease to respect that person who wronged them… it’s kind of like a human mirror, now that I think about it because that “Treat others the way you wanted to be treated” doesn’t seem to work for some people.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

hey Satanist, when are you coming out of the closet?

… Dude, are you serious?

 

[Swan]

Well, Satan does mean adversary, BUT according to Theology and religious texts his name is Lucifer and Lucifer means Bringer of Light. In fact, usually Satanists refer to him as Enki, or EA. They choose Satan for clarity and better understanding of who in fact they’re talking about

Theistic Satanism believes in God(some do) but not as a powerful one, they believe him in one of the rather lower classes of Godhead. Once again, Satanism has a lot of different beliefs that wrap around a main theme, that’s why there’s more than one version of it. So I could be way off and lmryl could believe in something totally different than what I just said, but what I stated is believed in some groups of Satanism.

I really like LaVey’s work - I’ve read every book - some several times. We used to get the Black Flames too, but after he died and Blanche had to move, things went into flux.

I’m kind of in the middle of you and Imryl. I’ve always believed in the supernatural, so I guess I don’t qualify as an athiest. I belive there are powers out there, but I don’t believe in one supreme personal type “GOD”, which rules out belief in the Judeo/Christian Satan as well. I’m very pragmatic, which I think most Satanists, as well as most occult/left-hand path based believers/practitioners, are. If something makes my life better for me, it gets my vote. I’m interested in demonolatry as well.

Names can be powerful, which is why LaVey chose Satan. These entities/energies have various names in various cultures and times. I know that some some left-hand path folks, after a time, generally find that naming the entity/demon/whatever they work with is not always necessary; it is really various energies that are tapped into and the names used for it are our own concoctions and conveniences.

As for motivation for good deeds, after much thought I have concluded that we all do things that benefit us. I sometimes give money to homeless folks. It makes me feel good. I do social justice work - I find it fulfulling. See where I’m going with this? Generally speaking, Christians do good deed because they feel God wants them to and/or because they believe they will be rewarded sooner or later. So there is a benefit - a selfish benefit, if you will, to these acts of good will. I’m not trying to be ugly here, but I think if one is honest with oneself and honestly examines their motivations the bottom line will be that we get something out of it - even if it just makes us smile. There’s nothing wrong with that at all - it’s human nature. I just think that with most religions it is the carrot and stick approach. At least that’s how it was for me (ex-Christian). Hey, at least I can see things from several points of view based on experience.

LaVey was a big animal lover and that’s another thing I agree with him on. I might be something of a misanthrope myself.

 

[Layman]

I had a grim notion about Mr. LaVey recently.

Suppose the barker for Satan was himself tricked?

Satanists have their own ideas about their ‘religion’. Suppose their infernal master hears these and laughs?

I read funny-desperate story in a book about witchcraft recently.

This girl was doing well with it, getting what she wanted, until the Devil himself appeared to her as a big hairy man, and gave her a terrible fright.

What did she do?

Reached for a crucifix and pray fervently to Jesus. Exit the Devil.

When someone asked her why she didn’t then give up witchcraft on the spot, she said ‘I don’t like the Devil but I like the benefits’.

See, these people think they’re the clever ones. We’re the ignorant superstitious weak peasants worshipping the ‘pale Galilean’,

No one easier to trick than a proud intellectual. For proof, look at all those people who get bilked by fraudsters. A lot of them are professional people.

Just gotta appeal to their baser instincts and they’ll be Hell-bound in no time.

 

[LilyM]

I really like LaVey’s work - I’ve read every book - some several times. We used to get the Black Flames too, but after he died and Blanche had to move, things went into flux.

I’m kind of in the middle of you and Imryl. I’ve always believed in the supernatural, so I guess I don’t qualify as an athiest. I belive there are powers out there, but I don’t believe in one supreme personal type “GOD”, which rules out belief in the Judeo/Christian Satan as well. I’m very pragmatic, which I think most Satanists, as well as most occult/left-hand path based believers/practitioners, are. If something makes my life better for me, it gets my vote. I’m interested in demonolatry as well.

Names can be powerful, which is why LaVey chose Satan. These entities/energies have various names in various cultures and times. I know that some some left-hand path folks, after a time, generally find that naming the entity/demon/whatever they work with is not always necessary; it is really various energies that are tapped into and the names used for it are our own concoctions and conveniences.

As for motivation for good deeds, after much thought I have concluded that we all do things that benefit us. I sometimes give money to homeless folks. It makes me feel good. I do social justice work - I find it fulfulling. See where I’m going with this? Generally speaking, Christians do good deed because they feel God wants them to and/or because they believe they will be rewarded sooner or later. So there is a benefit - a selfish benefit, if you will, to these acts of good will. I’m not trying to be ugly here, but I think if one is honest with oneself and honestly examines their motivations the bottom line will be that we get something out of it - even if it just makes us smile. There’s nothing wrong with that at all - it’s human nature. I just think that with most religions it is the carrot and stick approach. At least that’s how it was for me (ex-Christian). Hey, at least I can see things from several points of view based on experience.

LaVey was a big animal lover and that’s another thing I agree with him on. I might be something of a misanthrope myself.

So if a woman takes a bullet for her child - or for someone else’s - she’s doing it for selfish reasons?

When my father, a doctor, treats people visiting his town, who don’t say thankyou, don’t pay their bills and who he never sees again, he’s also doing it for selfish reasons?

Of course he feels fulfilled by such patients :whacky: In reality he probably feels like I do when clients skip town without paying MY bills. In other words the opposite of fulfilled, instead ripped off and perhaps wondering why he bothers … except that deep down he knows it’s the RIGHT thing to do, not the easy or fulfilling thing.

As for ‘believing in a higher power’, that’s fine, I guess you can’t call yourself an atheist.

But for those who subscribe to a basically Catholic view of the cosmos (as Imryl seems to) where Satan has no power except that which is permitted to him by God, the question is still why bother?

I’d no sooner worship Satan than I would myself or another human, or any other mere creature. Worship rightly belongs only to the creator.

 

[Tomster]

Greetings,

I am a new member here and am a LeVeyan Satanist. I believe in tolerance and I’m here for intellectual conversations about religion, nothing more. We’re not as harmful as we sound, not even close. And though our beliefs are different I know we can get along just fine. If you do wish to flame me, insult me, curse me to the depths of oblivion, or anything else, remember I am still a child. Well, essentially, technically a teenager. But not an adult, none the less.

DON’T try to convert me, that is a step too far, even if you have righteous motives they’ll be in vain. Here’s to looking forward to many conversations. Cheers,

Arnoagns

Thank your for reply. Appreciated!

It is interesting that in your original post you claim to be a Satanist and, then, in your reply you state that you do not believe Satan is an entity. You sound very confused.

Consider the word Satanist. The suffix “-ist” means 1) a person who does, makes or practices; 2) a person skilled in or occupied with, an expert in; 3) an adherent of, believer in.

Are you aware that it is impossible to believe in and not to believe in someone or something at the same time?

Since you are an admitted Satanist, perhaps you can clearly define what you mean by the word Satan.

 

[Little_Mary]

I . I’m not trying to be ugly here, but I think if one is honest with oneself and honestly examines their motivations the bottom line will be that we get something out of it - even if it just makes us smile. There’s nothing wrong with that at all - it’s human nature. I just think that with most religions it is the carrot and stick approach. At least that’s how it was for me (ex-Christian). Hey, at least I can see things from several points of view based on experience.

You may have a point here, Swan. But if, for most people, with religion, it’s the “carrot and stick” approach, as you say, it’s because of lack of depth in their faith.

Deepening spiritual life is nothing anyone can do for you, so I wouldn’t blame the religions. The individual must make that effort himself.
Like a parent (the church) encouraging a child (me) to eat his vegetables (deepen my spiritual life), only the child can actually chew it up and swallow it.

Just a thought

 

[Jesus_rules]

ive never acually thought that someone could really be so stupid as to worship evil. what good could possibly come of doing the exact opposite of what you’re supposed to? I honestly feel soory for you all - i dont want you to rot in hell for all eternity. i hope you will turn back to christ.